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MrsProulx
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07 Jun 2010, 8:56 am

what would have been (or was) most helpful in teaching you to live independently in a mostly NT world? I'm a teacher of a 21-year old man with autism and I am struggling with writing his educational goals. Especially after reading posts here, I am wary of how much of school is trying to "change him" vs. teaching him. My overall goal is to teach him information and skills that will help him be as independent as possible. I've seen several threads about being told that you are rude or disrespectful; would it have been helpful to learn what kinds of things you say or do that might be considered rude or disrespectful? Is there something else that would be important for him to try to learn in the 6 months of school he has left that I am not thinking of at all?



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07 Jun 2010, 9:32 am

Mrs P,

I don't know if this thought is helpful but I'll try to see if I can keep it short. I've been thinking in terms of functionality, and what works. What I mean by that term isn't working toward functioning like an NT, but working on skills that bring the person to a level of competence and functionality that suits their individual traits. If a person is extremely introverted and intraspective they may be very functional without a great deal of people skills. Someone with different needs, gifts and drives may need to connect with people more deeply to be functional, not because that kind of connecting is necessarily superior, but because it suits them. I'm sure this is no new concept, but I've been trying to evaluate goals that we can set with my son through that kind of grid. Lots of people are rude, but make a good living because they have technical skills that are valued enough that people put up with more social awkwardness and a certain degree of rudeness.



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07 Jun 2010, 10:18 am

It depends on what his goals are. If he wants to pursue higher education he obviously needs academics but even if that's not the case he is going to need to know how to function with people and practical skills like time management and cooking (needed help with that... :D).


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07 Jun 2010, 11:16 am

It sounds as though your student may be a little less fortunate than I am, with regard to real-world functionality. However I do empathize with his position (and your observation) of the school's agenda of "changing" vs. "teaching to work within". I completely agree with you, that to teach him to integrate and function with his existing abilities is the way to go. I'm 43, and have been basically on my own since age 17. My whole school career was filled with "forced interaction" with peers, and that did nothing but worsen my fear of social situation, and further my awkwardness.

I'm not a teacher, and I trust that there are many other criteria to be considered by the teacher of an Autistic or Asperger's student than I could pretend to advise on. I will say, that the most important thing to me, would be to have learned the ability to respond to, and deal with, total body language illiteracy, and and extremely poor personal communication in general. If your student is anything like me, he will appreciate having a few things in his back pocket to be used in any variety of social sticky places, and in confrontational situations in real life. If he will need to earn a living by career, maybe try to find what he excels at doing, and/or enjoys, and go from there. I was fascinated with radios and TV sets since I was a toddler, so my first career was as a TV repairman. The reason I'm mentioning this, is that although I was as severe a social klutz as one could imagine, I was bold and confident within my sphere of interests. Hence, I had a much easier time interacting with TV repair customers than with people in general. Second, and at least as important, is that I was never taught the fundamentals of finances in school. It sounds goofy, as you would expect a somewhat intelligent man to be able to handle money. I had to learn the hard way, after squandering about $1 mil. of assets inherited (and not in a trust), when I was 18. It's more than just knowing how to write a check... I had that one down pat. The fundamentals of economy, and managing money, would have served me very well. If your student is in a conservatorship, maybe this is slightly less important. If he's not, and he needs to manage his own finances, I hope you can help him to understand what money really is. Not looking to the future is a VERY common issue with Aspies; myself included. My wife is a financial genius, so I concede and I do not advise or interfere with our finances.

My high school experience was such a terrible one as a social outcast, that I dropped out after the first semester of 10th grade (Los Angeles public schools). Although a terrible thing to say about LA Schools, I feel that I have a better education than most anyone with whom I would have remained in school, and graduated. I love to study (ALONE), and later earned an honorary degree from UCLA in the history of broadcast technology. (Honorary due to technicality of no HS diploma.) Later, I took the GED at the hounding of friends, and I passed it in the highest score, with only a couple of hours brush-up studying. Other than adding another piece of paperwork to my bulging file cabinet, I only did that as yet another endeavor to counterfire against friends and advisors who urged me to "better myself". It was indeed comforting that with a GED, I could then go to get a job a Walmart if I ever felt the urge to take a pay cut, and interact with 1000s of rude people.

Most everything I've succeeded in doing, resulted from my ability to believe in myself, and to refrain from being talked out of (or into as it may be), various careers. Friends had beaten the drum at me "steady job with retirement and medical insurance" for a decade or so while the field of TV repair was declining in demand. I accepted a job as my friends would think best for me, in the electronics testing lab at a small defense subcontractor in Los Angeles. I made that last for 3 years, and there was great pay, etc... But I hated the repetition and the interaction with others in the lunch room. I knew after one year, that it wasn't for me. However, in fear of ridicule and belittling from friends and advisors, I stuck it out for the balance of the 3 years. At that time, I met my wife, who owns a farm in Southern California. She wasn't operating the farm; just had it as a land investment. After we knew each other for a couple years, we married, and now we run the farm together. Alone at last!! !! And 100% happy, and earning a fair living. Now I only see people on MY terms, and when I want to be alone with my wife, it's OK. Nobody to tell me that I'm missing out on life because I'm not among crowds, and nobody telling me I need "a steady job with retirement".

With all that said, sorry for wearing out your reading eyes... I know I wrote you my life story in a nut shell, but maybe if one part of it could make a suggestion for your student, I would be happy to have been able to help you. Just to mention; my wife is a former Special Ed teacher from the Dallas public schools, specializing in AS and Autism. She is also the one who finally put all the pieces together, and helped me to be properly diagnosed with Asperger's, and to dispell the wrong diagnoses of the past (everything from depression to paranoid schizophrenia). As a special ed teacher, you never know whose life you may change for the better, and very significantly so! On behalf of those in the position I was in during school years, Thank You for your attentiveness, and your time spent finding and posting on this site. Now I'm out of time, so I can't go back and proofread all this mumbo-jumbo, so please excuse any errors.

Charles



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07 Jun 2010, 11:54 am

Thanks for all those ideas. And thanks for mentioning finances; this student has met all the academic requirements, and so I was thinking of "soft skills," but realized I have no idea how he is dealing with money, and I'll have to investigate.



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07 Jun 2010, 12:25 pm

The most beneficial class I ever took was an On The Job Training class. I took it to get out of school early, but ended up learning skills that really came in handy.

Some of the lessons covered:

Proper handshake.
How to dress for an interview
How to write a resume
Interviewing skills
Things to do to be a good employee
Things you should NOT do at work
Public speaking