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02 Jan 2010, 4:41 pm

Can someone with an iq like that succeed in college?What are the expected achievments??What are the difficulties he will face???Can he even go to university???



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02 Jan 2010, 4:57 pm

I'm not sure IQ means anything. I could read and tell time when I was 3 years old, I could do my multiplication tables through twelve when I was 4, and by the 3rd grade I could read on a college level. Guess what my overall IQ was when I was tested at age 9? 100. Right in the middle of the bell curve. So IQ tests are worthless. IQ tests measure the ability to take IQ tests, and nothing more.



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02 Jan 2010, 5:00 pm

Possibly. It would take lots of perseverance though.


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02 Jan 2010, 5:17 pm

I think some are able to. But I don't think you have a IQ of 80 Chief.


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02 Jan 2010, 6:58 pm

I dunno. Depends on interest and talent, like for anyone; with an autistic person, you can't tell because they might be specialized in some academic area and breeze through college, or be specialized somewhere else and not get through college at all even if they tested out as bright. Thing with college is, if you get a degree in an area where you're specialized, it doesn't matter how good you are at other things. IQ is an average; and if your 80 IQ autistic is specialized in one area, he might be scoring at the 90th percentile in one thing and the 5th percentile in something else and end up with an overall IQ of 80. If he goes to college to learn things that depend on the 90th-percentile abilities, he's probably going to do just fine.

If you're talking NTs, things are different because their skills tend to be closely grouped. 80 is in the normal range, though; you'd generally expect an NT who tested at that level to be a C student in high school, assuming he is in a normal program rather than career training (where he could probably get straight A's). I can see community college, or a four-year degree taken slowly. But even NTs have strengths and weaknesses, and one might assume that when they do what they're good at, they can benefit from specializing nearly to the degree that autistics do, especially if they are good at something that isn't measurable on an IQ test (social interaction seems to be a pronounced strength for many NTs).


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02 Jan 2010, 7:03 pm

I do not know. I would say that iq is just one factor among many that would make a person able to, or not able to succeed in college. To be honest, I am not sure how important iq is anyhow in determining such a thing. I hear that an iq or 50-69 is considered mentally ret*d but teachable, so if you only go by iq and standards set around that, then yes, a person with an iq of 80 should do fine enough as they are well above what is considered 'teachable'.

I have a subscription to this psychology magazine. The one before the most recent one had this article in it about what is 'normal' anymore... is there a normal? I was pleased to read about a woman who, as a young person, was tested and her iq was somewhere in that whole 50-69 range and no one had much faith in her abilities. She graduated college and excelled in her classes. She is the president of her own company today and makes easily a six figure annual income. She showed them, huh? :wink:


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02 Jan 2010, 8:57 pm

My IQ was officially measured at 143. The reason for this, I believe, is my ability to see patterns in pictures and words. Also I love to solve problems. However I am a high functioning (to MFA but that isn't an official diagnosis as of yet) autistic and cannot live independently or go to university without a lot of support. I think IQ is a general indicator of success, for example, the average person with an IQ below 70 is considered (from what I know, please correct me if I am misinformed) to be far less likely to get into college and have a high paying job than a person with a 100+ IQ. I think that there are many exceptions so please don't let averages and social standards put you off.


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02 Jan 2010, 9:47 pm

University is more about personal organisation than intellectual ability. You'll find that most of the A students are hyper-organised rather than smart. I've met plenty of intelligent people (all NT) who flunked their GCSEs and spent the following five years of their lives getting wasted on drugs and alcohol. I am fairly sure that any one of these people would outperform the average model student on a straightforward intelligence test.



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02 Jan 2010, 11:58 pm

I've got an IQ of between 90-100 and I wouldn't want to go to college or university. For one the workload and homework would be too much to handle. It would be hard to do my work with all the noise in the classroom. My poor short term memory wouldn't make things easier either.
I did go to a TAFE college, which is a college that helps you find an average job, and I never got very far with their computer courses because of mild dyslexia, poor comprehension, and the workload was too much.
Although the last course I did at a very small media training school I did ok because I put in extra studying hours and had a genuine interest in the subject.

So IQ isn't really important, but if you've got an ASD it could make things a bit more difficult.


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03 Jan 2010, 4:57 am

my psychologist told me people with iq that low are not prohibited to go to college and can but he told me they won't "fly"...



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03 Jan 2010, 5:00 am

My IQ was measured at about 80, same as you, but I am getting good grades on my English GCSE. I can speak about 5 languages (key phrases only though!), can navigate the whole of Britain without a map and taught myself to play the keyboard/organ! IQ doesn't work on people on the spectrum because the results are too varied. I am incredibally intelligent, incredibally stupid and average according to my IQ scores! Always do what YOU know you are capable of and never let one little number ruin your potential.


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03 Jan 2010, 5:03 am

i am not talking about varied results
lets say an iq of 80 on the raven's progressuve matrices



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03 Jan 2010, 5:34 am

I take care of many people who are low IQ for my job, so I know many who are right at the 80 range. 80 is about the cutoff for low spectrum. While certainly everyone will warn that you cannot tell much from IQ, and they are correct, IQ still does have some value. And I would say that from all the 80s that I know, they would all need at least some help in college. That being said, however, my IQ is absurdly high, but I still needed help in college because I couldn't interact socially. There is a lot more to college than just going to class like high school. Now, needing help is not a problem, any decent college and all major ones have help for those that need it. Tutors and councilers are there to be used as long as you are open an honest. Colleges are more about keeping their enrolled students in than they are about weeding out. Public universities are both interested in money and graduation rate, and private in money and accolades, as a broad generalization.


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03 Jan 2010, 12:20 pm

What your psychologist meant by "they are allowed, but it won't fly" is that there are no official restrictions based on IQ. They don't test you upon entering. To set official guidelines regarding IQ would be seen as discriminatory, and student unions would likely fight it (not to mention the right to privacy issues involved with testing students).

High school grades are seen as a far better indication of academic skill than an IQ test. It is generally assumed that people with IQs of 85 and under would not be able to meet the competitive GPA requirement for University entrance while in high school. It's a way of screening out those who would not be able to perform the University-standard work. A person who scored an 80 as a fluke, but acheived straight As or Bs in high school could still enter University.

It's true that students with learning disabilities or below-average IQs would be able to pass a high school course if it is "modified" (they take out the 'hard' parts of the course to make it easier to pass). I don't know how things are where you're located, but in my area, post-secondary institutions have thought of this. Universities and colleges in my area won't admit any student who has a modified credit on their high school transcript. They would have to re-take it at an adult education centre.