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09 Mar 2010, 11:53 am

I'm not in the US, but if I was, I'd move the [] out the country before they could catch me. If they did get me, I'd kill myself before they could cure me.



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09 Mar 2010, 12:47 pm

The only problem here is that once we do get officially diagnosed we are then medically labeled for the rest of our lives. If you are teenager or in you twenties that runs for the next sixty years. Your choice depends on how you predict conditions are going to be. If you think they are going to be benign then it's OK . If you think there may one day be a pharmocracy, run by a small economically powerful group who enforce medication and related regimes, or a non democratic Eugenics Party then perhaps you would no want to be diagnosed and labeled and take that chance.

Also it depends how comfortable you feel with your state of consciousness as it is. I have grown to like mine and do not wish to change. Nor do I want to alert any government health care or other agency to my condition because I do not totally trust them. They have a big record of screwing this sort of stuff up, and they swing in and out of care policy . If they decide against community care, again, and start rounding us up I do not want to be put into secure environment from which I will want to escape.

If you do wish to change and they can genuinely change you to be what you want , then there is no problem.



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09 Mar 2010, 1:03 pm

I'd fight, and keep a poison tablet in the back of my mouth, so if they caught me, I could kill myself rather than take the cure.


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09 Mar 2010, 3:02 pm

Cure, in what regard, pre or post birth?
I may ask how anyone would think this possible post birth but for the sake of argument, least say it's possible. Considering that I was exposed as a child to some nut job doctors who seemed to think that I was somehow defective and could be cured, I would class any "cure" as hostile act and would respond as if trapped by any other means, this would be translated in to violence and mild obsession, a crime of that I am most guilty, in regard to my past tormentors.



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09 Mar 2010, 6:12 pm

Well, at my house there are at least 15 guns and and boxes and boxes of ammuntion, and I can't imagine trying to move and learn a new language (Britain is obviously out of the question, the way the legislation is in that country I imagine this would crop up there first). So, I guess you have your answer. If they went that far, obviously the time for being concerned how that would affect public opinion is long past.

But, thankfully, I don't see this ever being something but a hypothetical situation.

Edit: Also, the mention of Obama and health-care reform was completely unnecessary, unfounded, and makes this into a sort of political statement (and no, I did not vote for Obama).


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09 Mar 2010, 6:14 pm

EngishForAliens wrote:
If I had an autistic kid I'd make sure they got the cure. Then I'd fight the power, they would have to hunt me down like a dog.


Why would you make your child get something that you would fight that hard to avoid yourself?


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09 Mar 2010, 6:48 pm

Cure me or shoot me in the head, I don't care which. :D



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10 Mar 2010, 3:09 am

I would refuse a cure. Legal action would almost certainly strike down any hypothetical "compulsory" treatments, especially ones that extreme.

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Well, the healthcare reform can only go into effect in states that don't nullify it. State law trumps federal law, and there have been plenty of states talking about nullification of the healthcare reform. With 50 states I'd imagine at least one will. I'd just move to one that nullified it if I wanted to avoid any conflict.

No, we finished the nullification debate a couple hundred years ago and federal law always trumps state law. (US Constitution, Article VI, Clause 2) What states have been talking about nullifying healthcare reform, and how is it that they are completely ignorant of the past couple centuries of legal precedent in the United States?

Must be Southern states.


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10 Mar 2010, 3:46 am

Umm ... the Supreme Court has determined that competent persons have a constitutionally protected liberty interest in refusing unwanted medical treatment. Several cases have covered this, but it culminates in Cruzan v. Director, Missouri Dep't of Health, 497 U.S. 261 (1990). Thus, unless you are going to either a) change the Constitution to take this right away; or b) declare all autistic people incompetent, which would have to be done through individual hearings that are expensive and time-consuming because constitutionally a person cannot simply be declared incompetent and have his/her liberty taken away on a whim, we are not going to be forced into a cure.



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10 Mar 2010, 10:36 am

Orwell wrote:
Must be Southern states.


Normally I would take offense to this, but since I just got done reading about how the Georgia state legislature is looking into replacing the Georgia Dome (stadium for the Atlanta Falcons) while cutting $385 million from the state university system's budget, I can't really disagree.

Just remember that politicians are the same all over the nation and the world.


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10 Mar 2010, 11:53 am

Katie_WPG wrote:
The situation is too far fetched.

First of all, wouldn't the government want to save money on health care?

Why would they force treatment on adults that are considered to be autonomous persons (as in, they do not have a person as their legal guardian), especially if they aren't requesting any therapy or accomodations? What if the person is already a contributing member of society? Why would the government waste the money on rounding people up when those people could be going to College/University or working?

In the case of socialized medicine, there would actually be a higher probability of rejecting you for therapies and radical treatments that are deemed to be unneccesary. If you're capable of walking, talking, using the bathroom on your own, feeding yourself, and going outside without being arrested or dying, then you would have to pay out of pocket for any further treatment.


That's what I was thinking too. I dont see our government forcing autistics to take a cure unless the ideals behind the evils of autism become extreme (like autistic people commit more murders and such). I dont see America taking that extreme though.

Now if you're a kid and you got close-minded parents who insist that the only thing good for you was a cure without looking into any other options or seeing how your mind will develop...well...best of luck to ya!



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10 Mar 2010, 12:09 pm

pat2rome wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Must be Southern states.


Normally I would take offense to this, but since I just got done reading about how the Georgia state legislature is looking into replacing the Georgia Dome (stadium for the Atlanta Falcons) while cutting $385 million from the state university system's budget, I can't really disagree.

Just remember that politicians are the same all over the nation and the world.


Politicians do tend to represent a somewhat distorted version of the people they serve. Blame the people of Georgia. What you're talking about wouldn't fly in Massachusetts.