Why are many people happy to be diagnosed with AS?
No, they are not. You find me an instance in the DSM in which Asperger's Disorder is referred to as Asperger's DISEASE.
Well, yes they are, but I'm not saying it's correct or right. The DSM doesn't use the term disease. I wouldn't argue that at all. I also totally agree that because of the connotations of the word disease, it shouldn't be used in connection with mental and neurological syndromes and disorders. Depression used to be called a mental disease. There were even advertisements on national television that stated it as such. If you google the question, "What is the difference between a disorder and a disease?" with the quotes, you will find a series of fairly reputable sources that state professionals often use the terms interchangeably. What has happened over the past few decades, which explains the statement on this site, is that referring to mental disorders as diseases has become politically incorrect.
I don't like the term disease used any more than anyone else here. The only reason I brought it up was to explain why anyone, but specifically the OP, might think there is no difference. I agree there is, if only because of the connotations of the term. Disease brings to mind some pretty ugly pictures.
In my mind, Asperger's and Autism are NOT diseases.
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There's an easy and obvious answer to this question, perhaps two. Perhaps more. (If someone has mentioned this already, my apology for redundancy since I glanced at the topic and am responding without reading all the replies.) The obvious answer: Asperger's Syndrome has a bright side that many disorders do not. It can imply aptitude and genuis, creativity and willpower. These are highly coveted characteristics in the main stream. Who guffaws at being called intelligent? Most people take it as a compliment. The overplayed role of the ditzy bimbo is a tad bit cliche and oh so trite. It's so Three's Company.
So, there's that angle.
Next, there's people who are relieved to finally have a diagnosis of something so they can begin working on their stuff, to have a better, more fulfilling, rewarding life of ease and accomplishment.
how so?
explain:
I love anonymous forums
explain:
Doctor: There is nothing wrong with you, you just need to worlk on your self-esteem.
You: 'Well yeah, but that's not it" - thus proving the doctor right.
and these statements need no explanation, but are dismissive and ignorant:
i don't understand why you're surprised to have offended anyone.
and i am being literal. i would like you to explain the statements.
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No, they are not. You find me an instance in the DSM in which Asperger's Disorder is referred to as Asperger's DISEASE.
Well, yes they are, but I'm not saying it's correct or right. The DSM doesn't use the term disease. I wouldn't argue that at all. I also totally agree that because of the connotations of the word disease, it shouldn't be used in connection with mental and neurological syndromes and disorders. Depression used to be called a mental disease. There were even advertisements on national television that stated it as such. If you google the question, "What is the difference between a disorder and a disease?" with the quotes, you will find a series of fairly reputable sources that state professionals often use the terms interchangeably. What has happened over the past few decades, which explains the statement on this site, is that referring to mental disorders as diseases has become politically incorrect.
I don't like the term disease used any more than anyone else here. The only reason I brought it up was to explain why anyone, but specifically the OP, might think there is no difference. I agree there is, if only because of the connotations of the term. Disease brings to mind some pretty ugly pictures.
In my mind, Asperger's and Autism are NOT diseases.
I generally think of disease as something that affects one's natural state of being. Depression is a disease in that sense - it affects you physically and psychologically and once the depression is gone, you're back to normal. If you have AS, that is your natural state of being - but because it causes problems with adjusting to society and causes some problems, it's a disorder. I don't like the connotation of disease because it implies that there's some non-AS state that a person can or should go back to - which is neither accurate nor helpful.
No, they are not. You find me an instance in the DSM in which Asperger's Disorder is referred to as Asperger's DISEASE.
Well, yes they are, but I'm not saying it's correct or right. The DSM doesn't use the term disease. I wouldn't argue that at all. I also totally agree that because of the connotations of the word disease, it shouldn't be used in connection with mental and neurological syndromes and disorders. Depression used to be called a mental disease. There were even advertisements on national television that stated it as such. If you google the question, "What is the difference between a disorder and a disease?" with the quotes, you will find a series of fairly reputable sources that state professionals often use the terms interchangeably. What has happened over the past few decades, which explains the statement on this site, is that referring to mental disorders as diseases has become politically incorrect.
I don't like the term disease used any more than anyone else here. The only reason I brought it up was to explain why anyone, but specifically the OP, might think there is no difference. I agree there is, if only because of the connotations of the term. Disease brings to mind some pretty ugly pictures.
In my mind, Asperger's and Autism are NOT diseases.
I generally think of disease as something that affects one's natural state of being. Depression is a disease in that sense - it affects you physically and psychologically and once the depression is gone, you're back to normal. If you have AS, that is your natural state of being - but because it causes problems with adjusting to society and causes some problems, it's a disorder. I don't like the connotation of disease because it implies that there's some non-AS state that a person can or should go back to - which is neither accurate nor helpful.
Then, there's people who think we can brain build, that is, NTs can develop Autistic traits and Autistics can become more NT-like just by working on rewiring parts of the brain, building those connections in certain areas so that people can become better at certain things, like socializing, or building super memories. The brain is the most fantastic organ of all.
No, they are not. You find me an instance in the DSM in which Asperger's Disorder is referred to as Asperger's DISEASE.
Well, yes they are, but I'm not saying it's correct or right. The DSM doesn't use the term disease. I wouldn't argue that at all. I also totally agree that because of the connotations of the word disease, it shouldn't be used in connection with mental and neurological syndromes and disorders. Depression used to be called a mental disease. There were even advertisements on national television that stated it as such. If you google the question, "What is the difference between a disorder and a disease?" with the quotes, you will find a series of fairly reputable sources that state professionals often use the terms interchangeably. What has happened over the past few decades, which explains the statement on this site, is that referring to mental disorders as diseases has become politically incorrect.
I don't like the term disease used any more than anyone else here. The only reason I brought it up was to explain why anyone, but specifically the OP, might think there is no difference. I agree there is, if only because of the connotations of the term. Disease brings to mind some pretty ugly pictures.
In my mind, Asperger's and Autism are NOT diseases.
I generally think of disease as something that affects one's natural state of being. Depression is a disease in that sense - it affects you physically and psychologically and once the depression is gone, you're back to normal. If you have AS, that is your natural state of being - but because it causes problems with adjusting to society and causes some problems, it's a disorder. I don't like the connotation of disease because it implies that there's some non-AS state that a person can or should go back to - which is neither accurate nor helpful.
I don't know...
Disorder, to me, implies it's not natural. Thus DISorder. The only people I have seen thus far call it natural are those who have it, and would prefer not to be thought of as having anything wrong with themselves, which is perfectly understandable. And, who knows? Maybe one day we'll all come to understand that it is just a different type of personality (at least in high functioning folks), that needs to be more accepted, and that society itself is wrong for thinking of it as anything else.
For now, it describes those of us who, no matter how hard we try, never fit or are accepted as normal or natural in society. I'm good with that. If society isn't willing to accept me as normal and adjust for it, but are willing to make concessions. They can't have it both ways though.
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This will be my last post here. Not because I am upset or don't want to explain myself, but because it is not really good for me to get overstressed, and that's precisely what is happening to me in this thread. Just because I am "neurotypical" doesn't mean I don't have anything. I do indeed have something, it's just not on the autistic spectrum. I need to keep myself away from too much stress. That is why I like anonymous forums - people can only sharpen their pitchforks virtually, not literally.
I admit that I am quite desensitized to the word "disease" because I work in the health care industry, and I used to work with diseases and diagnoses a lot - not anymore since I got that pesky something. Before that, I was virtually certain I had AS, in fact, I used to post here under a different nickname saying I was "self-diagnosed". That is why I understand all of you, both who got diagnosed and those who are not sure.
I want to leave you with one final thought. I would like to take the mission statement of this forum one step further by changing the language. Asperger's Syndrome, in my opinion, should not be diagnosed as a syndrome. Instead, it should be referred to as "Aspergian mentality". That would be much easier to explain without people telling you you must act like "rain man." In addition, it would not negatively stigmatize as much. And finally, here is a link you may find interesting:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/chi ... -all-about
Now I must leave before the virtual pitchforks are sharpened again. No more FAss.
Interesting article. For some of us, it might be news. For most of us though, it isn't. For me, it's all stuff I've thought about on my own, and didn't really need an article to think about.
This response is not meant be blunt, though I suspect that's how it appears. It's simply the truth. For me, trying to explain what it's like to be on the spectrum to anyone who isn't on it themselves, is like trying to build skyscrapers out of rubber. Once in a while, for a moment or two, I might get the concept through, just as a rubber skyscraper might stand straight for a moment or two. Most of the time though, it just bounces and sways, never really standing straight for all practical purposes.
You might think that's the fallacy of the explanations. It isn't. It's in the inability of NT's to understand something they have never experienced. They say you should walk a mile in someone's shoes before you judge them. The problem for us is that in our case, it's impossible unless you are one of us. I don't mean that as an exclusionary thought. It's just a fact. Reading about, and imagining it is one thing, but it's nothing at all like actually being it.
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I'm not likely to be around much longer. As before when I first signed up here years ago, I'm finding that after a long hiatus, and after only a few days back on here, I'm spending way too much time here again already. So I'm requesting my account be locked, banned or whatever. It's just time. Until then, well, I dunno...
I admit that I am quite desensitized to the word "disease" because I work in the health care industry, and I used to work with diseases and diagnoses a lot - not anymore since I got that pesky something. Before that, I was virtually certain I had AS, in fact, I used to post here under a different nickname saying I was "self-diagnosed". That is why I understand all of you, both who got diagnosed and those who are not sure.
I want to leave you with one final thought. I would like to take the mission statement of this forum one step further by changing the language. Asperger's Syndrome, in my opinion, should not be diagnosed as a syndrome. Instead, it should be referred to as "Aspergian mentality". That would be much easier to explain without people telling you you must act like "rain man." In addition, it would not negatively stigmatize as much. And finally, here is a link you may find interesting:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/chi ... -all-about
Now I must leave before the virtual pitchforks are sharpened again. No more FAss.
If your intentions are as you say they are, maybe get out of this thread but post elsewhere? I actually had a question for you in another thread you posted in; something that might answer a little more of where you are coming from AND provide some interesting and useful discussion for our members.
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Mom to an amazing young adult AS son, plus an also amazing non-AS daughter. Most likely part of the "Broader Autism Phenotype" (some traits).
I think this thread has run it's course in terms of potential usefulness and it seems better if I lock it. The OP (or interested members) can pm me if he disagrees with that.
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