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26 Mar 2005, 6:07 pm

Are you afraid of lying ? I am often afraid of lying. I do not mean I am scared of lies like Christopher Boone but that I kind of need truth and lies confuse me. It is also applicable when other people tell lies because except if they are obvious lies, I do not see they are lies.
This leads to the fact that I am silent in class if I am not totally sure of the answer. So if the teacher asks the question to me suddenly, I am surprised and confused and I can not think right and I do not know if the answer I think about is right so I will not say it.
Do you have ideas to make things easier ?


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26 Mar 2005, 6:43 pm

To be true to myself, I as a HFA person tend to not want to wear
a mask. This is my weakness. is it also yours? I say this because
when you don't know how to answer a question, you cannot conceal
your feelings about it, and live with yourself. This is strictly observational,
and I may be reading more into it.



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26 Mar 2005, 6:48 pm

I think I probably am, because I know myself to be overly honest to the point where it often sprouts misunderstandings and misdemeanors in school.



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26 Mar 2005, 7:02 pm

Being honest and it's social placement value. The first person
could not dishonestly answer, or "makeup a answer". I really don't
know if they are AS or HFA.
The 2nd person is saying that they are as honest as I am. I don't
know if you are HFA? did you have a learning(speech or otherwise)
that caused a social delay, or made schools work with your strengths,
and weaknesses?
The real question is about the "Social" mask that hurt us all when
done by others. We as AS/HFA folks cannot tell lies since we
have to see through honesty of ourselves, and express it to others.
I really don't know how to solve this and can only conjecture the possible
solutions through other AS/HFA peoples experiences.

ANY IDEAS?????



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26 Mar 2005, 7:13 pm

mmm, when I was about 16 (duh), I finally figured out that everyone just lies and lies and lies, so I thought ok, I'll have a go, if that's the usual thing, but people just burst out laughing at my 'lie', it was so obvious. I had a few more tries but it was always the same, so I thought that since I'm so hopeless at lying, I'm stuck with being truthful. I like to think all sorts of spiritual merit goes with that, but maybe that's just wishful thinking. If I could lie like NTs, I would.

One of the things you have to realise is that although it may seem a 'bad' thing, people are just protecting themselves from the over-inquisitive, or those who would use any knowledge of them, to do harm, so...that's what makes us vulnerable too. Inability to present a false front makes you an easy target, because that false front is a shield.



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26 Mar 2005, 7:38 pm

[although it may seem a 'bad' thing, people are just protecting themselves
......that's what makes us vulnerable too]

Would you say Postperson that this is job performing weakness as well
since we do not wear masks for "Social Shielding"?



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26 Mar 2005, 7:42 pm

I find it incredibly hard to complement someone just to make them happy, regardless of whether what im judging is good or not.

I can tell when other people are lying though.



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26 Mar 2005, 9:16 pm

I'm afraid of lying amongst several other things, including saying certain things because of karma.



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26 Mar 2005, 9:18 pm

Ghosthunter, I have problems with your english, I don't know if u r a native english speaker, but you need to use more conventional english, otherwise you can't be understood.



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26 Mar 2005, 10:41 pm

I am a very good liar. Thing is I almost never lie. I dont like to. I seem to be very blunt yet deceitful (sp?) if that makes any sense. I can explain if it doesnt.



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26 Mar 2005, 11:43 pm

I'm afraid of lying until I actually lie in a given situation; afterwards it becomes second nature for that situation.



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27 Mar 2005, 4:13 am

I can't lie very well so it doesn't really count...



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27 Mar 2005, 8:27 pm

Postperson wrote:
mmm, when I was about 16 (duh), I finally figured out that everyone just lies and lies and lies

Strange, this is contrary to my experience. I can't recall anyone ever lying to me (disregarding white lies on unimportant subjects, of course). I try not to lie, because I value honesty and dislike breaking my own rules. I don't think that I would be a good liar, because even attempting it makes me uneasy.

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Inability to present a false front makes you an easy target, because that false front is a shield.

I don't understand why having a "false front" would be a good thing. I always thought otherwise...



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27 Mar 2005, 9:02 pm

I hate lying and often get into aggro for it - I will never compliment anyone to ingratiate myself when I think the compliment is undeserved for example (in fact I hardly ever compliment anyone at any time, and fard it very hard to do so, but anyway....). I just prefer to be completely honest and to damn the torpedoes.... I just don't have the inclination or energy it takes to maintain the web of lies it seems that you need to construct in order to be a successful social operator in the NT world.....


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27 Mar 2005, 10:41 pm

I'm not very good at lying...

If I think a woman looks mannish... I'll say so... If I think a woman looks perfect... I'll say so...



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27 Mar 2005, 11:00 pm

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I am a very good liar. Thing is I almost never lie. I dont like to. I seem to be very blunt yet deceitful (sp?) if that makes any sense. I can explain if it doesnt.


I know exactly what you mean. That's how I am. It's like I know I can be very deceitful, almost like a con-artist. Yet, at the same time I never do and am often too honest for my own good. I can't quite explain what it is though; it's complicated.