My opinion on Aspergers
29 Apr 2011, 9:36 pm
I'm what I call a daywalker aspie. By that I mean that I have many more of the benefits of aspergers syndrome and very few of the drawbacks (taken from Blade, a daywalker vampire). Because of this, I can kinda walk in both worlds and see what it's like for people on both sides. They should call it Aspergers Blessing because the aspie way of thinking is far superior to that of the NT.
The aspie mind is more computerlike than the NT mind. Consider why computers exist and are useful. They process information faster and don't have opinions and feelings that get in the way of decision making. Of course, aspies have feelings and opinions, but it's not like the way NTs have them. We can separate our emotions from our thought processes. Things that would mortify an NT don't phase an aspie a bit. We can focus (some would say hyperfocus, but it's all relative) on a subject and quickly gather a great deal of information about it. We're not bogged down by social rules like NTs are.
I realize that the human race needs neurotypicals, but society wouldn't be as advanced as it is if it weren't for the contributions of aspies. We're extremely lucky to be the way we are, and everyone else is lucky we are as well.
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29 Apr 2011, 9:59 pm
I thought that at one point, but I'm only beginning to understand just how socially handicapped I am. Although mostly it seems to be related to my slow processing speed and reaction timing, I'm beginning to think that I really am socially colorblind and I just don't know it.
The aspie way of thinking is far superior, but when it comes time for me to get a job and I find that I can't keep one because I can't do things like small talk, I'll probably change my mind. I'm not saying that will happen, I hope not, but from what I've seen on these forums it wouldn't surprise me.
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29 Apr 2011, 10:07 pm
Yep we can quickly gather a lot of information but my problem is that I'm always focused on one thing at a time. If I'm engaged in an interest I'm not going to want to socialise. When I socialise I can no longer spend time on that interest and the only thing going through my head is that interest so I can't really join in on conversation and talk to people because I care so much about that interest and can't think of anything else.
I don't think we can think in a superior way. Surely there are some NT's that can think as differently as the person next to them. I pick up things from people from time to time that shows that they do have a mind of their own and not some collective consciousness, although I've met many in the latter group too.
If you met bands you would know that they are very outgoing people. Most people that are authors/artists/actors/musicians/ scientists do need to have good communication skills. I've watched many be interviewed on shows and note how well they can communicate, especially when on Colbert and they need to have a sense of humor about themselves.
Still, I do like being asocial and living in my own vivid sci-fi fantasy world.
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29 Apr 2011, 10:33 pm
Ankhros wrote:
I'm what I call a daywalker aspie. By that I mean that I have many more of the benefits of aspergers syndrome and very few of the drawbacks (taken from Blade, a daywalker vampire). Because of this, I can kinda walk in both worlds and see what it's like for people on both sides. They should call it Aspergers Blessing because the aspie way of thinking is far superior to that of the NT.
The aspie mind is more computerlike than the NT mind. Consider why computers exist and are useful. They process information faster and don't have opinions and feelings that get in the way of decision making. Of course, aspies have feelings and opinions, but it's not like the way NTs have them. We can separate our emotions from our thought processes. Things that would mortify an NT don't phase an aspie a bit. We can focus (some would say hyperfocus, but it's all relative) on a subject and quickly gather a great deal of information about it. We're not bogged down by social rules like NTs are.
I realize that the human race needs neurotypicals, but society wouldn't be as advanced as it is if it weren't for the contributions of aspies. We're extremely lucky to be the way we are, and everyone else is lucky we are as well.
The aspie mind is more computerlike than the NT mind. Consider why computers exist and are useful. They process information faster and don't have opinions and feelings that get in the way of decision making. Of course, aspies have feelings and opinions, but it's not like the way NTs have them. We can separate our emotions from our thought processes. Things that would mortify an NT don't phase an aspie a bit. We can focus (some would say hyperfocus, but it's all relative) on a subject and quickly gather a great deal of information about it. We're not bogged down by social rules like NTs are.
I realize that the human race needs neurotypicals, but society wouldn't be as advanced as it is if it weren't for the contributions of aspies. We're extremely lucky to be the way we are, and everyone else is lucky we are as well.
I can see all of those benefits. It's good that you see them in yourself.
I am curious about your signature statement: "Everyone is an individual except for me. I'm the only one who is just like everybody else". There is research that suggests that Aspies don't have the same sense of self that others do. Do you feel like your sense of self changes depending on who you are around?
I guess if one were to use the computer analogy; it would be like your software changes, when you are around different people. I think most people experience it to some degree, but others experience it stronger.
I've noticed some people who have very strong personalities, that don't significantly change when they are around different people. And others, who seem to take on the personna of the other people they are around.
The computer analogy seems to be very relevant to this. Long before I knew anything about Autism, people told me my mind works like a computer. And, that was before I started using a computer. Obviously they saw that I was analytical, and didn't express emotion the way that most people do.
Last edited by aghogday on 29 Apr 2011, 10:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.
29 Apr 2011, 10:37 pm
No one is superior to any one else. NTs might be better at forming social networks, but aspies are good at hyperfocusing and acquiring information. Successful NTs might become great businessmen and politicians, but successful aspies can become great scientists and engineers.
By the way, you need basic social skills to be successful at anything. Do you really want to try applying for a research grant without talking to someone? Do you really think you can work on a design project without cooperating with a few NTs? The superiority attitude has no place in the adult world. If aspies don't learn basic social skills, they can't function in the world, regardless of their learning style or intelligence. There are very bright aspies that are stuck in their unrewarding lives because they either believe that they can't learn these things and have given up, or they believe that they are superior and they don't need silly social skills. It's not a matter of conformation to the NT world, but it is a matter of learning basic conversation skills. No one is superior, and no one is too good to have to learn these things.
I am the farthest thing from normal, but that non-conformist attitude cannot extend to school and work. If I didn't have at least passing social skills, there's no way I'd be able to run a piano studio, and I would definitely be very far from "superior." Even now I can't consider myself somehow superior, because there is always someone that can humble you.
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29 Apr 2011, 11:34 pm
rabidmonkey4262 wrote:
No one is superior to any one else. NTs might be better at forming social networks, but aspies are good at hyperfocusing and acquiring information. Successful NTs might become great businessmen and politicians, but successful aspies can become great scientists and engineers.
By the way, you need basic social skills to be successful at anything. Do you really want to try applying for a research grant without talking to someone? Do you really think you can work on a design project without cooperating with a few NTs? The superiority attitude has no place in the adult world. If aspies don't learn basic social skills, they can't function in the world, regardless of their learning style or intelligence. There are very bright aspies that are stuck in their unrewarding lives because they either believe that they can't learn these things and have given up, or they believe that they are superior and they don't need silly social skills. It's not a matter of conformation to the NT world, but it is a matter of learning basic conversation skills. No one is superior, and no one is too good to have to learn these things.
I am the farthest thing from normal, but that non-conformist attitude cannot extend to school and work. If I didn't have at least passing social skills, there's no way I'd be able to run a piano studio, and I would definitely be very far from "superior." Even now I can't consider myself somehow superior, because there is always someone that can humble you.
By the way, you need basic social skills to be successful at anything. Do you really want to try applying for a research grant without talking to someone? Do you really think you can work on a design project without cooperating with a few NTs? The superiority attitude has no place in the adult world. If aspies don't learn basic social skills, they can't function in the world, regardless of their learning style or intelligence. There are very bright aspies that are stuck in their unrewarding lives because they either believe that they can't learn these things and have given up, or they believe that they are superior and they don't need silly social skills. It's not a matter of conformation to the NT world, but it is a matter of learning basic conversation skills. No one is superior, and no one is too good to have to learn these things.
I am the farthest thing from normal, but that non-conformist attitude cannot extend to school and work. If I didn't have at least passing social skills, there's no way I'd be able to run a piano studio, and I would definitely be very far from "superior." Even now I can't consider myself somehow superior, because there is always someone that can humble you.
You misunderstood what I said, and I get the impression that you are scolding me for it. For one thing, it is not your place to correct my attitude. I never asked for your advice. For another, I said the aspie way of thinking is superior to that of NTs, not that aspies themselves are better people than NTs. Next time don't jump to conclusions. Yes, that was me scolding you.
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Everyone is an individual except for me. I'm the only one who is just like everybody else.
29 Apr 2011, 11:45 pm
aghogday wrote:
Ankhros wrote:
I'm what I call a daywalker aspie. By that I mean that I have many more of the benefits of aspergers syndrome and very few of the drawbacks (taken from Blade, a daywalker vampire). Because of this, I can kinda walk in both worlds and see what it's like for people on both sides. They should call it Aspergers Blessing because the aspie way of thinking is far superior to that of the NT.
The aspie mind is more computerlike than the NT mind. Consider why computers exist and are useful. They process information faster and don't have opinions and feelings that get in the way of decision making. Of course, aspies have feelings and opinions, but it's not like the way NTs have them. We can separate our emotions from our thought processes. Things that would mortify an NT don't phase an aspie a bit. We can focus (some would say hyperfocus, but it's all relative) on a subject and quickly gather a great deal of information about it. We're not bogged down by social rules like NTs are.
I realize that the human race needs neurotypicals, but society wouldn't be as advanced as it is if it weren't for the contributions of aspies. We're extremely lucky to be the way we are, and everyone else is lucky we are as well.
The aspie mind is more computerlike than the NT mind. Consider why computers exist and are useful. They process information faster and don't have opinions and feelings that get in the way of decision making. Of course, aspies have feelings and opinions, but it's not like the way NTs have them. We can separate our emotions from our thought processes. Things that would mortify an NT don't phase an aspie a bit. We can focus (some would say hyperfocus, but it's all relative) on a subject and quickly gather a great deal of information about it. We're not bogged down by social rules like NTs are.
I realize that the human race needs neurotypicals, but society wouldn't be as advanced as it is if it weren't for the contributions of aspies. We're extremely lucky to be the way we are, and everyone else is lucky we are as well.
I can see all of those benefits. It's good that you see them in yourself.
I am curious about your signature statement: "Everyone is an individual except for me. I'm the only one who is just like everybody else". There is research that suggests that Aspies don't have the same sense of self that others do. Do you feel like your sense of self changes depending on who you are around?
I guess if one were to use the computer analogy; it would be like your software changes, when you are around different people. I think most people experience it to some degree, but others experience it stronger.
I've noticed some people who have very strong personalities, that don't significantly change when they are around different people. And others, who seem to take on the personna of the other people they are around.
The computer analogy seems to be very relevant to this. Long before I knew anything about Autism, people told me my mind works like a computer. And, that was before I started using a computer. Obviously they saw that I was analytical, and didn't express emotion the way that most people do.
My signature is more of a joke than anything else. It's a contradiction. How can I be just like everybody else if I'm the only one like that? It's total nonsense, but it seems to make some kind of sense, and I enjoy the humor in it.
I've known people who had chameleon personalities, conforming to whatever social group they were in. I was never like that though, especially since I learned to stop feeling sorry for myself. When people change their personalities to gain social acceptance, they seem to believe that something about them needs to changed because being accepted is more important than being an individual. I've always thought that if a group won't accept me for who I am, then I don't want to socialize with them anyway. Poop on 'em, as my dad would say.
Fortunately, I am able to socialize on a nearly NT level. I have the social color blindness to an extent, but I've learned to consciously seek out social cues and nonverbal communication. What my mind doesn't recognize naturally I've learned to interpret consciously. In fact, it's something I've hyperfocused on and learned a great deal about. I've even helped friends resist hazing veiled as friendliness. I've been successful at getting and keeping jobs when I wanted to, but lately, the more I learn about the way the system works, the less I want to be successful in that vein. That's a topic for another thread and forum section though.
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30 Apr 2011, 12:00 am
Ankhros wrote:
rabidmonkey4262 wrote:
No one is superior to any one else. NTs might be better at forming social networks, but aspies are good at hyperfocusing and acquiring information. Successful NTs might become great businessmen and politicians, but successful aspies can become great scientists and engineers.
By the way, you need basic social skills to be successful at anything. Do you really want to try applying for a research grant without talking to someone? Do you really think you can work on a design project without cooperating with a few NTs? The superiority attitude has no place in the adult world. If aspies don't learn basic social skills, they can't function in the world, regardless of their learning style or intelligence. There are very bright aspies that are stuck in their unrewarding lives because they either believe that they can't learn these things and have given up, or they believe that they are superior and they don't need silly social skills. It's not a matter of conformation to the NT world, but it is a matter of learning basic conversation skills. No one is superior, and no one is too good to have to learn these things.
I am the farthest thing from normal, but that non-conformist attitude cannot extend to school and work. If I didn't have at least passing social skills, there's no way I'd be able to run a piano studio, and I would definitely be very far from "superior." Even now I can't consider myself somehow superior, because there is always someone that can humble you.
By the way, you need basic social skills to be successful at anything. Do you really want to try applying for a research grant without talking to someone? Do you really think you can work on a design project without cooperating with a few NTs? The superiority attitude has no place in the adult world. If aspies don't learn basic social skills, they can't function in the world, regardless of their learning style or intelligence. There are very bright aspies that are stuck in their unrewarding lives because they either believe that they can't learn these things and have given up, or they believe that they are superior and they don't need silly social skills. It's not a matter of conformation to the NT world, but it is a matter of learning basic conversation skills. No one is superior, and no one is too good to have to learn these things.
I am the farthest thing from normal, but that non-conformist attitude cannot extend to school and work. If I didn't have at least passing social skills, there's no way I'd be able to run a piano studio, and I would definitely be very far from "superior." Even now I can't consider myself somehow superior, because there is always someone that can humble you.
You misunderstood what I said, and I get the impression that you are scolding me for it. For one thing, it is not your place to correct my attitude. I never asked for your advice. For another, I said the aspie way of thinking is superior to that of NTs, not that aspies themselves are better people than NTs. Next time don't jump to conclusions. Yes, that was me scolding you.
If you don't want people disagreeing with you, then maybe you shouldn't post your opinion? Just a thought. If you think that the NT way of thinking is superior, then you have some ego issues to work out. If you don't want my advice, then don't take it.
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Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently.
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30 Apr 2011, 12:03 am
rabidmonkey4262 wrote:
Ankhros wrote:
rabidmonkey4262 wrote:
No one is superior to any one else. NTs might be better at forming social networks, but aspies are good at hyperfocusing and acquiring information. Successful NTs might become great businessmen and politicians, but successful aspies can become great scientists and engineers.
By the way, you need basic social skills to be successful at anything. Do you really want to try applying for a research grant without talking to someone? Do you really think you can work on a design project without cooperating with a few NTs? The superiority attitude has no place in the adult world. If aspies don't learn basic social skills, they can't function in the world, regardless of their learning style or intelligence. There are very bright aspies that are stuck in their unrewarding lives because they either believe that they can't learn these things and have given up, or they believe that they are superior and they don't need silly social skills. It's not a matter of conformation to the NT world, but it is a matter of learning basic conversation skills. No one is superior, and no one is too good to have to learn these things.
I am the farthest thing from normal, but that non-conformist attitude cannot extend to school and work. If I didn't have at least passing social skills, there's no way I'd be able to run a piano studio, and I would definitely be very far from "superior." Even now I can't consider myself somehow superior, because there is always someone that can humble you.
By the way, you need basic social skills to be successful at anything. Do you really want to try applying for a research grant without talking to someone? Do you really think you can work on a design project without cooperating with a few NTs? The superiority attitude has no place in the adult world. If aspies don't learn basic social skills, they can't function in the world, regardless of their learning style or intelligence. There are very bright aspies that are stuck in their unrewarding lives because they either believe that they can't learn these things and have given up, or they believe that they are superior and they don't need silly social skills. It's not a matter of conformation to the NT world, but it is a matter of learning basic conversation skills. No one is superior, and no one is too good to have to learn these things.
I am the farthest thing from normal, but that non-conformist attitude cannot extend to school and work. If I didn't have at least passing social skills, there's no way I'd be able to run a piano studio, and I would definitely be very far from "superior." Even now I can't consider myself somehow superior, because there is always someone that can humble you.
You misunderstood what I said, and I get the impression that you are scolding me for it. For one thing, it is not your place to correct my attitude. I never asked for your advice. For another, I said the aspie way of thinking is superior to that of NTs, not that aspies themselves are better people than NTs. Next time don't jump to conclusions. Yes, that was me scolding you.
If you don't want people disagreeing with you, then maybe you shouldn't post your opinion? Just a thought. If you think that the NT way of thinking is superior, then you have some things to work out. If you don't want my advice, then don't take it. All I know is that it's working for me.
This isn't about opinions. This is about facts. It is a fact that you thought I was saying something that I wasn't, and it is a fact that your erroneous spin on what I said led you to act like a pompous fool. Now please bow out of this argument gracefully.
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Everyone is an individual except for me. I'm the only one who is just like everybody else.
30 Apr 2011, 12:06 am
Ankhros wrote:
rabidmonkey4262 wrote:
Ankhros wrote:
rabidmonkey4262 wrote:
No one is superior to any one else. NTs might be better at forming social networks, but aspies are good at hyperfocusing and acquiring information. Successful NTs might become great businessmen and politicians, but successful aspies can become great scientists and engineers.
By the way, you need basic social skills to be successful at anything. Do you really want to try applying for a research grant without talking to someone? Do you really think you can work on a design project without cooperating with a few NTs? The superiority attitude has no place in the adult world. If aspies don't learn basic social skills, they can't function in the world, regardless of their learning style or intelligence. There are very bright aspies that are stuck in their unrewarding lives because they either believe that they can't learn these things and have given up, or they believe that they are superior and they don't need silly social skills. It's not a matter of conformation to the NT world, but it is a matter of learning basic conversation skills. No one is superior, and no one is too good to have to learn these things.
I am the farthest thing from normal, but that non-conformist attitude cannot extend to school and work. If I didn't have at least passing social skills, there's no way I'd be able to run a piano studio, and I would definitely be very far from "superior." Even now I can't consider myself somehow superior, because there is always someone that can humble you.
By the way, you need basic social skills to be successful at anything. Do you really want to try applying for a research grant without talking to someone? Do you really think you can work on a design project without cooperating with a few NTs? The superiority attitude has no place in the adult world. If aspies don't learn basic social skills, they can't function in the world, regardless of their learning style or intelligence. There are very bright aspies that are stuck in their unrewarding lives because they either believe that they can't learn these things and have given up, or they believe that they are superior and they don't need silly social skills. It's not a matter of conformation to the NT world, but it is a matter of learning basic conversation skills. No one is superior, and no one is too good to have to learn these things.
I am the farthest thing from normal, but that non-conformist attitude cannot extend to school and work. If I didn't have at least passing social skills, there's no way I'd be able to run a piano studio, and I would definitely be very far from "superior." Even now I can't consider myself somehow superior, because there is always someone that can humble you.
You misunderstood what I said, and I get the impression that you are scolding me for it. For one thing, it is not your place to correct my attitude. I never asked for your advice. For another, I said the aspie way of thinking is superior to that of NTs, not that aspies themselves are better people than NTs. Next time don't jump to conclusions. Yes, that was me scolding you.
If you don't want people disagreeing with you, then maybe you shouldn't post your opinion? Just a thought. If you think that the NT way of thinking is superior, then you have some things to work out. If you don't want my advice, then don't take it. All I know is that it's working for me.
This isn't about opinions. This is about facts. It is a fact that you thought I was saying something that I wasn't, and it is a fact that your erroneous spin on what I said led you to act like a pompous fool. Now please bow out of this argument gracefully.
You're resorting to name-calling? You said the aspie way of thinking is superior, and I disagree. There's no need for condescension or hostility.
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Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently.
30 Apr 2011, 12:07 am
rabidmonkey4262 wrote:
Ankhros wrote:
rabidmonkey4262 wrote:
Ankhros wrote:
rabidmonkey4262 wrote:
No one is superior to any one else. NTs might be better at forming social networks, but aspies are good at hyperfocusing and acquiring information. Successful NTs might become great businessmen and politicians, but successful aspies can become great scientists and engineers.
By the way, you need basic social skills to be successful at anything. Do you really want to try applying for a research grant without talking to someone? Do you really think you can work on a design project without cooperating with a few NTs? The superiority attitude has no place in the adult world. If aspies don't learn basic social skills, they can't function in the world, regardless of their learning style or intelligence. There are very bright aspies that are stuck in their unrewarding lives because they either believe that they can't learn these things and have given up, or they believe that they are superior and they don't need silly social skills. It's not a matter of conformation to the NT world, but it is a matter of learning basic conversation skills. No one is superior, and no one is too good to have to learn these things.
I am the farthest thing from normal, but that non-conformist attitude cannot extend to school and work. If I didn't have at least passing social skills, there's no way I'd be able to run a piano studio, and I would definitely be very far from "superior." Even now I can't consider myself somehow superior, because there is always someone that can humble you.
By the way, you need basic social skills to be successful at anything. Do you really want to try applying for a research grant without talking to someone? Do you really think you can work on a design project without cooperating with a few NTs? The superiority attitude has no place in the adult world. If aspies don't learn basic social skills, they can't function in the world, regardless of their learning style or intelligence. There are very bright aspies that are stuck in their unrewarding lives because they either believe that they can't learn these things and have given up, or they believe that they are superior and they don't need silly social skills. It's not a matter of conformation to the NT world, but it is a matter of learning basic conversation skills. No one is superior, and no one is too good to have to learn these things.
I am the farthest thing from normal, but that non-conformist attitude cannot extend to school and work. If I didn't have at least passing social skills, there's no way I'd be able to run a piano studio, and I would definitely be very far from "superior." Even now I can't consider myself somehow superior, because there is always someone that can humble you.
You misunderstood what I said, and I get the impression that you are scolding me for it. For one thing, it is not your place to correct my attitude. I never asked for your advice. For another, I said the aspie way of thinking is superior to that of NTs, not that aspies themselves are better people than NTs. Next time don't jump to conclusions. Yes, that was me scolding you.
If you don't want people disagreeing with you, then maybe you shouldn't post your opinion? Just a thought. If you think that the NT way of thinking is superior, then you have some things to work out. If you don't want my advice, then don't take it. All I know is that it's working for me.
This isn't about opinions. This is about facts. It is a fact that you thought I was saying something that I wasn't, and it is a fact that your erroneous spin on what I said led you to act like a pompous fool. Now please bow out of this argument gracefully.
You're resorting to name-calling? You said the aspie way of thinking is superior, and I disagree. There's no need for condescension or hostility.
I didn't call you anything. Your complete lack of reading comprehension creates the need for hostility. Go away. I don't like you.
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Everyone is an individual except for me. I'm the only one who is just like everybody else.
30 Apr 2011, 12:12 am
Ankhros wrote:
rabidmonkey4262 wrote:
Ankhros wrote:
rabidmonkey4262 wrote:
Ankhros wrote:
rabidmonkey4262 wrote:
No one is superior to any one else. NTs might be better at forming social networks, but aspies are good at hyperfocusing and acquiring information. Successful NTs might become great businessmen and politicians, but successful aspies can become great scientists and engineers.
By the way, you need basic social skills to be successful at anything. Do you really want to try applying for a research grant without talking to someone? Do you really think you can work on a design project without cooperating with a few NTs? The superiority attitude has no place in the adult world. If aspies don't learn basic social skills, they can't function in the world, regardless of their learning style or intelligence. There are very bright aspies that are stuck in their unrewarding lives because they either believe that they can't learn these things and have given up, or they believe that they are superior and they don't need silly social skills. It's not a matter of conformation to the NT world, but it is a matter of learning basic conversation skills. No one is superior, and no one is too good to have to learn these things.
I am the farthest thing from normal, but that non-conformist attitude cannot extend to school and work. If I didn't have at least passing social skills, there's no way I'd be able to run a piano studio, and I would definitely be very far from "superior." Even now I can't consider myself somehow superior, because there is always someone that can humble you.
By the way, you need basic social skills to be successful at anything. Do you really want to try applying for a research grant without talking to someone? Do you really think you can work on a design project without cooperating with a few NTs? The superiority attitude has no place in the adult world. If aspies don't learn basic social skills, they can't function in the world, regardless of their learning style or intelligence. There are very bright aspies that are stuck in their unrewarding lives because they either believe that they can't learn these things and have given up, or they believe that they are superior and they don't need silly social skills. It's not a matter of conformation to the NT world, but it is a matter of learning basic conversation skills. No one is superior, and no one is too good to have to learn these things.
I am the farthest thing from normal, but that non-conformist attitude cannot extend to school and work. If I didn't have at least passing social skills, there's no way I'd be able to run a piano studio, and I would definitely be very far from "superior." Even now I can't consider myself somehow superior, because there is always someone that can humble you.
You misunderstood what I said, and I get the impression that you are scolding me for it. For one thing, it is not your place to correct my attitude. I never asked for your advice. For another, I said the aspie way of thinking is superior to that of NTs, not that aspies themselves are better people than NTs. Next time don't jump to conclusions. Yes, that was me scolding you.
If you don't want people disagreeing with you, then maybe you shouldn't post your opinion? Just a thought. If you think that the NT way of thinking is superior, then you have some things to work out. If you don't want my advice, then don't take it. All I know is that it's working for me.
This isn't about opinions. This is about facts. It is a fact that you thought I was saying something that I wasn't, and it is a fact that your erroneous spin on what I said led you to act like a pompous fool. Now please bow out of this argument gracefully.
You're resorting to name-calling? You said the aspie way of thinking is superior, and I disagree. There's no need for condescension or hostility.
I didn't call you anything. Your complete lack of reading comprehension creates the need for hostility. Go away. I don't like you.
You did, actually. I comprehended that you called me a "pompous fool." Personal attacks are not tolerated on WP.
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30 Apr 2011, 12:13 am
rabidmonkey4262 wrote:
Ankhros wrote:
rabidmonkey4262 wrote:
Ankhros wrote:
rabidmonkey4262 wrote:
Ankhros wrote:
rabidmonkey4262 wrote:
No one is superior to any one else. NTs might be better at forming social networks, but aspies are good at hyperfocusing and acquiring information. Successful NTs might become great businessmen and politicians, but successful aspies can become great scientists and engineers.
By the way, you need basic social skills to be successful at anything. Do you really want to try applying for a research grant without talking to someone? Do you really think you can work on a design project without cooperating with a few NTs? The superiority attitude has no place in the adult world. If aspies don't learn basic social skills, they can't function in the world, regardless of their learning style or intelligence. There are very bright aspies that are stuck in their unrewarding lives because they either believe that they can't learn these things and have given up, or they believe that they are superior and they don't need silly social skills. It's not a matter of conformation to the NT world, but it is a matter of learning basic conversation skills. No one is superior, and no one is too good to have to learn these things.
I am the farthest thing from normal, but that non-conformist attitude cannot extend to school and work. If I didn't have at least passing social skills, there's no way I'd be able to run a piano studio, and I would definitely be very far from "superior." Even now I can't consider myself somehow superior, because there is always someone that can humble you.
By the way, you need basic social skills to be successful at anything. Do you really want to try applying for a research grant without talking to someone? Do you really think you can work on a design project without cooperating with a few NTs? The superiority attitude has no place in the adult world. If aspies don't learn basic social skills, they can't function in the world, regardless of their learning style or intelligence. There are very bright aspies that are stuck in their unrewarding lives because they either believe that they can't learn these things and have given up, or they believe that they are superior and they don't need silly social skills. It's not a matter of conformation to the NT world, but it is a matter of learning basic conversation skills. No one is superior, and no one is too good to have to learn these things.
I am the farthest thing from normal, but that non-conformist attitude cannot extend to school and work. If I didn't have at least passing social skills, there's no way I'd be able to run a piano studio, and I would definitely be very far from "superior." Even now I can't consider myself somehow superior, because there is always someone that can humble you.
You misunderstood what I said, and I get the impression that you are scolding me for it. For one thing, it is not your place to correct my attitude. I never asked for your advice. For another, I said the aspie way of thinking is superior to that of NTs, not that aspies themselves are better people than NTs. Next time don't jump to conclusions. Yes, that was me scolding you.
If you don't want people disagreeing with you, then maybe you shouldn't post your opinion? Just a thought. If you think that the NT way of thinking is superior, then you have some things to work out. If you don't want my advice, then don't take it. All I know is that it's working for me.
This isn't about opinions. This is about facts. It is a fact that you thought I was saying something that I wasn't, and it is a fact that your erroneous spin on what I said led you to act like a pompous fool. Now please bow out of this argument gracefully.
You're resorting to name-calling? You said the aspie way of thinking is superior, and I disagree. There's no need for condescension or hostility.
I didn't call you anything. Your complete lack of reading comprehension creates the need for hostility. Go away. I don't like you.
You did, actually. I comprehended that you called me a "pompous fool." Personal attacks are not tolerated on WP.
You comprehended wrong, and you don't scare me. Stop replying to me.
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30 Apr 2011, 12:16 am
Ankhros wrote:
rabidmonkey4262 wrote:
Ankhros wrote:
rabidmonkey4262 wrote:
Ankhros wrote:
rabidmonkey4262 wrote:
Ankhros wrote:
rabidmonkey4262 wrote:
No one is superior to any one else. NTs might be better at forming social networks, but aspies are good at hyperfocusing and acquiring information. Successful NTs might become great businessmen and politicians, but successful aspies can become great scientists and engineers.
By the way, you need basic social skills to be successful at anything. Do you really want to try applying for a research grant without talking to someone? Do you really think you can work on a design project without cooperating with a few NTs? The superiority attitude has no place in the adult world. If aspies don't learn basic social skills, they can't function in the world, regardless of their learning style or intelligence. There are very bright aspies that are stuck in their unrewarding lives because they either believe that they can't learn these things and have given up, or they believe that they are superior and they don't need silly social skills. It's not a matter of conformation to the NT world, but it is a matter of learning basic conversation skills. No one is superior, and no one is too good to have to learn these things.
I am the farthest thing from normal, but that non-conformist attitude cannot extend to school and work. If I didn't have at least passing social skills, there's no way I'd be able to run a piano studio, and I would definitely be very far from "superior." Even now I can't consider myself somehow superior, because there is always someone that can humble you.
By the way, you need basic social skills to be successful at anything. Do you really want to try applying for a research grant without talking to someone? Do you really think you can work on a design project without cooperating with a few NTs? The superiority attitude has no place in the adult world. If aspies don't learn basic social skills, they can't function in the world, regardless of their learning style or intelligence. There are very bright aspies that are stuck in their unrewarding lives because they either believe that they can't learn these things and have given up, or they believe that they are superior and they don't need silly social skills. It's not a matter of conformation to the NT world, but it is a matter of learning basic conversation skills. No one is superior, and no one is too good to have to learn these things.
I am the farthest thing from normal, but that non-conformist attitude cannot extend to school and work. If I didn't have at least passing social skills, there's no way I'd be able to run a piano studio, and I would definitely be very far from "superior." Even now I can't consider myself somehow superior, because there is always someone that can humble you.
You misunderstood what I said, and I get the impression that you are scolding me for it. For one thing, it is not your place to correct my attitude. I never asked for your advice. For another, I said the aspie way of thinking is superior to that of NTs, not that aspies themselves are better people than NTs. Next time don't jump to conclusions. Yes, that was me scolding you.
If you don't want people disagreeing with you, then maybe you shouldn't post your opinion? Just a thought. If you think that the NT way of thinking is superior, then you have some things to work out. If you don't want my advice, then don't take it. All I know is that it's working for me.
This isn't about opinions. This is about facts. It is a fact that you thought I was saying something that I wasn't, and it is a fact that your erroneous spin on what I said led you to act like a pompous fool. Now please bow out of this argument gracefully.
You're resorting to name-calling? You said the aspie way of thinking is superior, and I disagree. There's no need for condescension or hostility.
I didn't call you anything. Your complete lack of reading comprehension creates the need for hostility. Go away. I don't like you.
You did, actually. I comprehended that you called me a "pompous fool." Personal attacks are not tolerated on WP.
You comprehended wrong, and you don't scare me. Stop replying to me.
Is there another definition of "pompous fool" that I'm not aware of? I'm not trying to scare you.
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30 Apr 2011, 12:24 am
rabidmonkey4262 wrote:
Ankhros wrote:
rabidmonkey4262 wrote:
Is there another definition of "pompous fool" that I'm not aware of? I'm not trying to scare you.
Yes you were trying to scare me. You said that something something is not tolerated here.
I said you were acting like a pompous fool, not that you were a pompous fool. If I were to say that someone is as dumb as a post, does that mean I'm calling him a post? Is a person with catlike reflexes literally a cat? Maybe I'm not used to dealing with other aspies, or maybe I expect them to be able to read. Whatever it is, listen to what I am spelling out for you now. I said you are acting like a pompous fool. Sure, people who actually are pompous fools act that way, but we all do from time to time. It doesn't mean that's what we are. I'm sure that deep down, you are a good person, but it's not showing through in our interactions up to this point. You can go a long way toward showing some maturity and respectability if you just stop replying in this thread. Do something else. Water the lawn. Draw a picture of a house. Imagine what it would be like to have a pet dragon. Anything.
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30 Apr 2011, 12:27 am
I get off when another Aspie opines about my thought processes-
sort of like having a fellow vagina-owner speak for me,
or a white person proclaiming to know my experience by virtue of also being white.
Screw that noise.
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