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07 Sep 2006, 12:03 pm

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there is no way anyone could make use of the knowledge of surgery outside the medical profession.




those glossy brochures, get me every time!


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07 Sep 2006, 1:42 pm

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there is no way anyone could make use of the knowledge of surgery outside the medical profession.




those glossy brochures, get me every time!


probably a good reason advanced education shouldn't be offered as free or at a discount with no strings attached. It becomes a hobby for spolied rich people to avoid work and cost society a fortune in the process.

My sisters yuppie town is full of a lot of college educated woman who never had a job in their lives, what a waste.



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07 Sep 2006, 4:28 pm

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I'm not aware of any school of thought that expects kids to be 'evenly gifted in everything they do'


Reading, writing, arithmetic, etc.. if you arent expected to be evenly gifted in all the subjects why do they all require that you correctly answer the same X out of Y questions to pass?


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07 Sep 2006, 5:57 pm

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Reading, writing, arithmetic, etc.. if you arent expected to be evenly gifted in all the subjects why do they all require that you correctly answer the same X out of Y questions to pass?


there are some basic subjects that inform others - reading, writing and arithmetic hardly exhausts the range of academic subjects -and kids need to spend time with different subjects to gain self-awareness of what their strengths and weaknesses may be

it's pretty simple really, I don't know why it's upsetting you so much


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07 Sep 2006, 6:28 pm

All Im saying is that a system tailored to shore up the kids weaknesses by going more slowly and giving more attention to those subjects and allow them to advance more quickly in their strengths would be beneficial while others are saying such a system would be undesirable.


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08 Sep 2006, 11:28 am

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If people like Donald Trump & Warren Buffet where teachers, I would have enjoyed school. But being held captive by silly liberals and having to humor their child like mentality wasn't the least bit pleasant. :twisted:

Warren Buffet is a liberal. Truly, primary and secondary public education is not a matter of the conservative-liberal political dichotomy. I do concur at least in that the schools should do more to customize the education to the individual student's pattern of talents, weaknesses, and interests although that would be quite costly. Right now, students learn science, mathematics, history, and more to understand the world they live in, prepare them for higher education and future careers, and help them to make informed, responsible decisions. Can you imagine what kinds of silly things voters would pass if no one but scientists knew anything about evolutionary theory or the Big Bang? Or if students didn't know anything about their country before they were born? Or if all the knowledge they didn't learn meant they never learned how to think abstractly (moreso than now)?

Your "liberal" education system is more practical than you think, Johnie!



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08 Sep 2006, 3:46 pm

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prepare them for higher education and future careers,


you sound like you are from white collar upper middle class and haven't a clue most of the population works jobs that a 6th grade education would cover.

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Warren Buffet is a liberal.


Liberals don't believe in making money, they believe anyone who does make it should be torn down and have the money taken away from them and turned over to lazy morons.

The stock market does better under domocraps because they put people out of work and the more starving labor around the lower wages businesses have to pay, so more profits for them.



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08 Sep 2006, 4:49 pm

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Liberals don't believe in making money, they believe anyone who does make it should be torn down and have the money taken away from them and turned over to lazy morons.

The stock market does better under domocraps because they put people out of work and the more starving labor around the lower wages businesses have to pay, so more profits for them.


And this my friends is the political equivalent of the urban myth :P


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08 Sep 2006, 5:25 pm

http://money.cnn.com/2004/01/21/markets ... demsvreps/

myth :?: :?:

CNN is a liberal news media for sure

this guy claims different, but does it by cutting out part of each presidents term which means the stock market has already priced in what to expect before the guy even starts to do his calculations. :roll:

http://home.comcast.net/~truthsucks/Dem ... arket.html

Buffet invests in consumer stocks that the little people spend their money on and he likes the news media telling the little people everything is just wonderful so they go up to Dairy Queen and fill Buffets pockets.

When the republicans are in the news media scares the hell out of the consumers the end is near Bush is going to ruin the country and they get all sorts of paranoid.

Even though I think the demodummies are bad for the country, I hope they take congress in November so people will start feeding on stocks again figuring another win in 2008 for the demodummies.

The economy crashed before clintoon ever left office, it was just the threat of Bush winning that tanked the market. It's all the negitive press while republicans are in office that does most of the damage. The doom & gloom news media drags down the economy under republicans and their lies about demodummies doing a great job pushes up the stock market by getting the sheep to think everything is wonderful and go on spending spree's.



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08 Sep 2006, 8:36 pm

Johnnie wrote:
http://money.cnn.com/2004/01/21/markets/election_demsvreps/

myth :?: :?:

CNN is a liberal news media for sure

this guy claims different, but does it by cutting out part of each presidents term which means the stock market has already priced in what to expect before the guy even starts to do his calculations. :roll:

http://home.comcast.net/~truthsucks/Dem ... arket.html

Buffet invests in consumer stocks that the little people spend their money on and he likes the news media telling the little people everything is just wonderful so they go up to Dairy Queen and fill Buffets pockets.

When the republicans are in the news media scares the hell out of the consumers the end is near Bush is going to ruin the country and they get all sorts of paranoid.

Even though I think the demodummies are bad for the country, I hope they take congress in November so people will start feeding on stocks again figuring another win in 2008 for the demodummies.

The economy crashed before clintoon ever left office, it was just the threat of Bush winning that tanked the market. It's all the negitive press while republicans are in office that does most of the damage. The doom & gloom news media drags down the economy under republicans and their lies about demodummies doing a great job pushes up the stock market by getting the sheep to think everything is wonderful and go on spending spree's.

No offense or anything, but it makes you sound pretty stupid to parrot back whatever Rush Limbaugh says. Politics has a lot of spin, distortion, and partisan holy lies to it; and anyone who takes the spin too seriously is a fool. If you really do want to discuss politics, learn about the issues and make a reasoned opinion instead of repeating other people's emotion-heavy but sense-light rhetoric.



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09 Sep 2006, 6:49 am

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stock market by getting the sheep to think everything is wonderful and go on spending spree's.

No offense or anything, but it makes you sound pretty stupid to parrot back whatever Rush Limbaugh says. Politics has a lot of spin, distortion, and partisan holy lies to it; and anyone who takes the spin too seriously is a fool. If you really do want to discuss politics, learn about the issues and make a reasoned opinion instead of repeating other people's emotion-heavy but sense-light rhetoric.


I wouldn't be offened by somebody on the internet :wink:

calling me a ignorant ditto head does nothing to support your point of veiw.Rush was entertaining for 2 or 3 times, but anymore than that it's like watching the same show over and over.Same deal with political radio junk, a few times is enough.

The fact is the stock market was tanking before bubba clintoon ever left office and the only reason the economy looked good while he was in office was because of advances in computers made the nation more productive, Bubba had nothing to do with it.

The democraps are big businesses wildest dream, the robber barons put their empires back together while Bubba was in office and now oil & railroads are enjoying record profits and the working stiffs record low wages.

Unlike the paycheck to paycheck peasants, the big money people play their game over many years and the big payoff's come years down the road. The peasants are playing checkers and can't see ahead 2 moves, the filthy rich are playing chess and planning thier game out. They have the peasants beat before the peasants even sit down to start playing the game.

The main stream media got you people so brainwashed it's funny.

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"If you are not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you are not a conservative at 40, you have no brain."


At 21 it never even entered my mind to vote for carter in 1980 :lol:

the liberals running the school system do a good job of brainwashing the students, but anyone with a brain figures it out after awhile that the democraps screw the population to no end.

Denocraps are for people who mooch off other peoples labor, like welfare deadbeats and government employee's that do next to nothing at their silly jobs and retire early,more like become ghost emplyee's, get a paycheck in their 50;s and don't have to go to their so called job anymore. Plus the union officials tell their members to vote for democraps because the more starving people around, the more the unions figure people will turn to them, so they can mooch off the workers labor also.

democraps are for the working class and the poor, they will keep them working and poor :twisted:



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14 Sep 2006, 8:39 am

^ Sorry, but your little conspiracy theory is just like most conspiracy theories.... that is, to put it most delicately... it bears a suspicious resemblance to the brown stuff humans produce in the bathroom. I know it's difficult for most sheltered whitebreads to believe, but for society to function, someone must do the actual work. There must be people to man the assembly lines, grow the food, cart away the garbage, pave the roads, and so forth, or society will quickly collapse. When these people cannot maintain an adequate standard of living on the paltry wages they receive, it bodes ill for the well-being of the entire society.

Back on the actual topic at hand...

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we have to learn how to learn, that's the point: the idea that kids should only learn things that are going to be useful to them when they grow up is, well, infantile, actually


Here's what's always puzzled me. As far as my own learning processes go, it's just a combination of rote memorization and the observance of cause/effect relationships. These capacities are innate to the human organism, and they have served me quite well for thirty years.

Now, with something like dyslexia, I can see why it would be a problem. When letters and words often appear flipped, out of order, or otherwise distorted, it would be difficult to learn to read... particularly if the same words were not distorted the same way each time.

But with other disabilities, I wonder if we're not making the whole issue unduly complicated. If they do not memorize the procudures and information they are taught... why? If they are not ret*d, do they have some sort of perceptual or visual problem, a memory deficit, or do they care so little about the subject matter that they simply do not bother?



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16 Sep 2006, 8:48 pm

Hazelwudi wrote:
^ Sorry, but your little conspiracy theory is just like most conspiracy theories.... that is, to put it most delicately... it bears a suspicious resemblance to the brown stuff humans produce in the bathroom. I know it's difficult for most sheltered whitebreads to believe, but for society to function, someone must do the actual work. There must be people to man the assembly lines, grow the food, cart away the garbage, pave the roads, and so forth, or society will quickly collapse. When these people cannot maintain an adequate standard of living on the paltry wages they receive, it bodes ill for the well-being of the entire society.

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Fact- Ted Kennedy gutted the enforcement provisions of the Reagan immigration reform bill.

Fact- Ted Kennedy got the trucking deregulation bill passed for Jimmy Carter to sign

Fact- John & Bobby Kennedy waged all out wage against the teamsters union

Fact- Bill Clinton had a democrap congress for the first 2 years he was in office and didn't do one thing for the working class, raised their taxes.

Fact- After Bill Clinton allowed the railroads mergers and oil company mergers to go threw they are making record profits. Beyond anything the robber barons ever dreamed of.

Fact- people lost more money in the stock market while Bill Clinton was president than was lost during the great depression. DOT.CON :lol: :lol:

John former working class truck driver, I had enough of the democraps screwing me to last me a lifetime. :twisted: :twisted:



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16 Sep 2006, 9:25 pm

How do you propose to explain laissez faire economics, then? That's the preferred Republican economic policy, and the only people who benefit from that are folks who already have more money than they know what to do with. The average worker just ends up screwed.



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17 Sep 2006, 7:09 am

What's wrong with a (( free market )) :?:

The democrats have distorted the wage market through the use of government handouts, so for those that don't qualify for the government handouts, it's like impossable to demand a living wage tying to compete for it against those who do get all sorts of handouts. Plus the flood of illegal workers Kennedy let crash the boarder.

The biggest killer of wages in trucking was government funding of the commercial truck driver training programs pumping out an endless stream of wannabee truck aimers.

There is no labor party anymore, the democraps are worse for labor than the republicans.

I volunteer to do taxes at my towns senior center, 1 40'ish white woman comes in to collect her earned income credit, she pays no income tax and gets a check for almost $4,000 from the IRS.
Her & her 15 year old son are somehow getting social security checks and her daughter is in college, she sure ain't paying for it on what she makes. She worked a retail job in CT. for less than $10.00 an hour. Probably got rent assistance and heating oil assistance and food stamps and God only knows what else.

She had a $50,000 a year lifestyle on a job that paid around minimum wage because of all the government handouts she got. Her employer doesn't have to pay a living wage because there are enough people around like her who can afford to work for chump change and do just fine on it.

To lift her up the democraps drag down everyone else, they drag down the worker earning some decent money by taxing the crap out of that worker to help out the woman down on her luck :roll: and they drag down the rest of the retail workers by helping that woman live on chump change.

The government has been trying to make things fair for how many decades ??

I was a self employed truck driver in the 90's and in the 47.8% tax bracket 8O That was off the top of my wages and than they taxes the crap out of me as I spent what was left and if I bought a house,car,boat or anything they could define as property, they would tax me yearly to own it :twisted:

47.8% :?:
15.3% social security tax
28% income tax on anything over $30,000 a year
4.5% state income tax
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47.8% :twisted:

That was on whatever I made after paying about $12,000 a year in taxes on the truck.

I could keep my income under $30,000 a year and fall into the 15% federal tax bracket plus social security and state income tax and only fork over 34.8% off the top of my income to the government.

My standard of living was lower than the above retail clerk with a kid at home and one in college.she had a less than 40 hour a week job and a aprtment to live in. I spend most of my time working and was living in a truck, like some sort of homeless person living in a car. The government had turned me into a slave to up other peoples lifestyle because I was politically incorrect being middle aged with no children, so they tax the living hell out of me.

I got tired of working 80 plus hours a week and paying like $15,000 a year in taxes, so I quit and the SOB's got $242.00 from me last year 8)

The only thing the democraps have done for the working class is tax them into poverty :twisted:



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17 Sep 2006, 11:29 am

The problem with your theory is this... lazziez faire economics insures that there are plenty of people who do indeed work hard, but who still simply cannot afford all of life's necessities on the paltry wages they receive. What about them? When their employers will not pay them a living wage, what then? Should we just throw up our hands and say, "Oh well, sucks to be you?" Even laying aside compassion for the moment, is that wise when they're often the ones who are growing the food, mining the coal, removing the garbage, and doing these other tasks which are essential for the maintenance of our society?

You are arguing about the tax burden on the middle class... a burden I've always considered onerous, as well. What I've always wondered is why the body of the tax burden cannot go to people who are most able to pay, ie the rich.