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01 Apr 2011, 6:48 pm

twinsmummy20 wrote:
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My husband forgives insanely easily. I could do anything to him (I wouldnt!) and he would forgive me in a heart beat! He has told me through general discussion about infidelity that I could cheat on him and he wouldnt leave me.


And if you had sex with a farm yard animal?

I am the great sun, but you do not see me,
I am your husband, but you turn away.
I am the captive, but you do not free me,
I am the captain but you will not obey.

I am the truth, but you will not believe me,
I am the city where you will not stay.
I am your wife, your child, but you will leave me,
I am that God to whom you will not pray.

I am your counsel, but you will not hear me,
I am your lover whom you will betray.
I am the victor, but you do not cheer me,
I am the holy dove whom you will slay.

I am your life, but if you will not name me,
Seal up your soul with tears, and never blame me.


I would never do anything to my husband, we will be married forever. It was completely hypothetical and I know that and I hope he knows that!


I would forgive and release him...and destroy all material connections:) (including the ones that only he used/uses. But only because I would have been blindsided. My trust is complete and his with me. As one. The only real way to make a marriage work...both feet in! at least that is my belief.



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01 Apr 2011, 7:16 pm

I don't forgive and I certainly don't forget, never have and never will. Just a nasty person I suppose, which most people end up thinking anyway when I won't agree with them to keep the peace, so why give them false hope to begin with.

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02 Apr 2011, 12:35 am

Babs01 wrote:
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I don't forgive. My experiences most NTs see forgiving as a weakness and like a licence to repeat the offending behaviour.


Forgive an error, but never forgive evil.

ruveyn


To forgive requires courage. To release ~allows 'evil' to be lost in the death of the past. Keep the lessons learned, but not the means. There are NTs and Autistics that see forgiving as a weakness, but that is only because they fear the 'unknown'. Holding on to others' garbage can prevent us from crossing new thresholds simply because we can't fit. Don't be alluded, those who pass on the belief about forgiving being a sign of weakness are quite simply too afraid to put down their bags of garbage. I think it has to do with 'comfort zones' or 'creatures of habit'. But I'm not sure/


I find this slightly insulting.



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02 Apr 2011, 12:47 am

PinkFeelingBlue wrote:
Babs01 wrote:
To forgive requires courage. To release ~allows 'evil' to be lost in the death of the past. Keep the lessons learned, but not the means. There are NTs and Autistics that see forgiving as a weakness, but that is only because they fear the 'unknown'. Holding on to others' garbage can prevent us from crossing new thresholds simply because we can't fit. Don't be alluded, those who pass on the belief about forgiving being a sign of weakness are quite simply too afraid to put down their bags of garbage. I think it has to do with 'comfort zones' or 'creatures of habit'. But I'm not sure/


I find this slightly insulting.


I found it to be rather insightful.


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02 Apr 2011, 8:45 am

PinkFeelingBlue wrote:
Babs01 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Aspiewordsmith wrote:
I don't forgive. My experiences most NTs see forgiving as a weakness and like a licence to repeat the offending behaviour.


Forgive an error, but never forgive evil.

ruveyn


To forgive requires courage. To release ~allows 'evil' to be lost in the death of the past. Keep the lessons learned, but not the means. There are NTs and Autistics that see forgiving as a weakness, but that is only because they fear the 'unknown'. Holding on to others' garbage can prevent us from crossing new thresholds simply because we can't fit. Don't be alluded, those who pass on the belief about forgiving being a sign of weakness are quite simply too afraid to put down their bags of garbage. I think it has to do with 'comfort zones' or 'creatures of habit'. But I'm not sure/


I find this slightly insulting.


It was not my intention to insult anyone...which part did you find inaccurate? Perhaps I have written in incorrectly. It wouldn't be the first time I try to say something and have it come out backward from what I really wanted to say.



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02 Apr 2011, 9:12 am

I forgive easily.



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02 Apr 2011, 12:28 pm

I find it easy to forgive other people's mistakes and/or accidents. I once had a motorcyclist cross over onto my side of the road on a sharp curve and force me to drive off into the grass (it was a dirt road with no shoulder). If I hadn't driven off the road the motorcyclist would have been dead. I also could have been in grave danger if there hadn't been a safe place to go off into. There was no damage or anything but when the guy came over to my window it seemed like he was expecting me to be enraged at him. Instead I just felt pity for him and had nothing much to say in response to his apology. Afterwards I was feeling almost as if I SHOULD have been angrier, or at least tried to get the person's license to report.

Like others here though, I find it EXTREMELY difficult, if not impossible, to forgive intentional harm done to me by an unapologetic party. In that case I will hold a grudge forever. I also have a problem in that I've always been an extreme stickler for fair treatment and just mindedness and this puts me at odds with a lot of people. I really have a problem understanding people who excuse unfair treatment of others. The same goes for sadists and bullies. I will never understand or forgive these kinds of people.



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02 Apr 2011, 1:02 pm

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I find it easy to forgive other people's mistakes and/or accidents. I once had a motorcyclist cross over onto my side of the road on a sharp curve and force me to drive off into the grass (it was a dirt road with no shoulder). If I hadn't driven off the road the motorcyclist would have been dead. I also could have been in grave danger if there hadn't been a safe place to go off into. There was no damage or anything but when the guy came over to my window it seemed like he was expecting me to be enraged at him. Instead I just felt pity for him and had nothing much to say in response to his apology. Afterwards I was feeling almost as if I SHOULD have been angrier, or at least tried to get the person's license to report.

Like others here though, I find it EXTREMELY difficult, if not impossible, to forgive intentional harm done to me by an unapologetic party. In that case I will hold a grudge forever. I also have a problem in that I've always been an extreme stickler for fair treatment and just mindedness and this puts me at odds with a lot of people. I really have a problem understanding people who excuse unfair treatment of others. The same goes for sadists and bullies. I will never understand or forgive these kinds of people.


This.



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02 Apr 2011, 1:18 pm

I don't forgive easily and I don't forget. I can hold a grudge against someone for a long time if they do something bad to me and don't make up for it or genuinely apologize.



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02 Apr 2011, 5:13 pm

My husband and I just got home from a date. On the way we discussed 'forgiveness'. It is coming to my attention I have trouble being 'mad' at anyone. Also, I easily forget 'time'. If it didn't happen today, it could have easily happened 10 years ago. So far as he is concerned, he will not 'cut' someone off. Should they speak with him, he will remain polite. That being said, he will also never forget and therefore, never put his trust in them...ever. My brain just doesn't appear to have that emotion. Or memory for it. Maybe just my 'wiring'! :D



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02 Apr 2011, 5:14 pm

Does anyone know if there is a physical part of the brain which handles 'forgiveness'?



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02 Apr 2011, 7:29 pm

It sometimes takes me a while to forgive, and many scars just do not heal - I almost never forget. If someone upsets me, I tend to avoid them, but do not seek revenge or "burn bridges"


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02 Apr 2011, 8:07 pm

[quote="Babs01"
I find this slightly insulting.[/quote]

It was not my intention to insult anyone...which part did you find inaccurate? Perhaps I have written in incorrectly. It wouldn't be the first time I try to say something and have it come out backward from what I really wanted to say.[/quote]

I realize you didn't mean to insult. But you basically called people who don't forgive cowards and liken their emotional issues as bags of garbage.



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02 Apr 2011, 9:51 pm

My biggest problem is that I forgive too much on the spot because I'm incredibly slow to realize when something really hurts or maybe deep down I know I've been offended in some way but thanks to AS I have no way of expressing it on the spot. Forgiveness is usually a quick way to duck out of that kind of confrontation for me.

All throughout school I let a lot of people go for things should've been mad at them on the spot for because I was too slow to react and tell theme that. Alot of severe situations take years for me to realize that I've been hurt and now it's too late to even addressed that to them because they would be like "that happened years ago, let it go". If this wasn't the case I would be more forgiving. I just wished that I had a better ability to express my anger at people when they offend me right away. It comes pretty easy for my classmates to inform me right away when I piss them off.



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02 Apr 2011, 9:59 pm

PinkFeelingBlue wrote:
[quote="Babs01"
I find this slightly insulting.


It was not my intention to insult anyone...which part did you find inaccurate? Perhaps I have written in incorrectly. It wouldn't be the first time I try to say something and have it come out backward from what I really wanted to say.[/quote]

I realize you didn't mean to insult. But you basically called people who don't forgive cowards and liken their emotional issues as bags of garbage.[/quote]

Sorry.

I guess I see my own emotional issues that serve me no positive advantage as 'garbage' or 'something to get rid of'. I guess my error is that all don't think like me. ...what a weird concept...great...now I'm going to have a melt down cause I'll have to rethink every incident I can remember and see how much of a jerk I've been. :cry: .



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02 Apr 2011, 10:35 pm

Babs01 wrote:
Sorry.

I guess I see my own emotional issues that serve me no positive advantage as 'garbage' or 'something to get rid of'. I guess my error is that all don't think like me. ...what a weird concept...great...now I'm going to have a melt down cause I'll have to rethink every incident I can remember and see how much of a jerk I've been. :cry: .

I think there is somewhat of a false dichotomy when it comes to forgiveness though. In reality some people just don't deserve forgiveness. Some people really are just cold mean bastards. Sad to say but a lot of people really do just suck, period. But I think you can still let go of a grudge without fully forgiving someone. It's really more a matter of feeling good enough about yourself that there is no longer a reason for the negative experience to have so much significance. Of course feeling good about yourself is another one of those things that's easier said than done.