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10 Dec 2009, 6:17 pm

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In addition, Tony Attwood, in his 2006 Book The Complete Guide to Aspergers Syndrome, posited that adults with AS have a higher likelihood of suicide than the neurotypical population due to feelings of being "alienated, socially isolated, and not understood."

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I read that as well, it kind of figures.

I meet some people who get pretty heavy about suicide, and who say some of the things I've read here, about it being selfish, egocentric or whatever. I know that some people who get depressed can sometimes start feeling very bad, but can reason with themselves that suicide is not the thing to do.

But when someone starts actively thinking about suicide, or even decides to go through with it, it's because that ability to reason has gone. So, in my limited understanding, it's maybe not helpful to pummel that person with even more blows to their self-esteem. Why does someone get to a point where they genuinely believe that dying is better than living? To discredit mental torment and suffering as a possible reason for that is to deny the human experience. Mental suffering can be something much greater than physical suffering.

I've tried to kill myself. Two other members of my family have tried to kill themselves. Two of my friends succeeded in killing themselves, and I know of others. I'm glad I'm still alive. I'm glad it didn't work. But it does sting a little to be accused of cowardice. I was ill, very ill. What I really needed when I was feeling that bad was for someone to actually understand what I was going through, to support me and to help me feel like life was worth living somehow. Not to re-confirm my own opinion of myself that I was a complete loser.

I think I see where someone is coming from if they say that suicide is cowardly or selfish. But I don't agree with it. To me it's not a wise thing to do, but it's not a matter of cowardice or selfishness to be thinking about it - it's normally a response to incredible pain and desperation. People who are thinking about it, or who attempt it, need love not rejection.

That's just my opinion though, and everyone's entitled to one, especially the people I disagree with :)


Also, contrary to popular belief suicide isn't easy. It's a frightening prospect. People who attempt to kill themselves are either in incredible pain or are mentally impaired in such a way they their normal human fear of death is missing.



10 Dec 2009, 6:23 pm

I heard at I2 that doctors have said it's the wiring in the brain so some people are able to commit suicide and others are not able to do it.



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10 Dec 2009, 7:12 pm

I was only six the first time I attempted suicide and I still struggle with it to this day. I don't think people should be judged so harshly that they are selfish or ego-centric, etc. It's usually people who are rather sheltered themselves who tend to think this way. It's obviously tough on those who are left behind in these situations but in most instances it was something the individual needed to do for themselves in many cases. If you are of no benefit to yourself, how can you be a benefit to others? My life was saved and it was a miracle I survived when I was nineteen as well. I had no one who really even cared in those instances and every person's case is unique. I'm just clinging by a thread much of the time but I refuse to give up. It's even more stacked up against you when you're stuggling with something like an ASD.



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10 Dec 2009, 7:18 pm

Spokane_Girl wrote:
I heard at I2 that doctors have said it's the wiring in the brain so some people are able to commit suicide and others are not able to do it.


Wiring in the brain? I don't think so.



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10 Dec 2009, 9:42 pm

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Is it true that there tends to be lower incidences of
suicide amongst people with AS?
Did you read this somewhere?


Yes I read it in sev eral places - when I locate the sources, I'll post them



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10 Dec 2009, 9:47 pm

[i]"That's weird that you think that OP. Considering how many threads in The Haven section read something along the lines of "cant live anymore" or "I'm going to kill myself" (and this is not to say I haven't or would end up doing my own suicide thread one day) you would think that maybe the suicide rate among aspies would be bigger and like one person said, the rate could be higher when you consider the number of people who are undiagnosed that have committed suicide...."[/i]


Yes but there is a marked difference between saying "I can't live anymore" and not living anymore. There are plenty of forums and usenets which discuss suicide. In fact I can think oif one in particular where people actively discuss methods etc. Many a person on that site will say "I'm going to kill myself now" and then a week later they are posting again.



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10 Dec 2009, 10:24 pm

josie24 wrote:
[i]"That's weird that you think that OP. Considering how many threads in The Haven section read something along the lines of "cant live anymore" or "I'm going to kill myself" (and this is not to say I haven't or would end up doing my own suicide thread one day) you would think that maybe the suicide rate among aspies would be bigger and like one person said, the rate could be higher when you consider the number of people who are undiagnosed that have committed suicide...."[/i]


Yes but there is a marked difference between saying "I can't live anymore" and not living anymore. There are plenty of forums and usenets which discuss suicide. In fact I can think oif one in particular where people actively discuss methods etc. Many a person on that site will say "I'm going to kill myself now" and then a week later they are posting again.




And I find that annoying so that's why I don't take those suicide threads seriously and they don't get my sympathy. I get so sick of it.



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10 Dec 2009, 10:34 pm

I'm sorry I even posted in this thread. It's counterintuitive and just plain stupid.



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11 Dec 2009, 2:15 am

For those that would like to explore this topic further (though not strictly aspie related), watch "The Bridge". It's a documentary about suicides off of the Golden Gate Bridge. A crew set up cameras for one year and filmed something like 2 dozen jumps. They interviewed friends, family and the one guy who survived. He said the second he let go of the railing he regreted it but it was too late. The film crew would always call 911 if they thought someone looked "iffy" & did prevent several jumps. But many happened so fast there was no chance to help.

It's probably the heaviest movie I've ever seen. It came out a few years ago. They play it on IFC once in a while.



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11 Dec 2009, 2:32 am

The idea that suicidally depressed people can separate from depression and calmly deliberate the sensible thing to do seems a little silly, to say the least. The nature of depression is that it warps your thought processes & perceptions such that suicide can seem like a good idea: i.e. family will be relieved of the burden you are and will quickly forget that you're gone, and your pain will be relived too, so "everybody wins" -- or at least that's how it seems if you're depressed enough.



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11 Dec 2009, 3:03 am

Higher.

I'm sure it's less than the normal population for those with HFA (traditional)/LFA though, as the indifference to social and emotional attachment and fitting in is quite a bit less (in other words, they'll be happier obsessing over things they like by themselves than the person with a more...social outlook).



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11 Dec 2009, 4:49 am

I don't want to be rude, but actually anyone posting here have not committed sucide, the OP asked about sucidal rate NOT suicidal thinking rate. There is a big difference between the two, I know a lot of people who think about suicide everyday, I also know that they'll never do it really.


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11 Dec 2009, 5:56 am

People with AS are more likely to develop depression and also the majority of people with AS are men who are generally more likely to commit suicide anyway.