Are you a textbook example of Autism?

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04 Jan 2011, 11:11 am

Janissy wrote:
It sounds like you don't actually disagree with b9 or his doctor. b9 said his doctor called it "self-ism" which your above paragraph describes. If the doctor actually meant "selfish" or "narcissist", don't you think s/he would have used those words rather than this neologism which is more accurate than either of them?


As I said in a later post, I was reacting to what I incorrectly perceived as condescension by the doctor.


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04 Jan 2011, 10:31 pm

Through the years I have lost many traits related to the AS, but I still mantain a few of them. For example, I'm not good expressing my emotions, I prefer to do things like reading, playing videogames, etc than hanging out with people and going to parties. But I don't have many problems with eye contact, I have a good sense of humor and many others things that aren't in the AS diagnosis.

I'm very selective with my friends, they usually must share many of my interests and personality features, but sometimes I want to be a little more "friendly" with the people near of me, and for my "rigidity" I usually fail.

The AS is a very complex disorder and each person with it will be unique, him or her will not have all the symptons described in the general diagnosis.



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04 Jan 2011, 11:30 pm

I don't know, it sounds circular to me -- "He's more autistic because he's self-ist and he knows autism is self-ism because he's more autistic." :?

Not that autism can't cause that. But I don't think it's inherently more autistic than other configurations. Donna Williams talks of autistic people frequently being aware of "no self, no other," or "all self, no other," or "all other, no self", but having trouble combining "self AND other". That sounds more right to me, rather than seeing one or the other as inherently "more autistic".

Personally I've been all of those (and still cycle between them).

As far as the actual topic, I tried to write something but got confused. There's too many textbooks. I tried to read a couple classic-but-clueless one's and got too bogged down in the details, especially since there's no single "textbook autistic person". Some of my traits are not "textbook" now, but were 40 years ago. And as usual I have trouble thinking and functioning within ideas so distant from reality, so I just stopped. I certainly saw a lot of myself in a book by Lorna Wing, IIRC.


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04 Jan 2011, 11:38 pm

anbuend wrote:
Donna Williams talks of autistic people frequently being aware of "no self, no other," or "all self, no other," or "all other, no self", but having trouble combining "self AND other". That sounds more right to me, rather than seeing one or the other as inherently "more autistic".

Personally I've been all of those (and still cycle between them).


I tried explaining this feeling of non-self to the psychologist doing my evaluation. I remember being mostly all other/no self or no self/no other right up through my late teens. I like this phrasing. I might try again explaining it to him using it.


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05 Jan 2011, 2:30 am

wavefreak58 wrote:
If autism is about self it is because that is virtually the only thing an autistic knows. They can't PERCEIVE the things that let people develop such things as empathy and Theory of Mind. I don't see autistics as self centered or even self absorbed, but rather bounded by their perception so that all they can know is self. If the only data coming in is bounded by self, then that is all that you can learn and all that will motivate your behavior.

I agree.
Hmm, I wonder if the NT's I tell the self obsessedness about when I refer to autism they take it as selfish? I should change my wording.


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05 Jan 2011, 9:05 am

anbuend wrote:
Donna Williams talks of autistic people frequently being aware of "no self, no other," or "all self, no other," or "all other, no self", but having trouble combining "self AND other".
That's really very concise and I'm going to keep it somewhere so I remember it.


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