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23 Mar 2011, 5:39 pm

Delirium wrote:

Mozart and Einstein had Asperger's? I didn't know you could diagnose people from beyond the grave.

My hero is probably Shirley Manson (the woman in my avatar).

try reading a biography of the two and read a book about aspergers...then tell me you can't diagnose them!! !

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23 Mar 2011, 5:42 pm

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23 Mar 2011, 6:05 pm

d510g1c wrote:

Delirium wrote:

Mozart and Einstein had Asperger's? I didn't know you could diagnose people from beyond the grave.

My hero is probably Shirley Manson (the woman in my avatar).

try reading a biography of the two and read a book about aspergers...then tell me you can't diagnose them!! !

The only way you can properly diagnose someone is if you can actually talk to them face-to-face. Also, you are disregarding other factors that might have influenced their behavior. Mozart had an overbearing stage father, for instance.

While some people with Asperger's are geniuses, not all geniuses have Asperger's.

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23 Mar 2011, 9:21 pm

Delirium wrote:

seriously read a biography on einstein, the entire time you will be thinking "yeah he was an aspie" i did. an obsession with a compass at a young age is what foreshadowed his love of physics. having friendship/relationship issues his entire life. poor social skills. very blunt known for offending others. capable of "mind experimentation"...just to name a few!!

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23 Mar 2011, 9:41 pm

Curtis LeMay for some reason I can't explain, I enjoyed reading his autobiography. Very logical man. He was all substance and no form, I can kind of relate to him.

I wouldn't use the word "idolize", I just understand him. I kind of understand Einstein's personality as well as the fascination Carl Sagan had with space or Feynman had with science. The universe is really fascinating in some ways.

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23 Mar 2011, 9:54 pm

d510g1c wrote:

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None of what you cite are sufficient in and of themselves to diagnose Asperger's. They are at best tantalizing clues. But in the end you can't definitively say Einstein was on the spectrum. People come to this forum regularly, sure they have Asperger's, only to have some professional tell them they don't. It's hard to diagnose in living people, let alone posthumously. Think of the difficulties we have today, even with widespread recognition of autism and the availability of interventions at an early age. At the end of the 19th century when Einstein was a child, there would have been NO support for someone on the spectrum. How likely is it that someone with significant ASD issues would successfully navigate a culture that had no support mechanisms in place?

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23 Mar 2011, 10:08 pm

Alan Turing.

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23 Mar 2011, 10:14 pm

I really don't have any heroes but I worship ideas/actions of certain people. Humans are just receptacles for ideas that I find interesting.

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23 Mar 2011, 11:36 pm

my heroes as a child were hulk hogan and arnold schwarzenegger

large super hero type men that saved the day and always got the girl, the complete opposite of what i've always been

my heroes today? anybody that is happy with their life

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24 Mar 2011, 5:30 am

Temple Grandin's definitely my "famous person" hero, especially when I first got diagnosed Helen Keller was my childhood hero also

Real life heroes would have to be one of my co-workers at the group home (I look up to her example a lot) and my mom & aunt & grandmother

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24 Mar 2011, 5:46 am

You're all wrong. Einstein was PDD.

Anyway, my heroes..

Michio Kaku

Michael Faraday

John Robert Oppenheimer

Stephen Hawking

Alex Filippenko

Major Samantha Carter

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24 Mar 2011, 6:01 am

wavefreak58 wrote:

I agree that people cant be diagnosed posthumously but I do think people can say that 'think' the person had it or 'its likely' the person had it.

However I disagree completely about your comments on people not having support making them unsuccessful. Lots of people now dont have support and didnt through their childhoods, its recognised that Einstein did have very big problems at school anyway. Society then was also much more aspie friendly as over time the 'feminaztion' of the work force and education has made communication and group work more important skills than they were in the past. In a lot of ways you could not get successful people like darwin and eistein and neuton now as people are not allowed to just devote themselves to special interests, do not tend to have 'family wealth' or be of a 'class with servants' so its much harder and einstein now would probably get thrown out of his research lab for failing to do group work properly lol!

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24 Mar 2011, 6:06 am

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24 Mar 2011, 6:26 am

lotusblossom wrote:

Society then was also much more aspie friendly

I have a hard time accepting that a society that still sent it's mentally ill to soul grinding institutions, ran industrial scale sweat shops, had debtors prisons, considered wife beating a right, didn't allow women to vote, had poor houses, lacked universal elementary and secondary education and used children in dangerous factories was aspie friendly.

Most of these things were rapidly changing when Einstein was a child, but he would have had to have been extraordinarily fortunate along a number of fronts to navigate a world that hostile to non-conformance and a fundamental unrecognized neurological disorder.

That he showed Aspie traits should not be surprising. It is well known that extremely gifted people have many similar issues as autistics. Really smart people think and perceive differently, without having to be autistic. Apply Occam's Razor. Autism isn't necessary to explain his genius. Doing so needlessly multiplies complexity.

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24 Mar 2011, 6:53 am

Just my own idea of perfection, not any actual existing person.

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24 Mar 2011, 6:56 am

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