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jojobean
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19 Nov 2010, 4:18 am

Is there a reason you are going into journalism?
That would be very hard to appeal to the mind of the majority which is NT's
Is there a way you can develop your own voice or do teachers discourage that?

You know there really needs to be fresh perspectives in journalism rather than rehashing the same s*** over and over again.
Maybe you can convince your teachers that thinking outside the box is what creativity is all about...right.
Explain to them that you have AS and that impacts how you see the world, and a fresh perspective might not be a bad thing. You really cant think like the average person, but you can invite others to experience your perspective through journalism. People with autism have an uncommon sense about things, but sometimes a different view is needed to see something fully.

Try that, and see if that works.


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19 Nov 2010, 12:48 pm

Clyde wrote:
pensieve wrote:
tyliseea wrote:
i wonder how you see the world differently. there are apparently many different ways to perceive the world, so i just don't get how seeing differently is a "bad" thing.

It's a bad thing when people expect you to be a certain way but even though you try you can't. It's bad when people make fun of you and exclude you.
It's a bad thing when every sense gets overwhelmed, when you lose control over things that NT's don't.
When you're an adult but don't feel like one.
And like the OP says: when you alienate people even if you don't want to.

Actually it's not a bad thing. I'd hate to live in a shallow world where acceptance is determined by what you wear, what music you listen to and just how 'in the loop' you are.


This.


i can see maybe now how i don't understand how you see differently, and i didn't understand your initial post as meaning that you were supposed to think like the mob for a class assignment. i thought you just meant thinking like the mob in general, and i didn't get why you would need to think like that. that's why i asked how you see the world, so i could understand.

still, i would think that if you have been diagnosed as having aspergers, why are you not getting the help that you need? do your parents help you? and the teachers should be. do you get any "services" to help you, like a counselor to help you learn coping skills? or an educational psychologist to help you with your work and be a liaison or advocate for you?

i would also say to focus on your strengths, and do what you can, and don't focus too much on your weaknesses. that's the best that anyone can do. there is some baseline of being human that you are, and i would begin with that foundation, and focus on how you are the same, rather than different.

i have trouble understanding people in my personal life, when it comes to relationships, motives, etc., but i am able to use my imagination to do that, which is probably inaccurate anyway. is it the case that you not able to imagine? i realize that may be a stupid question, but i kind of lack common sense. i think i do have traits of aspergers (or something), but maybe not all of them, i've read it's a spectrum. my half sister was diagnosed with aspergers and my cousin has autism, and our family is OCD and quirky to say the least. maybe i just don't notice the differences bc i just don't. i have trouble with that.

if you lack imagination, i am not sure what to do about that. yeah actually, i have no idea how the mob would think, bc i don't know enough about them i guess. maybe reading a book or a wikipedia article about the mob would help?

obviously someone here with more experience would be better able to help you. i would wonder why you would be held accountable for doing an assignment like that in the first place.



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19 Nov 2010, 1:42 pm

jojobean wrote:
Is there a reason you are going into journalism?
That would be very hard to appeal to the mind of the majority which is NT's
Is there a way you can develop your own voice or do teachers discourage that?


I chose journalism because I wanted the broader form of journalism. I don't want to write for newspapers, I don't want to write for magazines. I don't want in any which way to write for the LCD [lowest common denominator]. I want to write for independent sources, who do accept fresh perspectives. I want to write with a sense of logic. I wanted to get into journalism because I wanted to be an investigative journalist. Someone who studies an event and writes about it. Like The Cove, Food Inc., Gasland, etc. Things of thta nature.
The teacher and I are not on good terms. He discounts my opinion all the time. He questions my authority. And he's really really rude towards me. He's icing me out because of my "fresh" perspective.

tyliseea wrote:
still, i would think that if you have been diagnosed as having aspergers, why are you not getting the help that you need? do your parents help you? and the teachers should be. do you get any "services" to help you, like a counselor to help you learn coping skills? or an educational psychologist to help you with your work and be a liaison or advocate for you?

i have trouble understanding people in my personal life, when it comes to relationships, motives, etc., but i am able to use my imagination to do that, which is probably inaccurate anyway. is it the case that you not able to imagine?


I'm in a difficult situation. I read up on Aspergers and all the development of Aspergers. And I realized how close that fit me. How close every single one of those traits have been there ever since my childhood. I need an official diagnosis. However, my parents don't believe I have Aspergers. Well dad acknowledges it, but he had a mild case when he was younger and he got through it. He thinks I can do the same, just get over it. Mom instead mocks me and laughs at me because she doesn't think I have Aspergers. Right now, I can't and don't have the kind of money [my own money] to be able to make an appointment and get diagnosed.
It isn't that I lack imagination. I try to think like the crowd and it makes no sense. Sometimes I can imagine it. But the logical side of my brain comes budding in. And instead I rip apart the mob's world. Because its illogical and lacks some common sense. It frustrates me because it really is a strange and illogical thing.

For example in journalism.

My teacher: You never want the reader to go to the dictionary

Me: okay

My brain: Wait a minute! Why wouldn't you do that? That's dumb and stupid. Isn't the point of knowledge and learning. Why don't we want people to expand their vocabulary?

I try to think like the mob. But that just seems ridiculous.



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25 Nov 2010, 10:17 pm

i think that if you want to do anything, you can do it.

apparently the only thing to do with aspergers is coping, so maybe you don't need a diagnosis. have you read any books about aspergers? about how to cope with it, not just to try to determine if you do have it. and maybe, you don't need to focus on "coping" and being like others. i think coping comes naturally. what doesn't come naturally is seeing the world the way other people do, and you DON'T NEED TO!! ! there have been many people in human history who are different thinkers, the world needs them.

hehe. i think people, no matter if they are "normal" or not, go towards what they are good at.
i think you should focus on what are you good at - be you, as i think i wrote before. if something isn't working, dump it, and do what you're good at.

i think there may be an issue with getting too stuck on one particular thing you want to do though. you are young and your ideas may change. just focus on doing what you're good at, and you will come into something. things don't always happen by planning them. i really like your idea of writing for independent sources though, investigative journalism. you don't have to appeal to NT's to do that. there are "NT's" who are logical. logic is very useful. and the independent sources like unconventional thinking. what about searching out those independent publications? you can make a living as a freelance writer. i think people get paid writing some poorly written articles. if they can do that, then you can surely do something with your thoughts.

i don't get this difference thing between NT and AS sometimes. maybe AS means unconventional? if so, there's nothing wrong with that. "AS" people are successful in the world, and i think have probably contributed greatly to it.

as for your teacher, idk. don't be thwarted by resistance. people will give all sorts of negativity, and it's just futile. if they're not helping, i ignore them. you find some way around them. positivity is key. yeah, why would you let ONE PERSON affect your determination like that?!

hehe. i'm not sure what "icing" out means - i'm sure it's something not good. i am cautious of people like that, as i'm sure all people are. that's horrible too, what kind of teacher does that?! they're supposed to ENCOURAGE critical thinking, your growth, etc.

maybe it's also that you need time to develop. bc if aspergers is a PDD/developmental disorder, it will take time. and, i think something like the human brain isn't fully developed until age 25 anyway. you have time. relax! you will learn more about the world and how it works, and your mind will open more. maybe try to get UNSTUCK from this......get out of the details, see things in context. see the positive. do you do that?

i think you will be fine. trust yourself.