Sometimes I think it's the NTs that have a problem, not us.

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No, I was directing most of it at Remnant. Sorry to confuse you.

I get cranky when people on Wrongplanet start bashing NTs. I have one Aspie friend and several NT friends. To be honest, my NT friends are much more well-adjusted than the Aspie friend. I've never seen or heard of any of my NT friends tearing anyone down, fussing about appearances, or otherwise behaving as some people here say that all NTs act like. Just as I know that it makes them angry when people tease or otherwise put me down, it makes me furious when I hear people here say things like that because I know better, and I assume that people here are intelligent enough to realize that life is not black-and-white.

For the record, I have also been bullied by NTs. It never hit the level of physical attacks, probably because I created a reputation of inflicting extreme pain until left alone very quickly, but people routinely tried to humiliate me, especially in middle school. I was just smart enough to realize that not everyone in the world who wasn't just like me was just like them.

I'm probably one of the least politically correct people on earth, but damn, people.

Years ago I had a good friend who was ret*d. You think aspies get treated bad? You got no idea.

I think you should stop using their condition as an insult, as if they were just some wop, spic, honkey, n****r, or fa***t.

If you ain't gonna change, I hope I've at least jewed you down a little.

There's no reason you shouldn't hate those specific people; it's just not logical to assume that all NTs are like that. It's like hating all Muslims because a few of them think it's cool to run planes into buildings... even though it makes perfect sense to hate those few terrorists among the larger, innocent population. NTs are the same way: Some bad, some good. You'll miss the good ones if you assume they're all bad.

That's what prejudice is: You see one bad member of a group, or you see one bad characteristic of a group; and you generalize it to include all members or characteristics of that group. It's seeing people in a bad light before you've even met them.

Take NTs individually. If they purposefully ignore you, mistreat you, or hate you--forget them; they're probably ignorant and stupid. But don't judge them until you've given them a chance to show you who they are. Don't make yourself vulnerable--we all know Aspies are bully magnets--but be civil and see what they're like before you categorize them as the bad sort of NT.

Very well said Callista. I second that.

While Callista is right that you shouldnt judge them before giving them a chance you also cant assume theyre going to be the nice sort when the probabilities are so low.

I find maybe 1 in a 1000 worth my time?

You can either be optimistic about it "This person might be ok" or pessimistic "This person probably isnt ok" I tend to lean towards the latter.

Between NTs and Aspies...

A former school teacher of mine met my brother-in-law last year and said that I was the most intelligent student she had ever met (and she was in her 50s when she was my teacher).

I was quiet, an underachiever, but one thing that tipped it for her was a class project students did. We had to choose a project and fill out one of those small A5 books on it (80s thing in UK schools). They all did trendy things and socially appealing things. I (aged 14) did a book full of details on particle physics and theories about neutrinos and how the structure of electron shells determines the properties of elements.

NT's are glued together by the superficial social crap that television dictates to them.

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Edit: apologies, I'm not rational at the moment, building up for another seizure.

Best wishes to everyone.

Last edited by Torak on 15 Sep 2006, 6:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Interesting. When some snake oil salesmen rolls into town and tries to coax you out of your hard earned money for some miracle elixers from the back of his covered wagon, you argue that we should give them the benefit of the doubt.



And yet you think 999 of every thousand NTs (i.e. the vast majority of the population) are not even worth your time.

Those two statements don't seem to jive to me, but I guess we just think very differently.

*shrug*

Its because your comparing my statement that you shouldnt give up hope on non-prescription medication without trying it and my pessimistic attitude towards people

Two different kettles of dolphin.

And it does make a sort of sense when you consider the fact that Im primarily against prescription medication because like doctors the pharmaceutical companies suffer from a conflict of interest. They make more money by causing further damage than they do from curing your problem.

I dont trust them.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Pharmaceuticals giants make more money from treating problems then from curing them.

I'd not want to be cured from being me, although I'd like to say goodbye to the epilepsy.

Money rules though and looking at society... as a wise man once said:

"In any broth, the scum always rises to the top"

An excellent metaphor for modern society (excuse my cynicism, it runs in the family, *self deprecating smile*)

I totally agree with you there. The sort of thoughts that have revealed themselves in this thread are very much like those of a sociopath. Many sociopaths believe that people are cruel, mean-hearted, worthless beings and that they alone somehow transcend this, or that this gives them the license to 'respond' to their perceived cruelty in kind.

Like what I was implying before, if you allow yourself to believe that all so-called 'NTs' are this negative stereotype, you are doing yourself a disservice, and are hindering any chance that you could connect with others by isolating yourself from 99% of the population. Also, you may actually be showing outright hostility to others if you have these views, whether you are aware of it or not.

Quite a few of the views expressed in this thread are prejudiced and nasty. A sensible, intelligent person would not normally do anything like that.
The group you speak of are probably all average morons. They will most likely end up with a low paying job and generally trivial lifestyle.

Yes, popular culture does determine the way in which a lot of people think and act, and what they think about. Generally limited to NTs with lower intelligence or lacking their own mind.

The song "People Are Strange" by The Doors pretty much sums up my views on this subject perfectly.

I second that. I think we should just consider each person as an individual. Labels can be useful to understand oneself and find similar people, but outside of that they're just dangerous.

We are demoting them from the pedestals that they have placed themselves on.

In the end, it does not really matter whether it is the AS or the NT's that have the problem. The important thing is to focus on improving yourself and making yourself more effective in life. And that includes dealing with the circumstances that you live in, whatever they are.

I would like to be able to evaluate NT behavior truthfully without sounding like I'm condemning most of humanity. The apparent and real duplicity come from the fact that they are taught that certain behaviors are right and are for accomplishing benevolent goals, like lying to a suspected murderer to get a confession from them. That might seem acceptable, but then it devolves into lying to someone to get them to confess to crimes that they didn't commit or to get them to confess to crimes that are far too minor to justify such means.

There is also a deception and a dysfunctionality in working to base society on a crime and punishment sort of karmic balancing setup. What you have to have to make the punishment satisfy anyone is the kind of person who attaches their future state of being to that punishment in such a way that he or she will self-destruct if that punishment is avoided. This is a poor justification for putting someone in jail for years for deeds that should barely manage to annoy a person who has a well-balanced mentality. The people who desire for others to be punished and who cannot live without it being done have some huge problems and cause tremendous damage to other humans, other living things, and to society. Look at the people who are taking revenge on stingrays for Steve Irwin's death. They are damaging Irwin's cause that he dedicated his life to to avenge his death. To me, avenging his death would be accomplished by strengthening his cause. In other words, they should honor his life, not avenge his death.

"Crime and punishment" causes a society to bite its own wounds and tear them open much further. It prevents the necessary healing process. It inspires people to have contempt of the idea of becoming whole again, to literally believe that the destruction is better than healing, to follow mad paths down to total destruction, using much smaller "crimes" as a justification.

Even if we are talking about good people, when they get locked into these paths of destruction, they no longer function as good people. They function as criminals. We have good people acting as criminals and it's OK because they only act malicious? Do I get to excuse myself that way?