Lived Self-Diagnosed, then Confirmed not to have AS

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10 Feb 2010, 3:28 pm

Hi BrooxBroox and another welcome. This is a really interesting thread. What if what happened is that, because you read about autism and understood what was going on in your head, and having a lot of intellectual ability you were able to deal with the autism so well that you can pass for normal?

I resisted for years any suggestion that I might be AS, but when someone finally put a book in front of me and said "read this", I wished it was around when I was fourteen. Nowadays I've no idea if other people would think I was AS or not but I wouldn't want to prove it to anyone - way too humiliating. If anyone who actually spent any time with me said I seemed normal to them it'd be a huge confidence boost, and I think that's the way you should take your undiagnosis. WELL DONE YOU. Good luck with your studies.



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10 Feb 2010, 3:57 pm

OP, you story sounds exactly like why I will not go in for a diagnosis. I am comfortable with the fact that I am somewhere mildly on the spectrum and yet I know that I am not "impaired" enough to get a diagnosis. That's what defines whether you have a disorder or not to the medical community. How "impaired" you are at functioning "normally."

I think its possible I may have been able to be diagnosed if I had gotten assessed as a child. When I was much more detached from reality - in my own world - unable to make eyecontact, had inappropriate emotional response (crying for strange reasons that I still can't properly describe to this day, absense of fear, absense of grief, tendency to analyze the situation rather than worry about it, absence of familial attachment), selective mutism, highly attached to inanimate objects, inability to process non-specific instructions/needing unusually high amounts of systemizing and structure, general disinterest of connecting with people...

Anyway my point is I was much more "impaired" as a child but when it got to the point where I had to get out there and take care of myself, I learned to cope. I force myself to look in people's eyes (well, to all appearances I do anyway. I actually look at an invisible glass wall a few inches in front of their face), I force myself to hold conversations (by removing my mental filter and saying whatever comes to mind which gets me into additional trouble.. but if I stopped to filter, I'd never say a thing). I force myself to take an action in a situation where the steps are unclear (after panicking about it for a good while). Etc.. I think I appear rather normal. I have gotten incredulous reactions when I mention autism from all but my mother and husband (aka the people who know me intimately as opposed to superficially).

Maybe I don't have it, maybe I'm "cured," who knows? To that I say, "Who cares?" Certainly not I. I've expressed several times on this forum that it is enough for me to identify with this community and learn and share experiences. I don't need a label.



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11 Feb 2010, 3:43 pm

I don't feel particularly impaired by having AS. I'm socially awkward and I have sensory issues, yes. I also have chronic insomnia that leads to all kinds of disabling problems. and I miss most of the supposed non-verbal communication that goes on. still, if the spectrum brain is physically different than the NT brain and manifests itself across a spectrum of different qualities/behaviors, then diagnosing according to disabling qualities alone will always exclude those who've learned to function through analysis and practice rather than by whatever it is that makes most people good at non-verbal communication.

I've been to many, many professionals for depression. no one looks past that if you're an adult female. they just give you drugs. I made appropriate eye contact, so I could not have AS. that's what I was told when I brought it up. well, I don't have clinical depression and I do have AS, so professionals aren't infallible.



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11 Feb 2010, 4:17 pm

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She said I read body language, made eye contact too well, and communicated what I was feeling too well to even be on the high end of the autism spectrum. Instead of AS, I was just diagnosed with Generalized Anxiety Disorder and put on Lexapro, and the medicine REALLY did help me function better.


She has ticked me off. AS is a developmental disorder. Development is impaired, not impossible. A person with AS can still read body language, make eye contact, and communicate feelings well enough if they figure it out, though they'll likely figure it out later than others.

Sorry if this was already brought up. Too tired to bother with reading all pages of the thing.



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11 Feb 2010, 4:56 pm

so with aspergers they couldn't sell you any meds and without they have you on lexapro? shrinks drive me nuts.



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11 Feb 2010, 6:02 pm

There's also the whole thing with depression and anxiety being a comorbid of AS, it's possible perhaps you have GAD and AS?? As it's already been suggested in this thread, a lot of psychs seem to go waaaay overboard with just handing out pills to cure X, Y and Z without bothering to go deeper into the root causes in the first place!!

Anyway, all I was going to suggest really was this; have you ever applied the DSM criteria to you past as well as your present? Does the AS 'profile' fit you as you are now, and also as you were when younger? Can you cite some examples of something, like say a sensory overload that you experienced when you were a kid, basically, if possible it might help if you wrote out something like this (or even better, if you can talk with relatives as they may be able to help remember your childhood and how you behaved, and indeed any odd behaviour that stands out in their memories)

And another thing, were you diagnosed by both psychs after just one visit or did you have to see each professional on more than 1 occasion? I'm asking because if the assessment was made after just one visit, this seems a bit abrupt, when I had my assessment I had to go back to the psychologist for 3 visits before she gave me the official diagnosis of mild Aspergers, in other words she wanted to get to know me a little better before going through my past, the DSM and then making the diagnosis.

fwiw I'm also female and she said she found it quite difficult to diagnose me at first, but by the 3rd visit she was quite certain. Thing is, I've read a lot of books on Aspergers since, and that one does come up time and again that us females are better at hiding it. To be honest, I'm darned good at faking 'normal' for a while when outside, but when I come home and I'm safe again I run about the house on my tip toes and get all excited every time I see 'plat-plats' (herring gulls) outside, so yeah, I suppose in some ways going 'to see the doctor' makes me take the 'formal me' out of the box, and formal me tends to act as 'normal' as possible.
It's like the personality version of wearing a suite!!



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12 Feb 2010, 8:54 am

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OP, you story sounds exactly like why I will not go in for a diagnosis. I am comfortable with the fact that I am somewhere mildly on the spectrum and yet I know that I am not "impaired" enough to get a diagnosis. That's what defines whether you have a disorder or not to the medical community. How "impaired" you are at functioning "normally."


+1

I believe that I have AS from all the symptoms I've noted. That I've learned to cope with it well enough to pass for "normal" is a pro and a con as there are times I wish I could slap on the "disabled" label and have people understand why I struggle with some things as I do.

Still, I see no gain to being Dxed formally. Add in the risk of an improper Dx that might get me labeled and denied things I would normally enjoy if there was no formal label, and I'm just not inclined to rush to it.

What I like about WP is that if there is ever an objective test (MRI or such) that PROVES that you have AS/autism or not, this will be the place I'll hear about it first. I don't need some whiny guy/gal trying to "practice" medicine telling me that I do or don't have AS. I need a fairly foolproof objective test that leave little to interpretation or bias.



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12 Feb 2010, 1:52 pm

Wow, you're seriously complaining about NOT having Asperger's? I have it (as in, I WAS DIAGNOSED BY A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL) and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

Self-diagnosis is BS. Most of the symptoms of Asperger's/autism can be applied to other conditions or can simply apply to "I have no social skills." And to the self-diagnosed people: You are the reason why so many people think Asperger's syndrome is made up. Just because you're socially awkward does NOT mean you have Asperger's. You are almost as obnoxious as the people who claim their kids have ADD because they can't pay attention.

By the way, Asperger's is just high-functioning autism. Try being a special snowflake now. Image


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12 Feb 2010, 2:51 pm

I took that quiz twice this week and both times it said it most likely have AS. I have not been formally diagnosed yet as i just found about AS this week and don't have health insurance but i am going to try to get an official eval i think.

*edit* i misread the title of the thread. i have not seen a doctor so i have not been confirmed to have it or not have it, oops.



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12 Feb 2010, 5:12 pm

You can probably visit 5 different doctors and recieve 5 different diagnosis regarding this. It is still very much debatable what is what even at the top of the field, let alone some random diagnostician. So while not getting the "wanted" diagnosis is probably a bit of a shock i wouldn`t worry too much about it until they sort the definitions and criteria in the first place and maybe try again later if you wish.



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12 Feb 2010, 7:25 pm

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Wow, you're seriously complaining about NOT having Asperger's? I have it (as in, I WAS DIAGNOSED BY A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL) and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

Self-diagnosis is BS.
if I hadn't self-diagnosed first, I would never have been diagnosed by professionals. it's not like qualified adult autism specialists are laying around accessible to the people who need them.

my son and I have had far more erroneous diagnoses than we've had accurate ones. some of the inaccurate ones have led to much suffering for both of us. I've spent years incapacitated by prescription side effects for drugs I didn't need for conditions I didn't have.

professionals have been stuck on "depression" most of my life. last year I finally had a very expensive test that revealed I'm not depressed.

my son was diagnosed bipolar at the age of 11 and put on antipsychotics that turned him into a zombie. I just got custody back, got him off the drugs and had him reassessed and he's not bipolar, he has AS.

and yeah, AS is autism. so what?



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12 Feb 2010, 8:37 pm

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Wow, you're seriously complaining about NOT having Asperger's? I have it (as in, I WAS DIAGNOSED BY A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL) and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

Self-diagnosis is BS. Most of the symptoms of Asperger's/autism can be applied to other conditions or can simply apply to "I have no social skills." And to the self-diagnosed people: You are the reason why so many people think Asperger's syndrome is made up. Just because you're socially awkward does NOT mean you have Asperger's. You are almost as obnoxious as the people who claim their kids have ADD because they can't pay attention.

By the way, Asperger's is just high-functioning autism. Try being a special snowflake now. Image

ADD is concentration difficulties. You probably don't believe in it so therefore I have no time for you.

I was also self diagnosed PMDD and almost took my life over it because the doctor wanted me to come back in 2 months to see if I still had the symptoms.


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12 Feb 2010, 10:37 pm

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I don't feel particularly impaired by having AS. I'm socially awkward and I have sensory issues, yes. I also have chronic insomnia that leads to all kinds of disabling problems. and I miss most of the supposed non-verbal communication that goes on. still, if the spectrum brain is physically different than the NT brain and manifests itself across a spectrum of different qualities/behaviors, then diagnosing according to disabling qualities alone will always exclude those who've learned to function through analysis and practice rather than by whatever it is that makes most people good at non-verbal communication.

I've been to many, many professionals for depression. no one looks past that if you're an adult female. they just give you drugs. I made appropriate eye contact, so I could not have AS. that's what I was told when I brought it up. well, I don't have clinical depression and I do have AS, so professionals aren't infallible.


it's interesting how ignorant many in the medical professions are re ASD's.
regarding eye contact....my nephew is diagnosed HFA - has had speech delay which is now catching up (at 5) and is CLEARLY on the spectrum. No doubt about it to all who meet him.
He also has eye contact. and i mean EYE CONTACT - way beyond my capacity. It is ridiculous how frequently clinicians use this as the main marker for the presence or absence of an ASD. :roll:



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13 Feb 2010, 10:30 am

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Delirium wrote:
Wow, you're seriously complaining about NOT having Asperger's? I have it (as in, I WAS DIAGNOSED BY A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL) and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

Self-diagnosis is BS. Most of the symptoms of Asperger's/autism can be applied to other conditions or can simply apply to "I have no social skills." And to the self-diagnosed people: You are the reason why so many people think Asperger's syndrome is made up. Just because you're socially awkward does NOT mean you have Asperger's. You are almost as obnoxious as the people who claim their kids have ADD because they can't pay attention.

By the way, Asperger's is just high-functioning autism. Try being a special snowflake now. Image

ADD is concentration difficulties. You probably don't believe in it so therefore I have no time for you.

I was also self diagnosed PMDD and almost took my life over it because the doctor wanted me to come back in 2 months to see if I still had the symptoms.


I know ADD exists, considering my younger sister has it. I just think it's annoying how it's become a trendy diagnosis

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Delirium wrote:
Wow, you're seriously complaining about NOT having Asperger's? I have it (as in, I WAS DIAGNOSED BY A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL) and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

Self-diagnosis is BS.
if I hadn't self-diagnosed first, I would never have been diagnosed by professionals. it's not like qualified adult autism specialists are laying around accessible to the people who need them.

my son and I have had far more erroneous diagnoses than we've had accurate ones. some of the inaccurate ones have led to much suffering for both of us. I've spent years incapacitated by prescription side effects for drugs I didn't need for conditions I didn't have.

professionals have been stuck on "depression" most of my life. last year I finally had a very expensive test that revealed I'm not depressed.

my son was diagnosed bipolar at the age of 11 and put on antipsychotics that turned him into a zombie. I just got custody back, got him off the drugs and had him reassessed and he's not bipolar, he has AS.

and yeah, AS is autism. so what?


I think that diagnosis of something like AS should be done by a medical professional, like every other mental disorder. I can't stand how everyone and their grandma claims to have it because they took the "Do you have Asperger's test" or because they think it's cool. It waters down the definition. I'm actually happy that AS is classified as autism now because a lot less people will claim to have it.


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13 Feb 2010, 1:53 pm

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These people sound like a bunch of elitist 'Aspergians' that think they are the next evolutionary step in the human race.


They should write a book with that being part of the plot! XD

BrooxBroox, you might still have it. Even if you don't, we'll still want you here! :P
I'm not diagnosed, either. I don't know if I "officially" have it.



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I think that diagnosis of something like AS should be done by a medical professional, like every other mental disorder. I can't stand how everyone and their grandma claims to have it because they took the "Do you have Asperger's test" or because they think it's cool. It waters down the definition. I'm actually happy that AS is classified as autism now because a lot less people will claim to have it.


At first, I was going to comment on your anger. Then, I realized, I have similar feelings. I have now experienced, first had, the effects of so many people claiming to have it. I have dealt with rudeness, cruelty, and disbelief because it's said to be the "trendy" diagnosis. I was told that Aspergers is something people claim to have so that they can be rude while claiming to be intellectually superior.

For me, Autism/Aspergers isn't an excuse or an advantage...