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Oren
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03 Sep 2010, 5:59 pm

It does not sound like fun.


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03 Sep 2010, 6:40 pm

Sometimes people will find "fun" in something simplistic if they are all bored together, its usually a way to pretend they are having a fun time, when they are actually bored as f**k.

The truth of the matter of all those big social groups you see drinking and walking around and s**t together are most likely bored until someone takes out the camera and uploads pictures of them all happy, smiley and go lucky together on Facebook/Myspace to make it look like they are having a fabulous time. Its pretty pathetic.



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03 Sep 2010, 6:53 pm

Determinism wrote:
I feel you, PunkyKat. Most NTs find social interaction a very rewarding experience. Most NTs are also extroverts (about 75% of them) and seek high stimulation. Combine social interaction with a highly-stimulating environment and you've got a great experience for your typical NT (such as the experience you've described), and a nightmare for your typical person on the autistic spectrum.


thats a good explanation! That explains a lot! I would be very angry if I was pulled into a hazing ritual.... even if it was just water balloons. Its rude and stressful, and not fun.


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10 Sep 2010, 1:01 pm

I think some of the thinking behind it is...
bonding is important for our group,
people get to know each other and bond faster in adverse situations
ergo, let's all create some unnecessary adversity!

I do understand the need to share experiences. Getting caught in a rainstorm is an example of something that is difficult but an interesting experience to share and something to talk about later. Having a stranger throw something at you whether you want it or not, is not a shared experience, it's a form of assault. If you were throwing a water balloon at a politician or celebrity to make a political point you would probably be arrested, so this is also an example of "those crazy college kids" being given special treatment.

Water coming at you is very much a sensory issue, which is why I had such a love/hate relationship with swimming pools when I was a kid. I loved floating, and the sensation of weightlessness, and even being surrounded by the water, once I transitioned into it, but there was always some kid who would get off on splashing everyone else, which was always overwhelming. I think NTs need to know that for someone with sensory issues, such things are not so much "annoying" as overwhelming and its about as obnoxious as tripping someone with crutches.

@Determinism concerning the 75% extroversion, and @Tenzinsmom, concerning "What you call NT, I call Western":

That 75% is, as far as I can tell, among NTs in the United States, so you will find different numbers in other cultures. In Japan, for example, there are more introverts than extroverts. Of course, I would also guess that there are differences between cultures in the percent of people on the spectrum and in definitions of what would be considered NT. Tenzinsmom, if you have lived in the east, I would be interested in reading about some of your experiences there.



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10 Sep 2010, 1:10 pm

Once, I was in a boat on a school trip with a few other people from my class. This was ages ago, before I even knew about Asperger's. We were on the sea and one of the boat drivers (or whatever the real name for them is :P ) made the boat hit a wave on purpose so everyone inside got soaked. Needless to say, it was utterly horrible. I simply didn't understand how everyone else found it fun. :?

It leads me to believe that all humans have not only sadistic qualities in their nature (as I always say, all humans are sadists, it's just the truth), but they seem to be masochistic too.

They're interesting to observe. Not too fun to be involved with, though.



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10 Sep 2010, 1:17 pm

As an NT I don't find these examples funny at all. I would never laugh at another person's predicament or humiliation. Funny words, puns and sounds make me laugh.



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10 Sep 2010, 1:48 pm

Yeah, I don't get the enjoyment of being hazed either. Does being laughed at and humiliated equate to enjoyment for these people? I'd flip a lid if somebody tried to haze me, in good nature or not. I don't need to put up with any more abuse than I deal with already on a regular basis.



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10 Sep 2010, 2:01 pm

ElfMusic wrote:
I think some of the thinking behind it is...
bonding is important for our group,
people get to know each other and bond faster in adverse situations
ergo, let's all create some unnecessary adversity!

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This is it exactly.

They also choose a situation which is only mildly adverse (if you don't have sensory issues about that sort of thing) which adds to the fun. I've done this and what can I say? It was fun.



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10 Sep 2010, 4:30 pm

This sounds bad, but mild compared to what I've observed at College.

I have seen people drinking mixed up alcholic beverages through giant funnels.
Drinking games are banned, but people still did them at College events.
When the teachers weren't looking, they'd strip off in public and engage in lewd lap dancing rituals.
Afterwards, they watch the football, sing and beat each other up for amusement.
They would be sick all over the upholstery the toilets and the corridors.
They'd write disparaging messages on people's door whiteboards.
The girlfriends would give their boyfriends black eyes and slap the Bouncers in the face.

I am sorry, but this is a major reason why I decided to drop out.
Not because of academics, but because I was surrounded by drunk abusive people.
That sadly included the people who marked my work.

If people asked me how I got on at College, what am I supposed to do, lie?

I used to love the idea of having fun and having a party.
I have nothing against people having one or two drinks and being a little silly, but this is ridiculous.
When people are binge drinking so much that they could potentially choke on their own vomit.

The jibber on and on so I can't understand what they're saying or relate to them properly.
I can't bond with them because they're so plastered. It's a great shame.

I don't get it. Why do people want to make themselves ill?

I'm learning from home now.
All of the stupidity, arm-wrestling, cat-fights and drunken posturing just aren't worth it.



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10 Sep 2010, 6:30 pm

This is why I am staying with my parents until vet school. My brother moved out of the dorm becuase he couldn't stand the frat boy shenagains either. I just hope vet school students don't act like clowns during classes. One "class clown" is okay I guess but just one and definiatly not in a vet school class.


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10 Sep 2010, 6:41 pm

HAHAHA "total moist carnage"



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10 Sep 2010, 8:13 pm

Well, Actually I remember all of us kids pelting a staff member of the Boys and Girls club with water balloons. He actually enjoyed it because he promised us that we can throw WB's at him if we get good grades. :lol: He's a tough NT though so it was just for fun.


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10 Sep 2010, 10:20 pm

Most people wouldn't think living with a territorial mongoose (the OP's oft stated desire) sounds like much fun either, just to flip things around a bit. Different strokes and all.


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11 Sep 2010, 12:01 am

I have no idea any neurotype is incapable of seeing this concept as fun, but I dont think thats fun either, lol..and it sounds to me that the being pelted with water balloons was actually something the upperclass wanted to do, and you werent going to be left out of classes if you didnt participate...they cant do that...the initiation is not *literally* "mandatory".

I,nfact, we had something similar for *end* of the school year, (and people started a silly current events <events in *their* life> thread on it (well it was..water/stink bombs..dont ask) in an aspie forum and others liked the idea, others didnt) and the aspie I know of (i know of only one in my specific grade for sure so far, idk about other suspects) liked the idea. I cant think of any way how aspies are immune to seeing this as fun. Maybe less will but only because there are more NTs than aspies in the world from what I hear and possibly more NTs on that campus or whatever it is. (if less aspies happen to like that because they themselves actually dont like it, it is just coincidental statistics)But for all I know there could have been a few aspies there. Just saying. theres always plenty of people who arent willing to get wet or pelted with water balloons when crap like that happens no matter what neurotype . Im one of those people who dont think is fun either.
Sorry but I just cant help to correct it when people put names or types on things and its actually irrelevant in truth. Im working on it.



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11 Sep 2010, 5:09 am

Aren't NT's suppose to be less sensitive than aspies? I wonder if that makes being pelted by water balloons enjoyable? Or maybe it's to do with acceptance. They obey the 'rules' in order to become accepted into the group?

Aspies usually obey their own rules and I'm sure none would have a rule to pelt themselves with water balloons.



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11 Sep 2010, 6:14 am

Can't say that'd be something that I would enjoy. I absolutely HATE getting wet when I'm not expecting it, especially when I am fully clothed. :?