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05 Sep 2010, 3:02 pm

Maybe we could get funding to make somekind of Aspie Academy? Thing of it as an education system developed especially for people with autism, as I've been discussing on another thread. Maybe mix in a bit of the Camphill movement ideas. Once we have that, we can progressively enlarge it, until it becomes somekind of university/village hybrid - there's a case to be made for including farming space and forest gardens from the very beginning, given that we may get some people who want to do farming, and the therapeutic nature of forest gardens.



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05 Sep 2010, 11:18 pm

Magneto, welcome back, It is good to see you here again.

I personally believe that an Aspie academy would be a wonderful idea, and probably would be a high priority for any aspie community. As you've pointed out on your other thread, a residental (dorm) setting allows for students who are not in easy communting distance to attend the academy. Actually, since the most likely Aspie community settings would be in a comparatively remote area, a residential model is by far the most viable model.

PrOphET, while I believe that Inventor's comment was sarcasm directed at the point that 3 Million aspies may have different views, I doubt that there will be only one aspie community. Yes, there will be a first aspie community somewhere, but I'm sure there will be other communities in different climates.



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06 Sep 2010, 11:07 am

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I think it would be cool to put together cash, buy a private island,

Trying to rebuild Atlantis..? 8)

We need someone to start developing these ideas into the physical world. I know Inventors doing something; is anyone else?

Hmmm. I'm quite taken with the Academy idea, with farmland and cottages around it. I might spin it into a story, with single people living in dorms in the academy, and families in the cottages. I might be able to set it on Terra as well, if I exercise enough willpower, instead of placing it on the planet Aspergia... nah, I'm already going to be writing a Sci-Fi story with that planet, it would make an interesting feature.



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07 Sep 2010, 8:39 pm

Magneto wrote:

Hmmm. I'm quite taken with the Academy idea, with farmland and cottages around it. I might spin it into a story, with single people living in dorms in the academy, and families in the cottages. I might be able to set it on Terra as well, if I exercise enough willpower, instead of placing it on the planet Aspergia... nah, I'm already going to be writing a Sci-Fi story with that planet, it would make an interesting feature.


As a practical question, what would an active Aspie Academy be geared towards teaching?



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08 Sep 2010, 6:39 am

Wouldn't Religions send Missionaries to convert us? if so can we have a "shoot on sight" law?

What about gun laws? I am assuming we don't want them but If we do and we need to defend ourselves from Invasion (maybe from a religion that doesn't like the shoot on sight law).

I don't think that we would have a military but maybe a treaty like japan's,(only enough forces to defend and america defends them if needed)



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08 Sep 2010, 3:39 pm

An aspie island sounds interesting, but I've learned to adapt fairly well in the NT world. If this ever happens, I would love to visit, but I don't think I'll live there.



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09 Sep 2010, 10:26 am

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As a practical question, what would an active Aspie Academy be geared towards teaching?

Everything? More geared towards learning everything, if you know what I mean...



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11 Sep 2010, 4:21 pm

I'm tempted to spin off this topic to a new topic "Aspie Community", but we already have so many of those and this topic is active.

What would an Aspie community contribute to the world, here in September 2010? A place for Aspies to live, an Aspie Academy, what else?



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16 Sep 2010, 2:23 pm

I think that Seasteading might apply here. Seasteading means building communities on the ocean. Floating islands, oil platform type "islands", etc, are all forms of platforms. Seasteading is relatively cheap, if you get out far enough into the ocean, you are in unclaimed waters, and the ocean is huge and pretty untapped. The Seasteading Institute is researching this, and there is a bunch of information on their website.



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16 Sep 2010, 7:59 pm

SuperMario, seasteading has some serious drawbacks. The main drawback is that you have to maintain an entire utility (electricity, water, waste, communications, etc.) network out at sea. Perhaps it's one thing to put a wifi network on a cruise ship, but cruise ships are not cheap, and they only have to run for a few days without stopping in port.



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17 Sep 2010, 5:46 am

AgentPalpatine, electricity generation and maintaining supply aren't really problems that you would encounter, assuming that the community is desinged the right way. The waves and wind out at sea have many times more energy than you would need, and supply can be maintained through trade (no place can become 100% self-sufficient). A seastead doesn't need to be big, and one can be made within a budget of 100,000 dollars. Seasteading doesn't really involve cruise ships, nor do the platforms resemble them, they would probably be moored in one location. The true problem, though, is engineering a structure well enough to stand up to the energy of rogue waves. I know that the whole seasteading idea sounds pretty unrealistic, but this Aspie Nation idea is pretty unrealistic to begin with.



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17 Sep 2010, 7:59 am

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AgentPalpatine, electricity generation and maintaining supply aren't really problems that you would encounter, assuming that the community is desinged the right way. The waves and wind out at sea have many times more energy than you would need, and supply can be maintained through trade (no place can become 100% self-sufficient). A seastead doesn't need to be big, and one can be made within a budget of 100,000 dollars. Seasteading doesn't really involve cruise ships, nor do the platforms resemble them, they would probably be moored in one location. The true problem, though, is engineering a structure well enough to stand up to the energy of rogue waves. I know that the whole seasteading idea sounds pretty unrealistic, but this Aspie Nation idea is pretty unrealistic to begin with.


SuperMario, is there any chance you could provide a link to the $100,000 design? Please feel free to PM the link to me if WP does not allow the link to be posted.

I used cruise ships as the easiest comparision to the amount of logistics required to support a community at sea for periods longer than a day or two. What sort of trade goods, even software-based, can be produced in an enviroment of such a low infrustructure density?

I would have prefered the name of "Aspie Community" for this thread, but the principals that have been discussed in this thread are close enough for both. There are no known problems that would block an Aspie Community, it appears that the only reason there is not an Aspie Community yet, is because there has not been a successful attempt to put the resources together to establish one.

As Inventor has noted, the first version of anything is expensive. I would expect the same for a Seasteading community.



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21 Sep 2010, 9:57 am

From observing the manner in which some of us with AS treat others here at the WP, I am not sure I would recommend an AS nation. There appears to be among us a small group of AS people who are intolerant for differing views and opinions on things---which includes religion of course. One can respectfully state he or she is a Christian and be insulted with disrespectful remarks that are meant to harm. Then if you defend your personal belief on whatever topic it is, you can get ganged up on by other AS members. I have also found a lot of NT bashing to be inappropriate. It is almost like some are suggesting we with AS as a supremacy group.

I am just ranting a little---sorry. But I do think an AS nation would be a hotbed for disrespectul arguing. Many of us are "bull-headed" when it comes to what we believe is right. And expecting others to believe the way we do is a part of AS. We expect others to follow the rules as we follow them. But if it were a place where we more or less kept to ourselves, then it could be a peaceful place---I guess.


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21 Sep 2010, 11:48 am

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From observing the manner in which some of us with AS treat others here at the WP, I am not sure I would recommend an AS nation. There appears to be among us a small group of AS people who are intolerant for differing views and opinions on things---which includes religion of course. One can respectfully state he or she is a Christian and be insulted with disrespectful remarks that are meant to harm. Then if you defend your personal belief on whatever topic it is, you can get ganged up on by other AS members. I have also found a lot of NT bashing to be inappropriate. It is almost like some are suggesting we with AS as a supremacy group.

I am just ranting a little---sorry. But I do think an AS nation would be a hotbed for disrespectul arguing. Many of us are "bull-headed" when it comes to what we believe is right. And expecting others to believe the way we do is a part of AS. We expect others to follow the rules as we follow them. But if it were a place where we more or less kept to ourselves, then it could be a peaceful place---I guess.


On the other hand, having the guts to speak the truth(or at least ones opinion) alleviates some of societies problems. If the world at large were a little more honest with each other, there wouldnt be so much subterfuge, bacroom deals and second guessing. As one of the religious people here said "The atheists can dish it out, but they seem to be able to take it too."


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21 Sep 2010, 12:01 pm

I agree Fuzzy, I just feel it should be done with respect and not with insulting remarks that belittle people.


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21 Sep 2010, 8:33 pm

glider18 wrote:
From observing the manner in which some of us with AS treat others here at the WP, I am not sure I would recommend an AS nation. There appears to be among us a small group of AS people who are intolerant for differing views and opinions on things---which includes religion of course. One can respectfully state he or she is a Christian and be insulted with disrespectful remarks that are meant to harm. Then if you defend your personal belief on whatever topic it is, you can get ganged up on by other AS members. I have also found a lot of NT bashing to be inappropriate. It is almost like some are suggesting we with AS as a supremacy group.

I am just ranting a little---sorry. But I do think an AS nation would be a hotbed for disrespectul arguing. Many of us are "bull-headed" when it comes to what we believe is right. And expecting others to believe the way we do is a part of AS. We expect others to follow the rules as we follow them. But if it were a place where we more or less kept to ourselves, then it could be a peaceful place---I guess.


Glider, MOST people, NT and AS alike, argue in such a fashion. Look at the studies of people sorting themselves into groups by common beliefs, and not even considering other viewports. The reason why it is more noticable on WP is because this is the only place most individuals with AS feel safe argueing, they will not be looked down upon (or far far worse).

I could theorize that the AS community would calmer because individuals would have more oppertunities to see other viewpoints, and other safe ways of expressing viewpoints. It's a theory, but one that cannot be tested outside of such an Aspie community.

:humor: I'd happily apply for research grants to test such a theory.