Jared Loughner is an aspie?

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Yes, both before and after.

If that were true, how did these neighbors know so much about them? The truth does come out, eventually. People might say "I don't know anything about them," and the next sentence they describe what the Loughners had for Sunday dinner. That's so typical and if you pay close attention to the media, they do this sort of thing all the time . It's where the media trips itself up. It becomes glaringly obvious these people are not loners and others might have known what they are capable of ahead of time, maybe even feeding it. I am convinced the guy on CNN who was talking about them knew them before and after. That contradicts the myth they were loners.

Everyone distancing themselves was my point there, and yes, the media simply helps. Otherwise, "society" might have some kind of responsibility there either before or after something tragic actually takes place.

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Well actually that neighbour did not even know their last name before the incident (they only knew the son's name was Jared). They only spent significant time speaking after the incident, and the Loughners have not left the house since. None of the neighbours really knew them, and even testified that they never let Jared out to play when he was young, and they would see him staring out the window.

I'm not buying the part about them not speaking before this happened. They aren't talking now because attorneys have cautioned them against it, just like Jared isn't talking to the authorities while awaiting his hearings. They certainly do know about this sort of thing, which makes you wonder...

It doesseem like a coverup.

Just because they didn't let him out to play when young doesn't mean they were loners. It doesn't mean Jared's one, either. Plenty of people do not let their kids wonder around neighborhoods unsupervised...it could be dangerous. He could have socialized at school.

Who knows, maybe later, in a few years, one of those neighbors will write a book about what they know. If they keep quiet now, they can market the book later

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It really doesn't seem like a cover-up... the guy was clearly schizophrenic. There's nothing to cover up here in the first place.

I don't know if he's a schizophrenic. The media is trying to convince us he is, but we don't know that for certain. You have to look at the inconsistencies. If he is so mentally ill and irrational, why does he not talk in jail? Being worldly enough to protect one's interests while awaiting trial does not indicate someone is mentally ill. It is an indication someone is well aware of what's going on, the gravity of the situation, and they did something they knew would get them in trouble, later.

The evidence clearly shows that he's schizophrenic. The content on his YouTube channel can be described as nothing but schizophrenic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Lee_Loughner). And there's dozens, if not hundreds of people from the community that can testify to this.

There's simply no factual basis to what you're saying here. I suppose you can believe what you like though. Whatever floats your boat.

I don't know if the Youtube videos are an indication of schizophrenia. There's all sorts of weird stuff on Youtube, some of it they actually call art, so how can you go by what people put on Youtube? Look truthfully at his life and the people in it. Don't try to cover up anything that incriminates the far right and you will have the entire picture.

The media is trying to put him in this mold.

They try to put every killer in this same mold. Maybe a fraction of them fit, but, like it or not, there are plenty of psychopathic killers who plot with their friends and are not loners. They are dangerous individuals whom no one stops. That's just a part of reality.

It would be nice if the media would be truthful about their existence and report them for what they are instead of feeding these stereotypes.
The truth is, people are far more dangerous in groups than they are alone. Look at what the world has experienced when groups of people clash...

Are you aware of the symptoms of schizophrenia? Dude, read his YouTube entry!

The illogical connections and language that he uses alone are a huge red flag. You don't see this sort of thing from any other disorder, except maybe a profound intellectual disability, and he made it to college, so I don't think that's possible.

Never mind that there is an agenda to mandate psych testing on everyone as a "precautionary" measure.

Problem is, everyone could be given a Dx for any number of disorders in the DSM...conveniently becoming a reason to deny then the right to own a firearm.

Gun control via the back door.

Oh how lovely. BTW in Florida they are wanting to make it law that if you own a gun (with a licnese of course) you should be able to carry it out in the open!! One of the main things I learned in General Psychology 1 out of 4 people have some form of Mental Illness. I think that's a sad statistic honestly. This will be a big deal for a few weeks then as people recover including that congress lady people will forget and move on as always. (Personally I rather be dead!) Shot in the head obviously is going to come out with some major issues and handicaps!! !! No thank you!! !! !

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I suppose E-dx is as far as we can go here, trying to make sense of senseless, deliberate terror.

This human being was definitely delusional, paranoid and violent in his rantings and behaviour. So why did not anyone say anything? Perhaps someone did...but the way it is and the time it takes to make a case when there is a case also for free speech means there are others out there, ticking time bombs about to do other mass/serial murders. And there are others who do look the other way, living in the delusional hope it is all just a case of "What me, worry?"

May this horror be a wake up call that to be a little more vigilant might not be such a bad idea.

I am reminded of an old tale of a man who was driving down a road next to a mental hospital, when he got a flat tire. Like most motorists, as he removed the lug nuts, he put them into his upturned hubcap. As he put the spare on, he noticed one of the inmates was staring at him. This rattled him so much, he accidentally stepped on the edge of the hubcap, sending the nuts flying into a field. He stared at the car in despair, wondering how he was going to put the spare on now.

The inmate spoke up. "Take one from each of the others," he said.

"What?"

"Take one nut from each of the other wheels. That will give you three nuts holding on each wheel, and that'll get you to a store where you can buy more lug nuts."

"Thanks!" the man replied. "You know, if you don't mind my saying so, that's some pretty clear thinking for - well - someone in your position. What are you doing in there?"

"I'm crazy, not stupid."

Lougher's crazy, not stupid.

Possibly so, but that does not guarantee his calculated behaviour is actually sane and rational.

Well, relax and realize that that statistic isn't very intellectually honest.

"Mental Illness" covers many things that perfectly sane people experience regularly at different times in life. Most of which present no danger to the general public. The psychiatry profession is just like the legal profession...doing much to create more work for themselves.