Any connections with strabismus and apergers?

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novawake
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13 Aug 2006, 1:23 am

I have an eye condition known as strabismus, which I believe to be neurological. Similar to a type of palsy, I can't control my left eye really well and tend to pull it too hard when I move it. As a result, it goes in and I have crossed eyes. In the last 2 years I have had cosmetic surgery to make the muscles in that eye less strong so I don't pull it as hard and my eyes are much straighter now.

Anyhow, I just in the last week discovered that I most probably am an Aspie too. I took some of the self assessments and got the normal high scores so I'll probably try to see if I can get offically diagnosed. It's pretty expensive to do so right? 0.o

So I just was curious, are there any relations between the two? Are aspies any more or less common to get these types of problems? I was reading on some aspies have physical therapy when they are young to help coordination? I definately did... I remember it wasn't fun... :P Apparently I kept bumping in to things and couldn't walk on a straight line and the like. Right now I'm just fine however, I even used to take martial arts and did ok. Since strabismus is a type of muscle/control thing, it just got my brain going and thought maybe some people here might know.

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13 Aug 2006, 4:24 am

It's unlikely that strasbismus has a particular AS connection, as it is very common in the population as a whole: About one person in thirty.

It has a higher frequency in certain groups, such as in Down's syndrome, and in those born prematurely. Strabismus is not one entity as it can result fom several different eye or brain problems, from damage to one of the ocular muscles (forceps delivery of a baby, for instance) to having two eyes of such different refraction that the brain cannot fuse the two images.

Most people who have had a squint from an early age have few practical problems, optically.
Acquired strabismus can be much more troublesome, leading to persistent double-vision.
Difficulty with eye coordination short of strabismus is also much more of a problem, more frequently. Very often one eye happy on the job is better than two eyes arguing about it.

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13 Aug 2006, 8:20 am

yeah i wouldnt want to disagree with an optometrist but your saying things thta do add up sto aspergers for me.
i mean a lot of aspies have a history of a difficult elivery at birth, hence forceps and strabismus, im aspie and i have a crooked eye.
squints in aspies can ne seen ifrequently as a stim and this acquired strabismus?
and aspies are clumsy and get into trouble doing everyday chores so a level of sub clinicla strabismus may br associated with aspieness?

any other overt cross eyes aspies?



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13 Aug 2006, 6:12 pm

I had a difficult birth too. I was like more than 2 weeks late and has a C-section birth. It's amazing all the little thinks that add up to aspergers. I even had the physical/voice therapy and the works. I seem pretty normal now, except that most people that meet me seem to think I'm a little slow or something... Little do they know that I have a 135IQ :P



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13 Aug 2006, 6:13 pm

my eye guy said it was from using one eye that has better vision more, so the other one with bad vision that you are not using drifts to the side. I had the surgery in june of 04, and it was *really* bad. Like so far to the side you could only see about half the colored part.

I don't think there is any correlations between it and asd though. Lots of people have it.

And getting checked for asd won't be nearly as expensive as the surgery was. If your was the same as mine, it was nearly 5k.



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13 Aug 2006, 6:24 pm

If your surgery didn't go too well, you might think about having it tweaked. But its a tough choice. I was so nervious just to have it done just once.

I went to a place in mexico if you can believe it, in tiajuna.
The place is called Codet Aris I think. Pretty cheap, only 2500 I believe. I had a 70 diapter defect and now it is only about 8-10 diapters



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14 Aug 2006, 6:42 am

i had the surgery too mine was about 2000 dollors i think, it was when i was about 6 or 8 years old i was put under general anastesia (spelling) when i woke up (it was outpatient surgery) when i would open my eye i would see like a puke colored greenish yellow. i also had an iv in my arm and was s sick to stomach feeling from the gas and throat was sore because they passed a tube down my throat. i also couldnt take a bath or shower for 10 days after i got out and my eye was hurting after i got out.

the surgery itself fixed most of the doublevision but i still have it with small things (such as the typing in posts)


i also have nearsightedness in my left eye and wear glasses. because of the minor doublevision i dont think i will ever drive since i cant find the center of left side of lane since americna cars drive on right side of road (i drift) and i dont want to try to explain to police about the "drunk driving" about my eye problem due to as.

i have a feeling that strabizmus is caused by the fine motor tone and since the oculer muscles are small muscles they develop slower and they might not develop at same rate as everything else.


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14 Aug 2006, 8:25 am

From reading the boards I get the impression that there is a connection between AS and really poor eyesight. My vision is -6.5.

I don't know about strabismus.



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14 Aug 2006, 10:45 am

I was born with alternate convergent strabismus (squint).
I've had six operations to try and correct it and I can't have any more as there is too much scar tissue.
My left eye is "lazy" and my glasses have a prismatic lens so that my eye is directed back inward. I have no depth perception (no 3D vision), see double all the time, +2.00 for the left eye and -2.00 for the right.

Of interest neurologically, I had an eye condition when I was a baby, it was called spasmus nutans. This is where the eyes "shake" from side to side, like a sort of nystagmus.

I find it amazing how people's eyes differ and how they cope.



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14 Aug 2006, 12:45 pm

en_una_isla wrote:
From reading the boards I get the impression that there is a connection between AS and really poor eyesight. My vision is -6.5.


Sorry, I can trump that. My left eye tops out at -14.25. The best meridian of the right eye is only -7.00,but climbs to -10.25 with the astigmatism.

Only one or twice a year do I test the eyes of anyone with a worse refraction than mine.



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14 Aug 2006, 12:50 pm

I had ambliopia when I was a child (I had an operation when I was around three). I'm not quite sure if it's tied with Asperger's, however.


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14 Aug 2006, 11:05 pm

I see 20/20 in both eyes with correction, however I basically have constant double vision.

But since I've my eyes have been crossed since I was little my brain alternates between eyes and does suppression. It might sound nice(compared with alternatives), but alternating can play havok with my concentration sometimes. Like right now, I'm looking at a bright monitor and thinking about my eyes, so both of them are fighting for control, switching back and forth... I have enough control to make them both work at once but but my brain has a really hard time of figuring out what I'm seeing(so basically I don't see much detail). If I'm really tired, or drunk, I'll sometimes see double of an object sitting in front of me. But if I reach for it, usually I'll pick an eye by then and correctly grab it... wierd huh? Just me trying to describe it feels weird, so I imagine reading this feels wierd. :P

They occasionally work together sometimes, but that is pretty uncommon for me. However, since the surgery they seem to work together a little bit more than they did.

My mom works for an eye doc as a tech and she told me the technical name for me is an: Alternating-et... I forget what the ET stands for however... :/



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15 Aug 2006, 1:23 am

novawake wrote:
the technical name for me is an: Alternating-et... I forget what the ET stands for however... :/


Esotropia, probably, if your eyes are crossed, though in the UK that's usually shortened to SOT, rather than ET. The opposite, with the eyes divergent, is exotropia, XOT, (XT?)



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15 Aug 2006, 12:03 pm

[quote=" If I'm really tired, or drunk, I'll sometimes see double/[/quote]

yeah we all do.

only happens to drunk aspies thou



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31 Jan 2011, 11:48 am

I realize this is an old post, but I have some new evidence.

i was looking for the answer to this question on Google and this forum popped up first. Interesting, since I am self-diagnosed. I had my parents fill out the CAST, since it didn't exist when I was a child. It wasn't all that helpful, but they mentioned the strabismus (which didn't jibe with their answers about my having no issues with eye contact) - and I thought about the therapy I went through at a young age to learn how to hold my eyes together.

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Research shows that about half of individuals with autism spectrum disorder diagnoses evidence an eye turn, called a “strabismus.” This statistic is astounding when compared to only four percent of the population in general with this problem.

Link to PDF (Asperger Digest): Strabismus: High Incidence in Autism



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31 Jan 2011, 12:04 pm

There might be. I have both, with strabismus also being in my left eye.


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