Jesus and autism

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Uh, no. Most of us do NOT have either gluten intolerance or allergy. A few do, but then, so do a few NTs. Statistically, there's no more of that on the spectrum than off it.

They do make gluten-free communion wafers for seriously allergic people, though for most people with celiac that small amount would not cause damage. I'm not Catholic, though; my (less traditional) church would probably just improvise with rice cakes.

I love Jesus. He allowed us to have autism, because he accepts individual differences.

Well isn't this topic kind of opening a can of worms? Anyway, if you ask if Jesus had autism, you need to specify what kind of Jesus you mean.
- Do you believe Jesus is the son of God, or more precisely, the avatar of God?
- or do you mean the historical Jesus, who may or may not have been a mortal man?
- Do you mean the real Jesus, or Jesus the way he was protrayed in the bible? (as Aimless pointed out, there's bound to be tons of misquotes and mischaracterisations) (But of course, it would be pointless asking for the "real" Jesus then, cause he himself never wrote anything down.)

Or just transubstantiate the world and everything in it. If it's good enough for de Chardin!

Actually, for the record, my true belief is any "god" worth his/her/its salt would have gotten over this gender concept, don't you think?

Merle

This one is confusing, Michael_Stuart. How does a belief in evolution encompass the Adam and Eve conjecture? And Satan? Honestly, I never heard about the concept of a Satan in my biology classes.

Merle

Even is Jesus was "NT", he wouldn't treat us like s**t like a lot of NTs do. I don't think we can diagnose Jesus.

Jesus was not autistic, but he totally understands what being autistic is like since he is the Son of God.

I believe that there are so many facets to God's being, that autism is one of them. The Bible says that every human being is created in the image and likeness of God, that we are all perfect in his eyes. God does not make mistakes!

That reminds me of Joseph Campbell´s "Hero of a Thousand Faces" where the hero after returning from his journey where he found enlightenment finds it hard to return to his ordinary life and to his fellow citizens. In his words "The full round, the norm of the monomyth, requires that the hero shall now begin the labor of bringing the runes of wisdom, the Golden Fleece, or his sleeping princess, back into the kingdom of humanity, where the boon may redound to the renewing of the community, the nation, the planet or the ten thousand worlds. But the responsibility has been frequently refused. Even the Buddha, after his triumph, doubted whether the message of realization could be communicated, and saints are reported to have died while in the supernal ecstasy."

So the hero is always somehow separated from the rest of the society after experiencing the moment of "higher understanding" that his fellow men cannot comprehend. Think of Moses after receiving the Ten Commandments and the trouble he gets to integrate that wisdom into human life. The hero after his journey has difficulty in returning to the ordinary life so might be seen distanced from society.

Here is another passage "The returning hero, to complete his adventure, must survive the impact of the world. Many failures attest to the difficulties of this life-affirmative threshold. The first problem of the returning hero is to accept as real, after an experience of the soul-satisfying vision of fulfillment, the passing joys and sorrows, banalities and noisy obscenities of life. Why re-enter such a world? Why attempt to make plausible, or even interesting, to men and women consumed with passion, the experience of transcendental bliss? As dreams that were momentous by night may seem simply silly in the light of day, so the poet and the prophet can discover themselves playing the idiot before a jury of sober eyes. The easy thing is to commit the whole community to the devil and retire again into the heavenly rock dwelling, close the door, and make it fast. But if some spiritual obstetrician has drawn the shimenawa across the retreat, then the work of representing eternity in time, and perceiving in time eternity, cannot be avoided" The hero returns to the world of common day and must accept it as real."

Jesus to Campbell represents the transcedental hero who achieves balance between the spiritual and material world. The person who has become comfortable and competent in both the inner and outer worlds.

I like these books .

Jesus had brilliant interpersonal skills ? By whose standards?- so that's why he "annoyed" so many people pointing out their obvious individual and collective stupidity ? The stupid got so annoyed they got the invading military regime to publicly execute him, the local leader of which actually tried to refuse to execute him, but the dominant economic/ political/ religious class insisted.

Sounds an ultra-Aspie way to go, if you ask me.

Same thing happened to this Greek bloke few hundred years before when he tried this, but not on that scale.

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Well any sort of religion requires somewhat toying with facts when they contradict your scripture. I'm not religious, but I don't think evolution and Christianity are incompatible. If you want to stick to the Bible as though it's the gospel..oh wait. Well anyway, I'm sure there's people that believe that God created the world/universe, and then life developed conform the Theory of Evolution.

Personal theory, incorporating insights from Enneagram personality typing and and and and and:

I am a green monkey as a somewhat Aspie 5w4. Forget my social contact deficits - fact is I can communicate and understand, but it really only works with a restricted group, nearly all 4 and 5 and 7. Other do not hear me, there is no resonance; some of them I cannot even see - I literally have blank spaces in my memories where I KNOW there was a person in the room who made NO impact.

By my thinking, Joshua Bar Joseph was a very queer fish, a universal green monkey because NOBODY really got him, and universally accessible because lots of people than and later related to him, all in different ways. I am figuring he had that which is probably impossible to replicate in the normal adult, a psyche so balanced that he could inteact with anybody and matched nobody.

As for Aspie traits - we are told he needed to get off and recharge in isolation, but I at any rate am not clear enough on the critical mind features to put him iin or out with any confidence.

i am sure he will tell you if you ask him direct...and politely

Sure, I think most people believe in theistic evolution. But not Adam and Eve. We know our ancestors were ape-like creatures, and their ancestors were other mammals, and so forth. Adam and Eve would have had to have parents, the whole garden of eden would have to be only a metaphor, etc. There's now way this could have factually happened.




But does he really do that cause he needs to? Isn't that just some ritual to show how pious you are?

Your man went and sat in some deserted place for quite a while to think things through, might not have been a ritual/ rite of passage per se. Also John the B , locusts and honey walkabout for long time, might have been in hiding, but that big solitude really focuses your thoughts, or it drives you crazy, or both.

Quite like idea of consistent desert diet though, chick peas would be nice thrown in.

Jesus, if he existed in the way it has been written in the bible, spoke and spoke with confidence whereas most autistics only speak like that if it's a serious issue. I'm pretty sure if he existed he was the kind of guy that accepted everyone for who they were, and just because the "real christians" defile his name by doing dumb stuff like using unsavory words and treating everyone but the people who follow that religion as unequals that need to be converted, doesn't mean he was a bad guy, if he existed.