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03 May 2011, 7:53 am

I've been listening to the same cd everyday for months now. I will listen to one cd constantly and then move on to another cd that I'll listen to constantly and then another, on and on and on. Movies are the same too; I get a favorite movie and watch it over and over again.

I guess it's just comforting when I can find something I just LOVE to hear or see. It's like I fall in love with it or something, as weird as that sounds.



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03 May 2011, 8:03 am

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I definitely think it is related to AS, depending on the extent that you do it. I have been listening to only 3 songs for over a year, one of these songs still feels "new" to me and I get a slightly uneasy feeling from it. Likewise I have one episode of a tv show on my ipod that I watch over and over. Hundreds of times. Yesterday I watched it 6 times. I don't believe that many NTs would do this, atleast, not for the same reasons. I don't do it because I "love" it, I do it because it brings me comfort, I know what to expect, and lets me escape the world.


Obsessive compulsion is not restricted to autistics. I knew an NT guy at uni who watched Star wars 75 times, he could memorise every line of by heart.



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03 May 2011, 10:07 am

I do that, I can do it for hours, listening to the same album over and over or the same song. Im not diagnosed AS but it's been something I've done since I was very young. Someone mentioned star wars? I used to watch the first star wars movie over and over, especially the very begining, In a galaxy far far away...... Loved it, rewind - play, rewind - play. I've never known any of my friends, especially when in high school who could stand to listen to the same song more than three times, I'd often get yelled at for doing that. I think its a soothing/coping mechanism.


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03 May 2011, 10:24 am

In past, yes, now i enjoy in silence. I very often click on facebook homepage.



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03 May 2011, 10:52 am

I played Red Hot Chili Peppers, Californication continuously for months; the whole album, not just one song., My son on the other hand, will watch the same episode of The Backyardigans over and over again, even though he has access to the first four seasons. This drives me bonkers, but I love him, so I go along with it. I've just learned to block it out, but catch myself singing the songs, even if the show isn't on. I gets "in there" and then you can't get rid of it!! :lol:



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03 May 2011, 11:35 am

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alexi wrote:
I definitely think it is related to AS, depending on the extent that you do it. I have been listening to only 3 songs for over a year, one of these songs still feels "new" to me and I get a slightly uneasy feeling from it. Likewise I have one episode of a tv show on my ipod that I watch over and over. Hundreds of times. Yesterday I watched it 6 times. I don't believe that many NTs would do this, atleast, not for the same reasons. I don't do it because I "love" it, I do it because it brings me comfort, I know what to expect, and lets me escape the world.


Obsessive compulsion is not restricted to autistics. I knew an NT guy at uni who watched Star wars 75 times, he could memorise every line of by heart.


Okay, since nothing autistic people do is restricted to autistic people, what does being autistic cause, precisely?

I am pretty sure I read Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass dozens of times because I am autistic and tend to get obsessed with the things I like. This doesn't mean that everyone who reads the same books over and over again is autistic, but it does mean that in my case, this is one of the effects that being autistic has had on me.



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03 May 2011, 8:16 pm

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Okay, since nothing autistic people do is restricted to autistic people, what does being autistic cause, precisely?I am pretty sure I read Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass dozens of times because I am autistic and tend to get obsessed with the things I like. This doesn't mean that everyone who reads the same books over and over again is autistic, but it does mean that in my case, this is one of the effects that being autistic has had on me.


Ok I recall you previously stated AS is under the HFA umbrella but then quickly drew distinctions to differentiate AS on the issue of speech delay. An Australian psychologist Tony Attwood has found no difference in IQ, behaviour or cognitions between HFAs and AS as they reach adulthood (this seems common sense given Eisntein and Mozart had speech delays), This will be reflected in DSMV when it's published in 2012 and mark the end of "formal" recognition of AS as a stand alone label.

Your question....What does being Autistic cause?

Lets start by re-inventing the wheel. What is autism? Kanner and Asperger provided labels to patients they saw in the 1940's who exhibited specific traits they deemed they "hold in common". In recent years these collective traits are thought to be under the control of multiple loci (genes). As a result the autism labels that were held to be "absolute" were now found to exist over a spectrum.

I'll pose a question myself:
Can you produce a prototype "autistic person"? what about a prototype "Aspergers"
The answer is no. Because despite the cluster of people conveniently labelled under the autism (or even PDD) umbrella sharing characteristic traits, each one is actually unique in how these traits manifest, like a thumb print.

Think of this like family resemblence. In our immediate family we share specific charecteristics in common like big noses, red hair, freckles or being tall. But if you take 20 members of an extended family the individual traits I described may only manifest in 40% of the group but collectively the shared overlapping characteristics provide a neat way to classify the group as one family. It's the same with autism.

Hand flapping, poor motor skills, speech delay, temper tantrums and a brilliant IQ may all manifest in one individual with autism but another may have a couple of those aforementioned characteristics but in addition have poor eye contact and highly developed speech.



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03 May 2011, 8:28 pm

I would listen to the same song for 2-3 hrs straight.



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03 May 2011, 9:48 pm

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Ok I recall you previously stated AS is under the HFA umbrella but then quickly drew distinctions to differentiate AS on the issue of speech delay. An Australian psychologist Tony Attwood has found no difference in IQ, behaviour or cognitions between HFAs and AS as they reach adulthood (this seems common sense given Eisntein and Mozart had speech delays), This will be reflected in DSMV when it's published in 2012 and mark the end of "formal" recognition of AS as a stand alone label.


I said that because it is in the diagnostic criteria, not because I believe the lack of a speech delay provides a meaningful distinction from an "autistic" label. I am sorry if I was unclear, I simply meant "lack of a speech delay generally means someone will be diagnosed AS instead of PDD-NOS or HFA," but that otherwise there isn't much of a distinction.

Your response here seems to directly contradict what you said that I responded to, though.

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Your question....What does being Autistic cause?

Lets start by re-inventing the wheel. What is autism? Kanner and Asperger provided labels to patients they saw in the 1940's who exhibited specific traits they deemed they "hold in common". In recent years these collective traits are thought to be under the control of multiple loci (genes). As a result the autism labels that were held to be "absolute" were now found to exist over a spectrum.

I'll pose a question myself:
Can you produce a prototype "autistic person"? what about a prototype "Aspergers"
The answer is no. Because despite the cluster of people conveniently labelled under the autism (or even PDD) umbrella sharing characteristic traits, each one is actually unique in how these traits manifest, like a thumb print.

Think of this like family resemblence. In our immediate family we share specific charecteristics in common like big noses, red hair, freckles or being tall. But if you take 20 members of an extended family the individual traits I described may only manifest in 40% of the group but collectively the shared overlapping characteristics provide a neat way to classify the group as one family. It's the same with autism.

Hand flapping, poor motor skills, speech delay, temper tantrums and a brilliant IQ may all manifest in one individual with autism but another may have a couple of those aforementioned characteristics but in addition have poor eye contact and highly developed speech.


I think you missed my point - this thread is about a trait that seems to be at least somewhat common in autistic people. I've seen it referenced in books and other discussions about it. I may have missed what you were getting at when you said that obsessive compulsion is not restricted to autistics.

The reason I asked the question is that I am a bit frustrated with "Well, NTs do that too!" And I mean, of course they do. And there are a lot of reasons they might do it, but this doesn't mean that a particular thing isn't caused by autism in an autistic person.



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03 May 2011, 11:43 pm

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Your response here seems to directly contradict what you said that I responded to, though..

Apologies if it came out that way.



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03 May 2011, 11:47 pm

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Verdandi wrote:
Your response here seems to directly contradict what you said that I responded to, though..

Apologies if it came out that way.


It's cool. Thanks.

I wasn't assuming ill will, if that helps. I usually don't assume much at all unless someone's explicit about it.



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04 May 2011, 12:02 am

Verdandi wrote:
I think you missed my point - this thread is about a trait that seems to be at least somewhat common in autistic people. I've seen it referenced in books and other discussions about it. I may have missed what you were getting at when you said that obsessive compulsion is not restricted to autistics. The reason I asked the question is that I am a bit frustrated with "Well, NTs do that too!" And I mean, of course they do. And there are a lot of reasons they might do it, but this doesn't mean that a particular thing isn't caused by autism in an autistic person.

No worries I think we are generally on the same page then. However, specific behavioral traits in autistic individuals do manifest in NTs due to various disorders. In particular, people with damaged amygdalas (brain limbic system) may often express autistic type behavior. Certain children on the ADHD spectrum are often mistaken as autistic. Having said this, the commonality of a number of these so called "autistic traits" in individuals is what is picked up in the autism or AS scales as indicative of a person who can then be diagnosed as autistic or AS.



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04 May 2011, 2:34 am

This morning i repeat this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JnGBs88 ... dded#at=25



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05 May 2011, 2:42 pm

My 5yr old daughter plays Dynamite by Taio Cruz over and over. She's not obsessing about Mr Cruz at all (I don't even think she knows his name), just the song.



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05 May 2011, 2:47 pm

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everday i listen the same set of music compuslivly kind of like a habit. is this type of aspergers behaviour or could it something to do with me having OCD as well?

I do it really too escape into my own world and forget about reality.........


I know NTs who do this also

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05 May 2011, 9:54 pm

Jamesy wrote:
everday i listen the same set of music compuslivly kind of like a habit. is this type of aspergers behaviour or could it something to do with me having OCD as well?

I do it really too escape into my own world and forget about reality.........

I do that, too. I like listening to the same song over and over and like certain parts of my favorite songs. They sound so beautiful.