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Do you think that the MMR vaccine causes autism?
Poll ended at 07 Feb 2012, 1:50 pm
Yes 5%  5%  [ 6 ]
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No 45%  45%  [ 59 ]
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07 Feb 2011, 1:50 pm

Have a look at these links, the Daily mail published an article about a new paper backing up Dr Wakefields finding that the MMR vaccine is involved in autism

http://www.oxfordradcliffe.nhs.uk/resea ... e-help.pdf with equation for power

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... utism.html

Scientists fear MMR link to autism

By SALLY BECK, Mail on Sunday

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New American research shows that there could be a link between the controversial MMR triple vaccine and autism and bowel disease in children.

The study appears to confirm the findings of British doctor Andrew Wakefield, who caused a storm in 1998 by suggesting a possible link.

Now a team from the Wake Forest University School of Medicine in North Carolina are examining 275 children with regressive autism and bowel disease - and of the 82 tested so far, 70 prove positive for the measles virus.

Last night the team's leader, Dr Stephen Walker, said: 'Of the handful of results we have in so far, all are vaccine strain and none are wild measles.

'This research proves that in the gastrointestinal tract of a number of children who have been diagnosed with regressive autism, there is evidence of measles virus.

'What it means is that the study done earlier by Dr Wakefield and published in 1998 is correct. That study didn’t draw any conclusions about specifically what it means to find measles virus in the gut, but the implication is it may be coming from the MMR vaccine. If that’s the case, and this live virus is residing in the gastrointestinal tract of some children, and then they have GI inflammation and other problems, it may be related to the MMR.'

The 1998 study by Dr Wakefield, then a reader in gastroenterology at the Royal Free Hospital in North London, and 12 other doctors claimed to have found a new bowel disease, autism enterocolitis.

At the time, Dr Wakefield said that although they had not proved a link between MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) and autism, there was cause for concern and the Government should offer the option single vaccines - instead of only MMRs - until more research had been done.

The paper - and the confused interpretation of its findings - caused uproar and led to many parents withdrawing their co-operation for the triple jab. Ten of the paper's authors also signed retractions on the interpretation but stood by the science.

This is the second independent study to back up Dr Wakefield. In 2001 John O'Leary, Professor of Pathology at St James's Hospital and Trinity College, Dublin, replicated his findings.

Last night Dr Wakefield said: 'This new study confirms what we found in British children and again with Professor O'Leary. The only exposure these children have had to measles is through the MMR vaccine.

'They were developing normally until they regressed. They now suffer autism and bowel disease.

'The Department of Health and some of the media wanted to dismiss our research as insignificant. The excuse was that no one else had the same findings as us. What they didn't say is that no one else had looked.'

A spokesman for the Department of Health said they had not read the American report, but added: 'MMR remains the best form of protection against measles, mumps and rubella.'

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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1DIdb9yZY

these links should be helpful
Professor O'Leary

http://briandeer.com/mmr/oleary-statement.htm

The Open University has a large section on MMR
http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/mod/ouconte ... tion=1.8.4



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07 Feb 2011, 1:58 pm

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Now a team from the Wake Forest University School of Medicine in North Carolina are examining 275 children with regressive autism and bowel disease - and of the 82 tested so far, 70 prove positive for the measles virus.

Last night the team's leader, Dr Stephen Walker, said: 'Of the handful of results we have in so far, all are vaccine strain and none are wild measles.

'This research proves that in the gastrointestinal tract of a number of children who have been diagnosed with regressive autism, there is evidence of measles virus.


Good lord. Any basic statistics course would reveal the flaw in this. Without showing a statistical variance from a control (perhaps it is there but not elucidated?) this means nothing.

What is the frequency of measles virus in non-autistic children? Considering that vaccination rates are very high, would it be surprising to find that it would be 90% or more - amazingly similar to the frequency in autistic children?

Causality and correlation are not automatically linked.

I really wonder who has an agenda here. Could it be that the anti-vaccination crowd is just as agenda driven as the largest of big pharma companies?

Na. They're pure in heart, only thinking of what's best for me and my children.


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07 Feb 2011, 2:09 pm

Using similar methodology, it can be shown that the majority of serial killers (>90%) drank milk in childhood. Therefore, drinking milk must make you a serial killer!


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07 Feb 2011, 2:20 pm

Bull hockey. As stupid as the guy who tried to link newborn circumcision with autism.



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07 Feb 2011, 2:22 pm

The Daily Mail is not a reputable source for anything other than misinformed bile about foreigners.



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07 Feb 2011, 3:21 pm

Bill Gates on the subject:

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/02/0 ... ld.health/

Gates: Well, Dr. Wakefield has been shown to have used absolutely fraudulent data. He had a financial interest in some lawsuits, he created a fake paper, the journal allowed it to run. All the other studies were done, showed no connection whatsoever again and again and again. So it’s an absolute lie that has killed thousands of kids. Because the mothers who heard that lie, many of them didn’t have their kids take either pertussis or measles vaccine, and their children are dead today. And so the people who go and engage in those anti-vaccine efforts—you know, they, they kill children. It’s a very sad thing, because these vaccines are important.


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07 Feb 2011, 3:30 pm

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The Daily Mail is not a reputable source for anything other than misinformed bile about foreigners.


Yep, hence its nickname of "The Daily Fail".



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07 Feb 2011, 4:27 pm

Are you aware the Wakefield studies are proven fraud?

The guy is forbidden in practicing Medicine in the USA.


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07 Feb 2011, 4:40 pm

Didn't Wakefield admit he was wrong?

We talked about this in my bio class - the number surveyed was too small to mean anything significant and there was a huge bias on part of the parents and Wakefield. His paper was retracted. Why bother searching for "new evidence" if the guy admitted he was wrong and the paper was retracted?



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07 Feb 2011, 4:42 pm

I voted no.


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07 Feb 2011, 4:49 pm

Voted no. My son has had no vaccines has AS.



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07 Feb 2011, 4:53 pm

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Voted no. My son has had no vaccines has AS.


Come to think of it, my immunity to mumps came after I caught it. How is it that I am on the spectrum? No vaccine to blame. Mom must have dropped me on my head.


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07 Feb 2011, 5:13 pm

corroonb wrote:
The Daily Mail is not a reputable source for anything other than misinformed bile about foreigners.

And benefit scroungers. Don't forget benefit scroungers, stealing all YOUR money.

And it's properly known as the Waily Wail, or the Daily Heil. :D



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07 Feb 2011, 5:32 pm

oddone wrote:
corroonb wrote:
The Daily Mail is not a reputable source for anything other than misinformed bile about foreigners.

And benefit scroungers. Don't forget benefit scroungers, stealing all YOUR money.

And it's properly known as the Waily Wail, or the Daily Heil. :D


IS THE LABOUR PARTY STEALING FROM YOU?
WILL BINGE DRINKING DEFRAUD THE QUEEN?
WILL DUMBING-DOWN GIVE HOMEOWNERS DIABETES?

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07 Feb 2011, 5:47 pm

The Daily Mail is known for lying. It should never be taken seriously.

That so called research happened too soon after Wakefield was discredited to have actually happened. 275 children? Give me a break.
The timing is just a little bit convenient, don't you think?


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07 Feb 2011, 5:50 pm

This article, and the paper that spawned it, are from 2006! The researcher himself also states that the conclusion that the OP is trying to draw is incorrect. For a better evisceration of this:

http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_d ... fears.html

So, to summarize, it isn't new, and it isn't evidence.