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Do you agree that autism is extreme male brain and schizophrenia is extreme female brain?
yes 3%  3%  [ 4 ]
no 75%  75%  [ 88 ]
undecided 21%  21%  [ 25 ]
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04 Sep 2010, 10:48 pm

I didint like this test. but I love taking tests, so here are my results

Disorder | Rating
Paranoid: High
Schizoid: Moderate
Schizotypal: High
Antisocial: Moderate
Borderline: Moderate
Histrionic: Moderate
Narcissistic: Very High
Avoidant: High
Dependent: Low
Obsessive-Compulsive: High

so, I think too highly of myself?..lol



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04 Sep 2010, 11:14 pm

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Many people rejected this theory, often providing empirical studies and anecdotes to debunk the idea. I however remain attracted to the elegance, simplicity and symmetry of this theory. The goal of science is to come up with simple parsimonious explanations for complex phenomena and to fit new observations into existing frameworks so simply expanding the neurological spectrum that differentiates men and women, to include autistics and schizophrenics is a good place to start.

I guess the biggest problem I see with this theory is that the popular notion of "maleness" simply doesn't agree with my impression of other people on the spectrum or of me personally. When I think of extreme "maleness" I think of your typical high-school sports jock and most aspies on here seem to be closer to the polar opposite of this. I guess my main main bias is against the term "extreme male" which is extremely misleading.



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04 Sep 2010, 11:55 pm

I got pretty much as expected:

paranoid: Low
schizoid: high
schizotypal: moderate
antisocial: Low
Borderline: Low
Histrionic: moderate
Narcissistic: moderate
Avoidant: moderate
Dependant: Low
Obsessive/compulsive: High



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05 Sep 2010, 12:09 am

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I guess the biggest problem I see with this theory is that the popular notion of "maleness" simply doesn't agree with my impression of other people on the spectrum or of me personally. When I think of extreme "maleness" I think of your typical high-school sports jock and most aspies on here seem to be closer to the polar opposite of this. I guess my main main bias is against the term "extreme male" which is extremely misleading.


It sounds like your impression of extreme maleness is defined more by extreme PHYSICAL maleness (the guys on the football team) as opposed to extreme MENTAL maleness (the guys on the chess team). Your way of thinking is logical because physical differences define the sexes much more than mental ones do, but we have to remind ourselves that the context here is mental.



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05 Sep 2010, 1:19 am

Paranoid: High
Schizoid: Very High
Schizotypal: Moderate
Antisocial: Moderate
Borderline: Low
Histrionic: Low
Narcissistic: Moderate
Avoidant: Low
Dependent: Low
Obsessive-Compulsive: High

Diagnosed with AS.


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05 Sep 2010, 1:57 am

I took that test lots of time in the past. Here's my results this time :arrow:

Paranoid: Moderate
Schizoid: Very High
Schizotypal: High
Antisocial: Moderate
Borderline: High
Histrionic: Low
Narcissistic: Moderate
Avoidant: High
Dependent: Moderate
Obsessive-Compulsive: High


When I was officially tested for AS; I was diagnosed with Schizoid instead of Aspergers. I was also diagnosed with Borderline & Obsessive-Compulsive as well & I was told that I fit all the main features of Schizotypal to. I was having a lot of emotional problems & suffering a sever depression(I suspect it was psychotic depression) at the time I was seeing docs. The psych who refereed me for testing diagnosed me as AS but I had to see someone else to get official testing. My mom had suspected I was autistic sense I was a toddle but when she had asked our general practitioner if I could be autistic; he just laughed & said "Nick's just being Nick". I had however been diagnosed with Dyslexia & ADHD sense I had been in kindergarten. From all the research I've done on AS & Schizoid & other things & post here; I believe I have AS cuz I fit most all the main symptoms & have lots of the same difficulties & problems that other members with official diagnoses have. I am an ISTJ personality type on all the Myers Brigs test I've taken(strong I & very strong J) I think Schizoids are generally ISTJs but I'm not sure. I think that Schizoid personality could be an adaptation cuz of my AS & other issues/problems. I do NOT understand how Schizoid & Borderline can coexist because Schizoids are extreme loners who are unemotional & Borderlines are emotional & generally do not like being alone. Every other doc I saw sense believed I had Schizoid & Borderline & lots of other things instead of AS. The docs thought I communicated too well verbally to have AS yet I still have lots of communication issues & had been in speech therapy till I started high-school & I was still eligible to receive it but I would of had to miss class to go to school next door to get it. The docs also thought my intelligence wasn't supper low because I had a high-school diploma from a private college prep-school. I struggled in all my classes that wer college type stuff instead of electives & some of my grades wer curved so I didn't fail. The public awareness about autism & AS here is pretty bad & a lot of people who have heard of it think it is mental retardation. I suspect the docs wer quacks


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05 Sep 2010, 2:57 am

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marshall wrote:
I guess the biggest problem I see with this theory is that the popular notion of "maleness" simply doesn't agree with my impression of other people on the spectrum or of me personally. When I think of extreme "maleness" I think of your typical high-school sports jock and most aspies on here seem to be closer to the polar opposite of this. I guess my main main bias is against the term "extreme male" which is extremely misleading.


It sounds like your impression of extreme maleness is defined more by extreme PHYSICAL maleness (the guys on the football team) as opposed to extreme MENTAL maleness (the guys on the chess team). Your way of thinking is logical because physical differences define the sexes much more than mental ones do, but we have to remind ourselves that the context here is mental.


Being macho, homophobic, etc... isn't a mental thing? Having a jarhead attitude towards life?



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05 Sep 2010, 3:16 am

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I do NOT understand how Schizoid & Borderline can coexist because Schizoids are extreme loners who are unemotional & Borderlines are emotional & generally do not like being alone. Every other doc I saw sense believed I had Schizoid & Borderline & lots of other things instead of AS.

I think one can be a loner and still have Borderline Personality Disorder. They would probably be labeled as avoidant and borderline rather than schizoid and borderline. I agree that schizoid and borderline don't really go together.



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05 Sep 2010, 4:20 am

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nick007 wrote:
I do NOT understand how Schizoid & Borderline can coexist because Schizoids are extreme loners who are unemotional & Borderlines are emotional & generally do not like being alone. Every other doc I saw sense believed I had Schizoid & Borderline & lots of other things instead of AS.

I think one can be a loner and still have Borderline Personality Disorder. They would probably be labeled as avoidant and borderline rather than schizoid and borderline. I agree that schizoid and borderline don't really go together.


The only way I think they mite could coexist is that I am different in different situations at different times but personality disorders are an overall thing & NOT situation specific. I think the way things are with DSM IV; Schizoid & Aspergers can not coexist. Schizoid & other personality disorders are personality traits that are kind of specific where as AS is a developmental thing; like you process & interpret things differently. It seems like a person could have Schizoid personality because they process things differently. I think DSM V is doing away with Schizoid & instead diagnosing symptoms & I think most of those symptoms can exist with Aspergrs


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05 Sep 2010, 4:45 am

This test is probably not accurate. It depends on how you interpret the questions as usual. I mean, there is a differencce between "I do not want to have a social life and I do not like people" and "I avoid social events because it never turns out well and I am afraid of being rejected again".
There is also a difference between being narcissic and being told you are egocentric and arrogant because people do not understand what you meant or try to read between the lines when there was nothing to read there. :lol:
There is also the "lie about illnesses", I used to exagerate my illnesses (and started to have migraines) when I was 14-16 because I suffered from school phobia (I did not want to be beaten by the rest of my school and the teachers were always blaming me for what was happenning...) but I do not fit the "Histrionic" disorder.
And what about the question about needing to have stories to tell... what do they mean by stories ? I enjoy sharing memories with my friends or telling a "story" (a real story as in "Sleeping Beauty" though I usually do not tell this one) to kids or just to explain a point.

By the way, I am pretty sure the results would have been different when I was younger.

Paranoid: Low
Schizoid: Moderate
Schizotypal: Moderate
Antisocial : Low
Borderline: Low
Histrionic: Moderate
Narcissistic: High
Avoidant: High

Dependent: Moderate
Obsessive-Compulsive: High

I have to admit that I do fit the description of "OCD" and Avoidant Personnality Disorder (at least, the short description made by this website). I am surprised by what "Antisocial" means.



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05 Sep 2010, 5:44 am

lostD wrote:
This test is probably not accurate. It depends on how you interpret the questions as usual. I mean, there is a differencce between "I do not want to have a social life and I do not like people" and "I avoid social events because it never turns out well and I am afraid of being rejected again".
There is also a difference between being narcissic and being told you are egocentric and arrogant because people do not understand what you meant or try to read between the lines when there was nothing to read there. :lol:
There is also the "lie about illnesses", I used to exagerate my illnesses (and started to have migraines) when I was 14-16 because I suffered from school phobia (I did not want to be beaten by the rest of my school and the teachers were always blaming me for what was happenning...) but I do not fit the "Histrionic" disorder.
And what about the question about needing to have stories to tell... what do they mean by stories ? I enjoy sharing memories with my friends or telling a "story" (a real story as in "Sleeping Beauty" though I usually do not tell this one) to kids or just to explain a point.

By the way, I am pretty sure the results would have been different when I was younger.

Paranoid: Low
Schizoid: Moderate
Schizotypal: Moderate
Antisocial : Low
Borderline: Low
Histrionic: Moderate
Narcissistic: High
Avoidant: High

Dependent: Moderate
Obsessive-Compulsive: High

I have to admit that I do fit the description of "OCD" and Avoidant Personnality Disorder (at least, the short description made by this website). I am surprised by what "Antisocial" means.


I think that quiz is like lots of quizzes on the internet. It is something that people take for fun or cuz they are bored or trying to understand themselves or other things better. It should NOT be considered a diagnostic tool but rather give you things to think about it & consider.

I think I interpreted some of those questions at more than face value. I assumed the exaggerated illness thing was about doing it for attention or that you believe you are sick when you are not or you mentally make yourself sick. I thought the thing about needing to tell stories was about telling stories to impress others or making up stories to tell people; like trying to sound & be cool witch I used to do when I was in school very unsuccessfully I mite add.
A lot of personality disorders have similar symptoms. Schizoids, Paranoids, Schizotypals, & Avoidants generally avoid social relationships but it is the rezone they avoid em that are different. I took some True/False test like that years ago with docs. They wer a lot longer & they had some questions on there designed to find out if people wer lying or interpenetrating things very weird. The docs told me NOT to think about it much & go with my 1st guess


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05 Sep 2010, 1:53 pm

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The only way I think they mite could coexist is that I am different in different situations at different times but personality disorders are an overall thing & NOT situation specific.

Yea. Another thing is I don't feel like I'm totally aware of my "true" personality. Being an introvert means that my inner world and how I like to think of myself is quite different from how other people might perceive me. There's no way I can accurately self-evaluate as I don't know what people see in me. From my own subjective perspective I'm different depending on the situation and who I'm with. I'm shy and don't advertise my inner nature to anyone.



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05 Sep 2010, 3:19 pm

marshall wrote:
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marshall wrote:
Being macho, homophobic, etc... isn't a mental thing? Having a jarhead attitude towards life?


Well regardless of brain type, guys may only tend to act macho when they have the masculine body build to back it up. And maybe autistics are more homophobic. We certainly don't like to be touched. :-) Or maybe there's just a profound difference between a brain that gets hyper-masculinized before birth (autistics) and one that becomes this way post-puberty (high school jocks).



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05 Sep 2010, 3:50 pm

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marshall wrote:
Being macho, homophobic, etc... isn't a mental thing? Having a jarhead attitude towards life?


Well regardless of brain type, guys may only tend to act macho when they have the masculine body build to back it up.

I don't think it has to do with body build.

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And maybe autistics are more homophobic. We certainly don't like to be touched. :-)

Homophobia doesn't have anything to do with fear of being touched or even being disgusted by the idea of same sex intercourse. It mostly has to do with fear of "un-manliness" or gayness being a threat to the male gender identity.

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Or maybe there's just a profound difference between a brain that gets hyper-masculinized before birth (autistics) and one that becomes this way post-puberty (high school jocks).

Maybe. The only thing I see is that people on the spectrum are less likely to conform to a strict gender identity. This means females might seem less feminine and males might seem less masculine. In other words people on the spectrum are more gender-neutral.



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05 Sep 2010, 4:06 pm

wogaboo wrote:
marshall wrote:
I guess the biggest problem I see with this theory is that the popular notion of "maleness" simply doesn't agree with my impression of other people on the spectrum or of me personally. When I think of extreme "maleness" I think of your typical high-school sports jock and most aspies on here seem to be closer to the polar opposite of this. I guess my main main bias is against the term "extreme male" which is extremely misleading.


It sounds like your impression of extreme maleness is defined more by extreme PHYSICAL maleness (the guys on the football team) as opposed to extreme MENTAL maleness (the guys on the chess team). Your way of thinking is logical because physical differences define the sexes much more than mental ones do, but we have to remind ourselves that the context here is mental.


Even in the mental side, the stereotype of Asperger's (bookish, quite, spending most time at home, not interested in sports, careful with details, etc.) seems typically "female" - this is the way that, in most societies, girls "are supposed" to behave (while boys "are supposed" to hang around with their buddys at the pub).



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05 Sep 2010, 4:13 pm

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. I am an ISTJ personality type on all the Myers Brigs test I've taken(strong I & very strong J) I think Schizoids are generally ISTJs but I'm not sure.


http://www.schizoids.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5297

At least at schizoids.net, most people are INTJ (45%) or INTP (32%), like at the WrongPlanet, btw. However, it is very possible that "N" types could be over-represented in Internet.

But one of the symptoms of SPD is "excessive preoccupation with fantasy and introspection", what I think points to "N".