Have you ever been committed to a mental ward?

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22 Apr 2011, 10:59 pm

Hey you guys thank you so much for all your help I made it through that family harassment!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! ! It would have been worse feeling completely alone not having some of your input, then I would have felt completely alone thank you so much. The thing was I was doing nothing at all wrong it was complete group family harassment. This is what I did to get through it for anyone else distraught reading these no knowing what to do in this situation. First thing I did was read heavy up on international, national, and state laws on commitments and human rights. Also how the police handle things if anyone call them in situations like this. That is what saved me. Once I knew what my rights were then I knew what to do to go up against it. It gave me the confidence and the knowledge to know how to go up against it. What I did I'm sure will help many others as real afraid as I was from their own family or others doing things like this to them. I found out you don't have to stop for anyone at all, unless the police tell you to stop at least in Oreong. Otherwise you don't have to. So if someone is trying to detain you and hold you, you just keep walking or running and call and get to a safety house, most states have them and they will keep you there for free until you find someplace else for about 3 weeks depending on the state. Also they will not let anyone know where you are. But you probably don't even have to do that. If someone keeps holding you, you can tell them they are illegally holding onto you and they need to let go. If you are taking care of yourself and not harming anyone else no one can hold you other than the police. Also if they try to look through your own room if you pay rent for your own room, they cannot take and look through your things also. That is invasion of privacy. So if anyone tries to do these things you can tell them it is illegal and to stop and the reasons I just said invasion of privacy or something else. If they keep doing it anyway can tell them it's illegal and why, and you'll sue their ass. That usually gets them to stop. Also...



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22 Apr 2011, 11:01 pm

I'm sure some of you thought something was wrong with me just because I was here but nothing at all was and completely sane. Which is what happens to a lot of other committed people that should not even be. They are completely fine too and no one believes them also.



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22 Apr 2011, 11:06 pm

Ana54 wrote:
I've never been.


Once when I was about 5 though, my mother told me that if I didn't stop stimming I might end up in a place called an institution, where kids just "did things". I asked if it was fun and she didn't really reply; she wanted to dissuade me from stimming so I guess she couldn't answer that. :D I asked what it looked like. Did it look like something fun? (I forget what I said exactly.) She said, gettig annoyed or impatient or desperate or something, that it looked like a hospital. I didn't stop stimming, anyway. :D


My mom said almost exactly the same thing to me. She said I would end up "in a tiny little room in a hospital" if I kept stimming in public. Similarly I proceeded to ask questions about the room I would be in..........I know I asked her "why?". I don't remember what my mom said either but she was annoyed! :lol:



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22 Apr 2011, 11:10 pm

Also if they call the police, make sure to be super calm, as calm as a person can possibly be. And just sit calmly and tell the police they were called for no reason. You did nothing at all wrong. That you take care of yourself, that you don't harm anyone at all, so the police cannot take you away. You tell the police you take care of yourself, that you don't harm anyone at all, so they the police cannot take you away. If the police try to anyway, based on only the others lies and they don't believe you tell the police that is illegal because you are not harming anyone at all and take care of yourself. If the police still try tell them you need to call a lawyer then because you are not doing anything wrong. If the police don't let you call a lawyer, tell the police taking you under circumstances, and not letting you call a lawyer, say real nicely the police department will be in big trouble. That will probably all get the police to stop. If they still don't just real calmy go with police and as soon as get to police station, call a privacy lawyer and tell them everything that happened. Also if they try to take you away to commitment facility instead do all these same things and call a lawyer there. Like many of these guys said if they get you to commitment place always stay completely calm at all times and do everything they tell you to do, or they will use normal human reaction and fear against you. Then talk to your lawyer as often as you need to from there, explaining how you were unlawful detained by police and commitment place. What these guys did say here was great advice on shelters and remaining as calm as a person can at all times.



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22 Apr 2011, 11:11 pm

But these other things helped me lot as well that I didn't know until after.



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22 Apr 2011, 11:15 pm

Read up on the laws I mentioned also. Most human rights laws say, internationally also and for physically or disabled people also, that everyone has a right to privacy so if people are in your face when you tell them not to they cannot be. They may hold true for someone just in their own personal room also even if they are not renting, if they are an adult. If not an adult and own family doing these things to you would have to tell other trusted family or cousins, or friends, human rights laws how you are being abused, and get them to help you or tell them to your own family so you don't have to leave your home.



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22 Apr 2011, 11:31 pm

Most human rights laws say people cannot invade your privacy so if a person wants to be left alone in their room they should be able to, otherwise they can say their privacy is being invaded if they are not doing anything wrong or taking drugs or anything and not harming themselves etc. and taking care of themself. If family or others keep hasseling you that is called abuse, or domestic violence. So you can tell your own family people are not allowed to do invasion of privacy if you want to be left alone, and they cannot do abuse, or domestic abuse. That usually stops it all right there. That's what I did!! !! !! !! !! Several of my own family and I am an adult, singled me out and were doing severe group and abuse and harassment to me, even when I was in my own room and told them to stop. So I told them those things you would not have believed how fast it stopped. It took them a week of being confused because they still wanted to abuse me so bad because they had done it so long. It took them a week of being confused still wanting to but they had to stop!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! ! I and a person has all those laws on their side was nothing at all they could do they had to stop or they would be in real trouble. Wow thank goodness for some great protection laws. They had to stop even though they still hate it, there is nothing they can do about it. So I've been in my room and no one is harming me anymore but believe me Im getting out of here. And before I leave I'm going to tell them all that they were mean people, the way they treated me and the unwarrented and unneeded terrible fear they put me in needlessly was horrible. I will make sure to tell them that before I leave because I didn't know what to do for months. They put me in the drs several times etc. from all their bad abuse. And they would have kept doing it!! !! !! !! !! !! ! What was harming me was I had no knowledge, my lack of knowledge on matters like these, once I had the knowledge they had no choice and had to leave me alone. The real said thing is there are victims of this same things millions of them worlwide that don't need to be. That are facilitated somewhere and there is absolutely nothing at all wrong with them, except for no one will believe they are fine when they say they are terrible. Sad hopeless victims just because they don't have this knowledge and don't know what to do. And enough people aren't sharing this information. So hopefully people will bump into these posts and what to do will eventually spread worldwide so people will know what to do. The most important thing is try everything and these things to stay out of the police or institutions or courts to begin with! That is where the knowledge really helps. Many people elsewhere told me once you get in the system, millions cannot get back out. Once a person has wrongly been labeled as something wrong with them, even if it is not even true, millions cannot get back out forever. The law already has them wrongly labeled and it in their record. Some people can get back out but it takes a lot of work and is real hard. Many die yearly just from the hopelessness and other's abuse, many smart talented people's lives are wasted. Hopefully things in this post will spread and people will be helped worldwide on what to do in situations like this, because more and more people will have talked about these things and will know what to do. The biggest thing is though do everything so there is no police, no facilities, no courts to begin with because real hard to get false things off your record.



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22 Apr 2011, 11:40 pm

Also know what coercion is. Family was doing coercion to me big time but I didn't know what it was before. By pure luck I didn't fall for it. I almost really did but started talking to you guys here instead. It sounded like several here fell for coercion how they finally found themselves committed when they didn't do anything wrong. After I started talking to you guys then I started reading up on the laws. Coercion is when people try to egg someone on so they lose it. They try to push them to the edge so they lose their composure or worse. They try to harass someone so much so the victim loses their composure or loses it. Then once the victim loses it then it is easy for them to blame the victim instead of the perpertrators. Then they just tell the police the victim is acting irrationally even if it is no wonder they are. They tell the police the victim is trying to harm them instead. Which a person may be trying to do, but only to protect themselves or because they were pushed too far and lose it. It is a big common trick abusers use. Some of them even do it unconciously I think my abusers were even doing that part unconciously because they didn't know there was a real word and behaviour for it, but really knew they were doing it. There goal was to try to get me to lose it and they didn't know there was a name for that coercion, then they could have easily got me into the system. Luckily I didn't fall for that, I almost did was right on the fence because I didn't know what to do. I almost did lose my temper and lose my composure. Where if I had and the police came they would have thought I wasn't making much sense. Luckily you guys helped me and reading up on laws helped me so I was able to get me to leave me completely alone.



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22 Apr 2011, 11:48 pm

There are a lot of other good laws people can state, or when talking to a privacy lawyer to get the right help and get back out of the system. Like just many human rights laws, internationally, nationally, and state. Many states follow the others big laws. So can also say you have human rights that people cannot treat you wrong everyone does. So people cannot do cruel and unusual punishment which treating someone real wrong would be, that is called torture and there are laws against that as well which was happening to me. Many others as well when reading up on it, I found pages full thanfully of rights that protect people so no one can be abused or treated wrong. Thank goodness for human rights laws always protect them forever in the law!! !! !! !! !! !! !! ! You can read up on many more of those laws if you need them or to talk to your privacy lawyers if people trying to get you into the system or need to get out of the system. Hope this helps many others. Thanks all you nice people who helped me forever and reached out to me!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! These things will help me forever now my whole life best wishes always to everyone or any hopeless person reading you have rights, read up on the laws I said and your rights or all this may be all you need. Peace.



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23 Apr 2011, 12:28 am

You can also read up on human rights laws, internationally, nationally, and state. The state laws many follow the others just said. Some states have some other changes of their own, but some are pretty the same as these others. Also can learn ahead of time how the police in your area handles irrational people, why you never want to be irrational and you never want to fall for others coercion. Others may do coercion to you abusers, to try to get you to lose it so they can get you into the system, or arrested, or commited. If you call police to learn these things ahead of time do it anonymously because you're just gathering information. Sometimes you can read elsewhere or online how the police in your area handles abuse cases, and how they handle irrational people. Mot of the time for irrational people they try to commit them or get them labeled in the system. Because way police look at it, they think it is an irrational person they don't have alot of time, so they just take them away. A person can do all the explaining they want but if they are irrational they won't believe them. That is how they usually handle just an irrational person they take away. Whether reason they are irration is because they were coerced first or not, whether they are sane or not. That is why better to do all those other things, be calm, know what to say what your rights are, and don't be irrational so they can't take anyone away.



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23 Apr 2011, 12:34 am

Unfortunately and sadly there are real bad people in the world that do abuse others easily, without feeling badly in any way about it and even family everyone is supposed to really trust I found out. Several are not good family I found out the real hard way, sadly it is reality in the world, family can even be bad real sadly I found out the real hard way, why have to know how to protect your own life forever. Some people here helped me so I got an idea to read up on many laws helped me a lot.



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23 Apr 2011, 12:43 am

rianna wrote:
Also if they call the police, make sure to be super calm, as calm as a person can possibly be. And just sit calmly and tell the police they were called for no reason. You did nothing at all wrong. That you take care of yourself, that you don't harm anyone at all, so the police cannot take you away. You tell the police you take care of yourself, that you don't harm anyone at all, so they the police cannot take you away. If the police try to anyway, based on only the others lies and they don't believe you tell the police that is illegal because you are not harming anyone at all and take care of yourself. If the police still try tell them you need to call a lawyer then because you are not doing anything wrong. If the police don't let you call a lawyer, tell the police taking you under circumstances, and not letting you call a lawyer, say real nicely the police department will be in big trouble. That will probably all get the police to stop. If they still don't just real calmy go with police and as soon as get to police station, call a privacy lawyer and tell them everything that happened. Also if they try to take you away to commitment facility instead do all these same things and call a lawyer there. Like many of these guys said if they get you to commitment place always stay completely calm at all times and do everything they tell you to do, or they will use normal human reaction and fear against you. Then talk to your lawyer as often as you need to from there, explaining how you were unlawful detained by police and commitment place. What these guys did say here was great advice on shelters and remaining as calm as a person can at all times.


I understand the importance of staying calm, but boy is it hard to do that in practice. The last time I ended up committed, I knew all these sorts of things about staying calm, and relied mostly on the fact that I have very flat affect and hoped that would be enough, because I was scared out of my mind, since I have PTSD from mistreatment in mental institutions. I barely got out in time, I wouldn't have been able to hold out with the "calm" act much longer, and I'm not sure how convincing I was in the first place. I even stayed calm as they said all kinds of messed-up things about me, because I knew if I did anything other than passively accept what they said, they could do anything to me. (This was a mental ward where they're known among local ex-patients for doing really horrible things to people, not obeying the law, even people dying because of abuse or neglect there. People would be drugged until they literally couldn't speak during their court hearings, in order to keep them. While I was there I watched staff making a woman beg like a dog for cigarettes, water, and clean socks. I also watched staff try to mess with a catatonic woman who was fully aware of her surroundings. It wasn't good.) Fortunately I got out.


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23 Apr 2011, 2:33 am

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rianna wrote:
Also if they call the police, make sure to be super calm, as calm as a person can possibly be. And just sit calmly and tell the police they were called for no reason. You did nothing at all wrong. That you take care of yourself, that you don't harm anyone at all, so the police cannot take you away. You tell the police you take care of yourself, that you don't harm anyone at all, so they the police cannot take you away. If the police try to anyway, based on only the others lies and they don't believe you tell the police that is illegal because you are not harming anyone at all and take care of yourself. If the police still try tell them you need to call a lawyer then because you are not doing anything wrong. If the police don't let you call a lawyer, tell the police taking you under circumstances, and not letting you call a lawyer, say real nicely the police department will be in big trouble. That will probably all get the police to stop. If they still don't just real calmy go with police and as soon as get to police station, call a privacy lawyer and tell them everything that happened. Also if they try to take you away to commitment facility instead do all these same things and call a lawyer there. Like many of these guys said if they get you to commitment place always stay completely calm at all times and do everything they tell you to do, or they will use normal human reaction and fear against you. Then talk to your lawyer as often as you need to from there, explaining how you were unlawful detained by police and commitment place. What these guys did say here was great advice on shelters and remaining as calm as a person can at all times.


I understand the importance of staying calm, but boy is it hard to do that in practice. The last time I ended up committed, I knew all these sorts of things about staying calm, and relied mostly on the fact that I have very flat affect and hoped that would be enough, because I was scared out of my mind, since I have PTSD from mistreatment in mental institutions. I barely got out in time, I wouldn't have been able to hold out with the "calm" act much longer, and I'm not sure how convincing I was in the first place. I even stayed calm as they said all kinds of messed-up things about me, because I knew if I did anything other than passively accept what they said, they could do anything to me. (This was a mental ward where they're known among local ex-patients for doing really horrible things to people, not obeying the law, even people dying because of abuse or neglect there. People would be drugged until they literally couldn't speak during their court hearings, in order to keep them. While I was there I watched staff making a woman beg like a dog for cigarettes, water, and clean socks. I also watched staff try to mess with a catatonic woman who was fully aware of her surroundings. It wasn't good.) Fortunately I got out.


Were you ever able to report them? Or I suppose the word of a nurse goes better then some crazy autistic :(
very sad, this is what happens when you give people unlimited power, power corrupts, and when you have power over people that can't fight back you to are the victim, and people lose themselves when they are allowed to

that's basically why governments and employers do the things they do.


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23 Apr 2011, 2:52 am

It would be very difficult to prove... but I suppose it's possible to make a complaint so that at least it's on record, so that when the next person reports being abused there'll be some background evidence for them to lean on. Maybe there's a patient advocacy group in the area or something like that?


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23 Apr 2011, 4:43 am

It happened a long time ago, in a place I don't live anymore... and patient advocacy groups were doing everything we could, we just weren't strong enough to take them on. They hated letting us in to check on the people who were locked up there, and they didn't listen to us otherwise. The other local "advocacy" group often knowingly had people committed from the premises, even knowing what they'd face in there. There might have been something run by professionals but I was unaware of it at the time.


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