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05 Sep 2010, 1:29 pm

This is silly, stop trying to build boxes to put people in.
a disability is something that disables you to do certian things, many people have many different thoughts on wether they would consider themselves, disabled or not, never mind how "severe". People have problems, some people have more problems in certian areas then others.
Labeling them as having one "disorder" or the next, doesnt help anyone. Understanding specific issues, and learning to treat a person as a whole, while at the same time helping with their "problem" is a better solution. Stop thinking of things in such black and white terms.

the things that work for you, work for you. Its a delusion to think that just because something works for you, that it will work for everyone else.
Autism is a spectrum for a reason, because People are. The problem happens when you start taking apart the rainbow, and putting the purple people next to the blue people, and the red people next to the yellow people...what your left with is an empty box. Everyone is one color or another, and some people are mulitple. Thats just the veriety of humanity. It should be celibrated, not catagorized.



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05 Sep 2010, 1:31 pm

Mild enough for me to adapt to the NT world. Severe enough to mark me as a "weirdo" when I was a kid.

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05 Sep 2010, 2:14 pm

Why is it important to have a car, for? I'd much rather take the bus, being that busses are one of my special interests. Other than that, I have a decent job, and I'm living on my own.


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05 Sep 2010, 2:15 pm

I am " quite far along on the spectrum" I was told by a doctor. Never
even knew any thing about autism till only a little over a year and a half ago.
I just thought I was not trying hard enough in life, some how this did not seem
right tho. I am baseing where I fall on the spectrum by what the profesionals have
reported. My family is supposidly not normal and that is what most people use
to define "normal" hard to go against ideals ingrained from a early age.

About your list of possesions
I live in the wifes house I know I would not be able to have a place of my own
Have owned many cars in the past (hundreds) but most were junkers. Cars
have been my special interest.
My job is a dirty relitivly low paying job but falls into my special interest kind of

The reason I post here/ come here is that I fall between the cracks
I find support here. The thing is I have to compete with the NT world
I have a lot of pride I am lucky too, feel if not for luck in things like the wife
I would be in serious trouble .

Your question hits home. Good to get honest with myself tho.

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05 Sep 2010, 2:19 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
Why is it important to have a car, for? I'd much rather take the bus, being that busses are one of my special interests. Other than that, I have a decent job, and I'm living on my own.



To travel and you have more freedom. You can get anywhere and not be restricted because buses don't take you everywhere. You don't have to wait for the bus and you can get home quicker. Plus it's to use for grocery shopping. I can't imagine my husband and I carrying five bags of groceries on the bus and be limited to how much we can buy.

Plus where I lived, you had to have a car to get to work and everywhere because there was no public transportation. But there were cabs.



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05 Sep 2010, 3:14 pm

Well its no suprise to see people downplaying their condition and considering themselves to be "mild" sadly we tend to make poor judges on how we come across to others.

At the end of the day wether we conciously engage in it or not we all want to fit in or belong in our day to day lives. Unless your problems are such that you are accutely aware on a day to day basis that you have problems with day to day interaction you are going to want to downplay the problems you have. Thats not a bad thing or something to pass judgement on it's just part of human nature.

It's no differnt then people who are on the borderline level of IQ that would qualify them as having moderate learning disabilities. Such people will strife to make out they are not unusual or differnt in anyway in a bid to belong, even at the expense of other people with learning disabilities. I've even seen such behaviour amongst a group of young adolescents with downs syndrome trying to make out they are more "on the normal level" and the rest are a bit below them.



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05 Sep 2010, 3:58 pm

Like some others here I find this thread very insulting. Temple Grandin had a car early in her life---I guess she was mild? I don't think so. Yeah, I drive, but I get lost in unfamiliar places and once there I can't find my way out. I even get turned around in shopping centers. I have sensory issues that are not mild. My special intense interests are not mild. I have stimmed my way into chronic skin conditions. I have no friends. I focus on the positives because I it is better than focusing on the negatives. When I was more depressed in life (when I was young) I self-harmed. Call that mild??? I don't think so.

My problem with this thread is when we are told what we probably are---that person does not know us. It sounds trolling to me. From my analysis of my AS I am moderate. When I was diagnosed professionally by an expert, I was told I might be HFA more than AS. If anyone questions my diagnosis, you can talk to my clinic.


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05 Sep 2010, 4:03 pm

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I know this is controversial, but I don't think most people on WP have 'typical' Aspergers; just a mild version of it. For most people on WP, Aspergers is more of a quirky personality thing, rather than something profoundly disabling. The most disabled Aspies are too disabled (or too disconnected from reality) to fully understand the concept of their condition, and therefore come on WP to talk about it. Besides, anyone who's glad they have Aspergers (as many people on WP are) can't have too many serious Aspergers related issues (unless they're masochists). I also base all this on my own observations: I have personally made the journey from severe Aspergers to mild (practically non-existent) Aspergers, and I'm certain the vast majority of people on WP aren't as severly affected as I was.

Mild/Moderate/Severe Aspergers, as I see it:

Mild

You have some quirks/eccentricities, but you've basically got your **** together, and have most of the following:

- A reasonably good job, or you're on course for a reasonably good job, e.g. university
- Friends, and significant sexual experiences
- A car
- Your own place

Moderate ('typical' Aspergers)

You don't have most of the things listed above, but at least you understand the importance of having these things, and you're trying (albeit awkwardly) to work towards them. Or you want these things, but they're very difficult for you to obtain, and you've lost your motivation, and you may be depressed/anxious.

Severe (heading towards classic Autism)

Not only do you not have the things listed above, but you don't even understand why they're important. You're disconnected from reality (at least partially), and living in a fantasy world to some degree; completely unable to become a fully functioning adult.

To be blunt, I don't think anyone on WP falls into this category. If you were this bad you wouldn't have sufficient awareness of your predicament to be able to analyze it. I know this, as I was this bad myself!

And, yes, I understand these categories are loose, and there will always be atypical cases.

Please feel free to challenge my arguments here. And I'd love some answers to the following:

1 - Which category do you think you're in and why?
2 - If you're only 'Mild', and you've got your **** together, why are you on WP? I don't mean this nastily; just curious.
3 - Has anybody moved categories during their lifetime, e.g. Moderate to Mild, or Severe to Moderate. In particular, has anyone improved from Severe to Mild?

Thanks

Mine might be a bit more than a personality. I am way too inflexible and perseverate too often. Mine goes beyond mere personality disorder.

I was worse as a kid, so maybe I was borderline severe/medium? I went to regular classes in school, but wasn't a very good student and wouldn't do the assignments most of the time, prefering to draw horses and talk to myself instead. I was continuously put in the isolation desk or had my desk turned toward a wall to try to keep me on track. I just wasn't interested in learning what they wanted me to learn...and yet...I type like I could have been a half way decent student at the very least. I was actually one of the worst. I hardly turned in any work, and the work I did manage was riddled with errors.
Nowadays, I am able to focus on other things besides drawing horses, but it's not as consistent as someone without AS. I still prefer doing what I want to do instead of what others want me to do or what needs doing. I have to work at it.



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05 Sep 2010, 4:04 pm

Some of us don't live in America where a car is vital to get from A to B.

I've seen plenty of people on buses carrying shopping shite before. Using public transport isn't exclusive to just the ret*ds.

Another thing, why do so many people get free bus passes when they aren't old or have a physical disability? This goes to the AS people too. Pay like I do, you cu nts.



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05 Sep 2010, 4:07 pm

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Some of us don't live in America where a car is vital to get from A to B.

I've seen plenty of people on buses carrying shopping shite before. Using public transport isn't exclusive to just the ret*ds.

Another thing, why do so many people get free bus passes when they aren't old or have a physical disability? This goes to the AS people too. Pay like I do, you cu nts.
Maybe because they are poor? Not everyone has lots of money to spend on transportation.



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05 Sep 2010, 4:09 pm

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Actually, I find this pretty insulting. I have a job and a car and my own place, but I'm fricking miserable because my personal life sucks, has sucked and probably WILL always suck because I cannot "read people" or communicate emotionally to save my life. The external appearance of moderate success is NOT all there is to life, happiness, or even sanity.

Argh...

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I can think of many such people in similair situations to you who I have met over the years in various asperger communites I have been part of who are in exactly the same situation and come to such groups seeking to meet like minded people because their attempts to find friendship and significant others in mainstream socialisation has not met with success.


Exactly. The OP doesn't seem to understand that impairments may be uneven and we may do well enough to "fake it" in a job situation but not in social or intimate relationships. Only in AS communities do I find people who don't act like I'm totally weird when I describe some of my experiences and reactions to them.

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05 Sep 2010, 4:16 pm

I should have added this to my previous post. But I find it incredibly insulting that the thread implies that a more challenged autistic individual would not be able to present well here---since they probably wouldn't be here in the first place. Most of us know that the way the thread implies is NOT accurate on this.


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05 Sep 2010, 4:18 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
IndispensablePG wrote:
Some of us don't live in America where a car is vital to get from A to B.

I've seen plenty of people on buses carrying shopping shite before. Using public transport isn't exclusive to just the ret*ds.

Another thing, why do so many people get free bus passes when they aren't old or have a physical disability? This goes to the AS people too. Pay like I do, you cu nts.
Maybe because they are poor? Not everyone has lots of money to spend on transportation.


Stop being an a ss. If you can walk okay and talk, you don't deserve one. People do it to take the pi ss and get a free ride.

For the record, I'm on a piss poor income, but I pay bills and I pay for transport.



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05 Sep 2010, 4:21 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
IndispensablePG wrote:
Some of us don't live in America where a car is vital to get from A to B.

I've seen plenty of people on buses carrying shopping shite before. Using public transport isn't exclusive to just the ret*ds.

Another thing, why do so many people get free bus passes when they aren't old or have a physical disability? This goes to the AS people too. Pay like I do, you cu nts.
Maybe because they are poor? Not everyone has lots of money to spend on transportation.



The transportation here is starting to piss me off because they cut bus lines again and raise the fare prices. What about low income people? They can't afford to pay 90 bucks or 80 bucks for a bus pass (whatever price they raised it to).

But I was happy to hear at work that there are places here that give away free bus passes to low income people.

Because they were pissing me off, I went for a H bus pass that is for people with disabilities and seniors. Now I won't have to pay the new price but they raised the H bus pass up a dollar. :twisted:



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05 Sep 2010, 4:21 pm

IndispensablePG wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
IndispensablePG wrote:
Some of us don't live in America where a car is vital to get from A to B.

I've seen plenty of people on buses carrying shopping shite before. Using public transport isn't exclusive to just the ret*ds.

Another thing, why do so many people get free bus passes when they aren't old or have a physical disability? This goes to the AS people too. Pay like I do, you cu nts.
Maybe because they are poor? Not everyone has lots of money to spend on transportation.


Stop being an a ss. If you can walk okay and talk, you don't deserve one. People do it to take the pi ss and get a free ride.

For the record, I'm on a piss poor income, but I pay bills and I pay for transport.

Well, poor people need a pass as much as anyone else. Some people just don't have the money to spend on the bus. Not everyone is middle class. If you are poor you might as well try to get a bus pass and quit your belly aching. It's so obvious you wish you had one ,too.



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05 Sep 2010, 4:50 pm

I was told to have mild, but... while I do have a car-:

- I can't seem to get a job for the life of me
- I'm not living on campus in college next year (still at home with parents)
- What friends?

I'm more convinced I'm moderate, with just a few missing symptoms... I don't get meltdowns that much. I can recall a few incidents, but I'm relatively calm now. Or... I'm just good at coping with anxiety, even if I'm exploding inside.

As for the "severe" part of the post, it sounds kind of sketchy. I've heard others here state their Asperger's was severe - more than likely, you're explaining Low-Functioning Autism, not any form of Asperger's.