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27 Jul 2010, 2:20 pm

My ex had a trenchcoat he loved and he hated how people treated him and the assumptions they make of him. I think the problem was what he was wearing made them uncomfortable because they didn't know him so how were they to know he wasn't part of some gang or if he had a gun under his coat? But yet he continued wearing it. I never had a problem with him wearing it, I just hated hearing him whine about other people judging him and being afraid of him because of his coat and refusing to not wear it in public. I told him if he is not going to solve his issue I don't want to hear him complaining about people and his coat.

I unfortunately told him if it bothers him so much, don't wear his coat in public and he said "it was ret*d because it's part of who he is." I told him he can still wear it but only at home and around people he knows so he won't have that issue but he still declined. So I told him I didn't want to hear about it anymore since he refuses to fix his issue. Either he learns to not care or don't wear it around strangers. He has to pick but he has no right to complain and whine about people judging him or being afraid of him if he is refusing to do something about it when there is a solution to his problem and refuses to do that.



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27 Jul 2010, 2:24 pm

I used to wear huge winter coats in the middle of summer. It looked much like a trench coat, but insulated. I stopped wearing these types of coats because I got tired of people giving me sh*t for it.


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27 Jul 2010, 6:14 pm

Only a few people give me s**t for my dress.. I get a lot of positive comments as well as negative, and I have a fair amount of support on it as well.. its just some people, who keep persisting and wont give up trying to change me.

I see nothing wrong with wearing a trenchcoat.. I have a friend in the US who wears one a lot outside.

It would be so much better if people outside could stop complaining about my dress, but i know they arent going to.. so with strangers I just take any negative comments like its water off a ducks back.. I dont let it get to me.. I just wait for the next people that comes along to come and say 'Wow your costume is nice' or 'you look pretty' cos I get this kind of comment passed to me quite regularly.
I am one for wearing my dress indoors in my house too, either alone, or when Imusing my webcam - people love my dress, and wonder where it is, if there is the odd time I dont put it on!



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27 Jul 2010, 7:41 pm

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I'm from Florida, don't live there anymore though, but how could you walk around barefoot all the time? Fire ants are everywhere. And even if you managed to avoid those you are just asking to get hook worm or athletes foot doing that.

Also, dressing funny is a little different than not wearing shoes. Most places of business have a "no shirt, no shoes, no service," policy.


I am a bit of a nudist and totally hate wearing anything at all. If the world worked the way Flaggy wants it to, I should be able to go to the store with nothing at all on - let alone shoes and a shirt. But it doesn't. Some people don't object to seeing me naked, but others are deeply offended by it. Society says I need to be dressed appropriately for the location/occupation that I am in and so I do. It would be very 'narrow minded' for me to assume that my dress code is more important than the rest of the world.

Regarding your TB shirts, I think a lot of aspies are like you and me with that. I tend to to be more concerned with comfort and not fashion. I am willing to bet that when your TB shirts start getting holes in them and threads pulling out that you will eventually stop wearing them and move on to something else. Still, wearing TB shirts all the time might not get you on the cover of a fashion magazine, but I wouldn't call it weird or unacceptable. You are simply wearing them because they are comfortable and familiar to you.

As far as fire ants, I hate them and keep a good stock of Amdro to keep after them. The same is true of stickers in the grass. No problems with any kind of foot diseases. That is something only people who wear shoes get. I have a shoe bound friend who is always getting hideous nail infections and other foot diseases, while I go barefoot in the henhouse (full of manure) to collect eggs and never have a problem. I walk barefoot through the remains of a broken beer bottle on the sidewalk with no problem, my friend start bleeding just looking at it. Go figure.


My TB shirts all have small holes in them by now, but just a few centimeters across on the sleeve or down by the base. Once they start getting large holes I will certainly quit wearing them, but I will be sad to do so.

As for the bare feet, if you feel like risking hook worm and dealing with fire ants then more power to you. I prefer to be barefoot as well, but would never do so outside, as I dislike being dirty.


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27 Jul 2010, 8:15 pm

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My TB shirts all have small holes in them by now, but just a few centimeters across on the sleeve or down by the base. Once they start getting large holes I will certainly quit wearing them, but I will be sad to do so.

As for the bare feet, if you feel like risking hook worm and dealing with fire ants then more power to you. I prefer to be barefoot as well, but would never do so outside, as I dislike being dirty.


Aspies in general have a high degree of resistance to change. Change is very difficult for an aspie. I'm a pretty old guy and its still really hard for me. Its a symptom of aspergers and now that I know that, I have begun to accept reasonable changes, like throwing away old shirts.

I'm bad about jeans too. When they start getting holes, I start making short shorts out of them. I wear those commando when I am out in the yard. I can get a few more years out of them that way.

I have more neighbors now so I can't go outside naked any more. I seriously miss being able to walk down to the mailbox by the road to get my mail naked. I know this seems strange to some, but I totally hate clothes - especially loud and offensive ones.

As far as barefoot, staying barefoot most of the time tends to toughen the feet and make them more resistant to disease. Put on shoes and you have created the perfect environment for fungus to grow - dark, warm and moist.

Another advantage is that if you are outside in shoes and you step in some dog poop or something, you might not know about it until after you have made a track across your carpet. When you are barefoot, you know you have stepped in something offensive immediately as it happens. I usually head for the nearest faucet and wash it off.



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27 Jul 2010, 8:43 pm

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There is a MAJOR difference between walking around in a costume, and walking around naked though

Whilst it would not offend me to see somebody naked walking about, its inappropriate for children especially to see that.. and most people would probably find it offensive- and its illegal to do such a thing here in the UK

I remember the Naked Rambler who set about walking from one end of the country to the other, butt naked, - he was arrested multiple times along the way

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... rison.html

I can see his point about individual freedom, and I also agree with that, and that is why him doing that doesnt bother, or offend me in the slightest, - but there is a limit with other people- BECAUSE being NAKED in PUBLIC OFFENDS people, and it is NOT APPROPRIATE for children in particular to see a strange adult human in a state of undress in that way.



I should point out that as of the last I heard YOU would be arrested and jailed for wearing your SOL outfit in China. It probably doesn't offend anyone there except the government, but the last I heard, it was illegal there. But ironically, if you check your label, your outfit was probably made there.

I looked at the article you posted about the Naked Rambler. That was sad, but if someone wants to live in society, they need to conform to society norms. This means that people - including both you and me - should dress appropriately.

I know that me being naked in public would offend people and that is why I don't do it. You assume that everyone loves lady liberty. I am proof that this is not true. I live in the US and if there are people here that don't like the thing then you can bet your bottom dollar that there are people in the UK that don't like it either.

Lastly, I don't agree that it is wrong or inappropriate for children to see strange adults naked. Evidence collected by nudist organizations suggest that children's exposure to non-pornographic nude adults is not harmful and even beneficial. Children that grow up in nudist resorts lose all curiosity of the opposite sex and develop a high degree of resistance to the temptations of porn. Unlike simple nudity, porn IS very harmful to children. Teen pregnancies are also extremely rare among girls growing up in nudist resorts. Most non-nudist children are taught that being naked in public is offensive and inappropriate. I don't agree with that, but that is how it is. And then those children grow up and teach their children the same harmful taboo.

So, other than legalities, I don't see a real difference between an odd costume and being naked. People could simply look the other way in both our cases. Still, dressing the way we want to will have consequences.



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27 Jul 2010, 8:55 pm

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Where in the United States is there anyone who is as offended by the Statue of liberty as the Jews might be offended by a Neo-Nazi? A Neo-Nazi walking into a Jewish temple would be a very deliberate act of disrespect, don't even try to compare Flaggy and her love of the Statue of Liberty to that.


I don't recall saying in my hypothetical example that a Neo-Nazi visited a jewish temple. I believe I said someone "Dressed" as a nazi. It could have been the Rabbi or simply another jewish guy that wore it to honor a compassionate nazi that helped his family somehow. Nevertheless, I think most people would agree that the act is highly offensive regardless of who wears it. I used that example to make sure that nobody would say "Hey, I wear that - it can't be offensive." Perhaps that was overkill, but I think I have made my point that it IS possible to seriously offend someone by what you wear.



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27 Jul 2010, 9:22 pm

Wait... how is nudity inappropriate for children to see?


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27 Jul 2010, 10:49 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Wait... how is nudity inappropriate for children to see?


Its not, but it is a nonsensical taboo being perpetuated by many parents. Many people have a great deal of difficulty separating nudity from sexuality. That is where the invalid "inappropriate" label comes from.

I am an Asexual Christian Nudist. The asexual part is simply my sexual orientation and has nothing to do with my religion. I don't see any conflict with my religion and being a nudist either. Of the three major events in Christ's life on Earth, His Birth, Death, and resurrection, he was totally nude. There are many verses in the Bible that support nudism. According to the Creation story in Genesis, clothing is symbolic of sin, which is tolerated, not required by God.



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27 Jul 2010, 10:54 pm

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Wait... how is nudity inappropriate for children to see?


Its not, but it is a nonsensical taboo being perpetuated by many parents. Many people have a great deal of difficulty separating nudity from sexuality. That is where the invalid "inappropriate" label comes from.

I am an Asexual Christian Nudist. The asexual part is simply my sexual orientation and has nothing to do with my religion. I don't see any conflict with my religion and being a nudist either. Of the three major events in Christ's life on Earth, His Birth, Death, and resurrection, he was totally nude. There are many verses in the Bible that support nudism. According to the Creation story in Genesis, clothing is symbolic of sin, which is tolerated, not required by God.


Yeah, I know. I have been trying to get a valid answer to this for years. Instead, I've been told my children should be taken from me because I'm sexually abusing them by going around my house naked. :roll:


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27 Jul 2010, 11:00 pm

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Wait... how is nudity inappropriate for children to see?


Its not, but it is a nonsensical taboo being perpetuated by many parents. Many people have a great deal of difficulty separating nudity from sexuality. That is where the invalid "inappropriate" label comes from.

I am an Asexual Christian Nudist. The asexual part is simply my sexual orientation and has nothing to do with my religion. I don't see any conflict with my religion and being a nudist either. Of the three major events in Christ's life on Earth, His Birth, Death, and resurrection, he was totally nude. There are many verses in the Bible that support nudism. According to the Creation story in Genesis, clothing is symbolic of sin, which is tolerated, not required by God.


Yeah, I know. I have been trying to get a valid answer to this for years. Instead, I've been told my children should be taken from me because I'm sexually abusing them by going around my house naked. :roll:



When it's real hot out, I tend to go naked. But when I leave my apartment, I put something on. Same as if I hear a knock at the door.



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27 Jul 2010, 11:08 pm

League_Girl wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
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TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Wait... how is nudity inappropriate for children to see?


Its not, but it is a nonsensical taboo being perpetuated by many parents. Many people have a great deal of difficulty separating nudity from sexuality. That is where the invalid "inappropriate" label comes from.

I am an Asexual Christian Nudist. The asexual part is simply my sexual orientation and has nothing to do with my religion. I don't see any conflict with my religion and being a nudist either. Of the three major events in Christ's life on Earth, His Birth, Death, and resurrection, he was totally nude. There are many verses in the Bible that support nudism. According to the Creation story in Genesis, clothing is symbolic of sin, which is tolerated, not required by God.


Yeah, I know. I have been trying to get a valid answer to this for years. Instead, I've been told my children should be taken from me because I'm sexually abusing them by going around my house naked. :roll:



When it's real hot out, I tend to go naked. But when I leave my apartment, I put something on. Same as if I hear a knock at the door.


Yep, that's pretty much me.


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27 Jul 2010, 11:11 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Yeah, I know. I have been trying to get a valid answer to this for years. Instead, I've been told my children should be taken from me because I'm sexually abusing them by going around my house naked. :roll:


I don't mean to sound alarmist, but that is a very scary situation to be in. Who exactly said you were abusing your children? That's horrible. Saying that you are sexually abusing your children is a false accusation and I hate those with a passion. You might want to check the local laws out there. Here in Florida, its perfectly legal for children to be naked with their parents at nudist resorts. If you establish yourself as a nudist, then there is nothing they can do to you because it is essentially a religion and constitutionally protected. If you can contact a local nudist resort out there, there are usually knowledgeable members that can help you even if you don't actually want to become a nudist.



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27 Jul 2010, 11:20 pm

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Yeah, I know. I have been trying to get a valid answer to this for years. Instead, I've been told my children should be taken from me because I'm sexually abusing them by going around my house naked. :roll:


I don't mean to sound alarmist, but that is a very scary situation to be in. Who exactly said you were abusing your children? That's horrible. Saying that you are sexually abusing your children is a false accusation and I hate those with a passion. You might want to check the local laws out there. Here in Florida, its perfectly legal for children to be naked with their parents at nudist resorts. If you establish yourself as a nudist, then there is nothing they can do to you because it is essentially a religion and constitutionally protected. If you can contact a local nudist resort out there, there are usually knowledgeable members that can help you even if you don't actually want to become a nudist.


It's perfectly legal to be naked around your own children here in California. :-)


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27 Jul 2010, 11:22 pm

Besides, those that said that were on a mom's forum and had no idea where I lived or how to report me if they wanted to. They were just being self righteous a-holes.


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27 Jul 2010, 11:25 pm

I wonder what the laws are here in Oregon?