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26 Jun 2011, 7:27 pm

Ah, also I was missing a lot of sleep and was sleep deprived most days around that time, so maybe that contributed to it?
I'm pretty sure the pot isn't the cause of why I got the paranoid delusions, but it did intensify them due to my already pretty bad social anxiety and paranoia about people wanting to set me up for trouble.
But, this was from smoking too much pot. I used to get high when I first started pot when I was 18 years old, and I was careful about it, only smoking once on each weekend, and I was happy, and wasn't paranoid.

I smoked only a little bit back then, and was very careful not to smoke so much that I would get paranoid.
But then, someday, I ended up smoking pot everyday, and all day almost like smoking a pack of cigarettes each and everyday, and I didn't even get high, ever.
But, I was still myself, my paranoid anxiety ridden self, and the pot, even though it did not get me high, still has it's slight negative side effects of providing a slight bad pot trip when under bad circumstances.



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26 Jun 2011, 8:08 pm

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According to some of the things I've read, we tend to have an ingrained "low to medium level of paranoia."

I found and find myself, before cannabis, looking over my shoulder and thinking things are suspicious, but I just remember that it's me being paranoid and more than likely a wrong suspicion(and it usually proves to be wrong.).

That was a thing I had when I was younger, I thought maybe I was like a paranoid schizophrenic, but I'm not, it's just Aspergers, and from the things I've read the two are not all that dissimilar, or at least the symptoms are in some ways similar. Talking to oneself, fascination with certain subjects. One of the books I read about this subject from a clinical psychiatrist was saying that he suspects that many atypical/paranoid schizophrenics who were diagnosed prior to the 90's may have in fact just been people with AS who were misdiagnosed.

In my opinion that's revolting and sad if true, but I do see pot contributing to paranoia if you allow yourself to believe it. Like I said earlier, going into it with a strong mind and knowing that it's only the effects of a drug does wonders to ease your paranoia. I also got suspicious that my brother-in-law was messing with me, and I still think that to a degree, but once I talked it out with him(which was hellish), it turns out it was him in a misguided attempt to be sensitive about Aspergers and kind of failing really hard. I had a meltdown over this actually, ended up under a table, rocking.

And that's why you shouldn't mix caffeine pills/no sleep/and pot. But that's another story.

Either way: I can understand linking schizophrenia and pot, but I think there are more factors than marijuana alone.


Intrestingly enough I was talking to one of my aunts who I am pretty sure has schizophrenia or something simular......and she said weed is the only thing that shuts the voices up. but yeah you would never suspect it because she has no problem keeping a job and is happy with her life. So I think it all varies quite a bit.



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26 Jun 2011, 8:17 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Intrestingly enough I was talking to one of my aunts who I am pretty sure has schizophrenia or something simular......and she said weed is the only thing that shuts the voices up. but yeah you would never suspect it because she has no problem keeping a job and is happy with her life. So I think it all varies quite a bit.


ALSO interestingly enough, my aunt is of a similar way, but she seems more like Aspergers than anything, my dad is VERY AS and his brother is too, and I suspect that she is too. She can draw with incredible realism, and a whole bunch of other things. She's in her 50's, and her medication has, as far as I've been told, always been effective, which is rare as far as I know.

Now, it's highly possible that I'm wrong, and I don't know the whole story, but she was diagnosed way back in the 60's, and she seems like an Aspie to me.

This is kind of unrelated to pot and aspies, but it is an interesting thing. I often find that my internal monologue shuts up more often when I'm smoking, which could be a similar aspect, so I wonder if there's some sort of conclusion we could logically draw from this, but I'm not sure.


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26 Jun 2011, 11:48 pm

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California... yeah, I guess I didn't consider that it might be different where ever it is you might live.

Damn it, this whole topic and everyone's messages is almost making wish I could do pot again, but only on rare occasions probably. And, I think I would not smoke it, but eat it instead, never tried that.
My psychiatrist was always trying to get me to stop smoking pot as medication because he says it's bad for people with anxiety and depression...

But, that doesn't make sense, since it seemed to make me less depressed and calmed me down a bit... but, I did use it WAY too much, and got crazy paranoid delusions that my neighbors could hear my thoughts and were watching me and making fun of me 24/7... I still get paranoid that my neighbors can hear my thoughts and I get bad auditory illusions of them laughing at me and name calling me, and it has been a whole year since my last pot smoke (I never actually got high because I used it so much that my tolerance was insanely high).
But, that was from using too much everyday. I didn't realize that too much would have such an effect. I was a bit obsessed with pot actually.

Sometimes I drink several beers, like twice a month, and I know better not to overdo it from my experience from smoking too much pot.
I wonder if using weed every once in a while, like once a month, would that do any harm to my paranoid delusions you think? :scratch:


It will actually release a lot of useless stress you have, but quality over quantity. First you need a good attitude, because the #1 most important thing is your mood before you smoke. Try a little bit - If your feelin' good, smoke some more.

THC doesn't work unless you use a fat with it, so you have to prepare the herb properly to cook with it.


http://forum.grasscity.com/recreational-marijuana-use/201214-i-just-got-my-anti-marijuana-dad-high-2.html wrote:
In order to convert THC into a form more appropriate for intestinal absorption it must undergo decarboxylization (breaking off of the COOH group) by heating in order for it to have a significant effect at a reasonable dose. In addition, by extracting THC into a fat, you make it much more available to be processed and metabolized in your GI tract.


The #1 thing you hear is that your attitude before you get stoned is what will result in a good or bad "trip" (if you could call smoking herb a trip, it's more... a tool to detect your sense of quality in things, therefore increasing you awareness & creativity)

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I was a heavy pot smoker during my college days 40 years ago (as well as many other drugs... my favorite was LSD... the real stuff, not the dangerous substitutes out there now). I never did really like cannabis that much though because it made me withdraw into myself more when I desperately wanted to be able to relate to people. I did sleep more easily in those days though and now that I am a total hermit wish I had the cannabis to help me sleep again.


Good post, I definitely understand where your coming from (about cannabis). If you have really good quality LSD, you won't have a bad trip either it's a really mild and soothing affect not a roller coaster with devil faces popping out at you everywhere.



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28 Jun 2011, 4:31 am

I´ve found the herb very helpful when I eat a muffin with some mary jane just not enough to get me actually high. It´s like a form of therapy to me. I tend to get "stuck" on the smallest things, but when I bite a little muffin I can just deal with it then let go and feel fine. It also helps me to socialize, but when I take more it makes me more introvert too.



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29 Jun 2011, 7:13 pm

MrBoob wrote:
I´ve found the herb very helpful when I eat a muffin with some mary jane just not enough to get me actually high. It´s like a form of therapy to me. I tend to get "stuck" on the smallest things, but when I bite a little muffin I can just deal with it then let go and feel fine. It also helps me to socialize, but when I take more it makes me more introvert too.


It makes socializing easier and more enjoyable for me and also makes me more introverted, its unusual.....but yeah basically i will zone out for half the time I am under the influence and socialize for the other half. it also depends on how high I get and what type of strain it is.



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07 Jul 2011, 5:04 pm

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I've only smoked once and couldn't get high.

I've also tried vicodin, and after taking dosages as high as 1.5 grams, I did not feel any different.


You usually don't get high on the 1st time. On the 2nd time, that's when you usually start being able to get high.

I don't smoke often, but I do smoke it. I love it. It's great. Though, the 1st time I really got high was really scary. I had a horrible freak out. The stuff was really good (We actually thought it was gonna be bad since it was coming from someone who has that reputation) and I was in a unfamiliar place and I also was feeling sad for some reason. So, I had like 6 hits within 2 minutes. It was scary. I was pretty out of it. That was a while ago and yet, it still doesn't feel real to me.
But, ever since then, I've been better with it and now take control of my hits. I like being stoned but, not where I can't control myself.


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08 Jul 2011, 2:36 am

I've had a grudge against marijuana for several years due to its effects on people I've known and still know, but it's really not the drug itself that causes inconsiderate behavior and dependency. Maturity and a person's purpose for smoking make up how they behave while high. Lately, I've become more interested in using specifically for medicinal, spiritual and creative purposes. It's hard to not associate weed with certain obnoxious subcultures, but I'm trying to move past my annoyances. I'm more interested in strains that have less cannabinoids for a clear-headed experience rather than being couch-locked.


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21 Aug 2011, 2:24 am

Weed is a life saver for me. It puts me in a better mood and calms me down. Whenever I feel like I'm about to explode, I light up a joint and all the little things I worry about are not such a big deal anymore and some of the racing thoughts in my head go away. It also helps my art.



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21 Aug 2011, 3:50 am

I've grown up straight-edge so I've never been interested in trying it. I have been curious as to what it feels like to be high, although I will most likely never try it. I imagine it kind of feels like eating a cupcake while skydiving while listening to dubstep. But that probably won't ever happen, either. So...

I mean, my life without it has been wonderful. I would prefer to indulge in food. Just saying. I haven't really ever been depressed. And having worries has actually pushed me to do better at or fix whatever it is I am worrying about. I'm not saying people who smoke marijuana are unproductive, often far from it. I just feel I would be too disconnected if I did smoke, as if my brain isn't already bonked enough.


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29 Aug 2011, 12:02 am

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I imagine it kind of feels like eating a cupcake while skydiving while listening to dubstep.




This sentence is amazing. =D



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13 Mar 2012, 3:02 pm

i have always suffered bad anxiety, depression, and the oh so terrible social issues, in 8th grade i started smoking pot, and it helped all my issues in some way, i dont know of anything else that can give me the quality of life marijuana does. i once used to take Methyphenidate(Concerta) for my ADHD, it DID help my ADHD but it made it to where i couldnt sleep, i would focus much easier in class but i would sometimes go days without sleeping, very similar to when me and my friends would snort Vyvanse a few years later. marijuana allows me to focus, helps calm me down, gets rid of my depression, and its a social leveler so i was suddenly able to socialize without as much difficulty as i used to have, it allowed people to take the time to see who i am inside instead of just judging me when they first meet me. hell im even more motivated in life while smoking pot, after i started smoking pot is when i started taking responsibility in my life, small steps at first like just doingmy own laundry and waking myself up between 4-5am every day, but still. also i recently stopped smoking pot until i get my cannabis card, its $50 in my town, and ALL my grades in school significantly dropped when i stopped because i lost motivation to succeed in life and do my best. 4 months now without pot and the only differences is im now reverting to how i used to be BEFORE i started smoking, and life isnt as much fun now but thats it, 4 years of smoking pot on nearly a daily basis has done nothing negative to my intellect or my memory, my memory is actually slightly better then when i didnt smoke, i had TERRIBLE short term memory loss back then


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13 Mar 2012, 7:10 pm

Weed is something I don't recommend for everyone since everyone responds to it differently...it could help one person and hurt another. I feel that if weed makes you gain unhealthy behaviours, you should avoid it, but if it does the opposite, it could have the potential to help you.

For myself, it has been incredibly beneficial in helping me conquer my anxiety, depressive thoughts and obsessive behaviour. Instead of focusing on a few specific things or thoughts like I usually do, it pushes me towards different ways of looking at a situation. I will focus less on my obsessions and more towards the things that other people think about.

I become more open minded to other people, even people I would feel anxious around and I tend to become more empathic towards them. I tend to socialize and do "chit-chat" more confidently on weed. I also do a lot of writing while on it, and through this I have realized who I really am and the things I really value, apart from the negativity that usually clouds everything over.

The best metaphor I can use for this is that my unhealthy and self-sabotaging thoughts are all scribbled on a chalkboard, and weed is like the eraser that wipes them away, leaving room for more positive thoughts to be written down. Of course, I don't advocate using it every day or worshipping it like some people I know do, but it has the potential to be very helpful and for you to overcome your psychological hurdles if you use it for the right reasons.



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13 Mar 2012, 7:29 pm

anneurysm wrote:
Weed is something I don't recommend for everyone since everyone responds to it differently...it could help one person and hurt another. I feel that if weed makes you gain unhealthy behaviours, you should avoid it, but if it does the opposite, it could have the potential to help you.

For myself, it has been incredibly beneficial in helping me conquer my anxiety, depressive thoughts and obsessive behaviour. Instead of focusing on a few specific things or thoughts like I usually do, it pushes me towards different ways of looking at a situation. I will focus less on my obsessions and more towards the things that other people think about.

I become more open minded to other people, even people I would feel anxious around and I tend to become more empathic towards them. I tend to socialize and do "chit-chat" more confidently on weed. I also do a lot of writing while on it, and through this I have realized who I really am and the things I really value, apart from the negativity that usually clouds everything over.

The best metaphor I can use for this is that my unhealthy and self-sabotaging thoughts are all scribbled on a chalkboard, and weed is like the eraser that wipes them away, leaving room for more positive thoughts to be written down. Of course, I don't advocate using it every day or worshipping it like some people I know do, but it has the potential to be very helpful and for you to overcome your psychological hurdles if you use it for the right reasons.


very well said, and experiences like ours seem to be very common among aspies

in California the average price for cannabis cards is $120-$200 but in my town a place called Strawberry Alarm Clock sells them once a month every month for $50

http://www.mercedsunstar.com/2012/03/07 ... buted.html


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13 Mar 2012, 11:50 pm

I smoked weed alot, it's just my way of dealing with my problems. It gets rid of social anxiety and my other problems.



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14 Mar 2012, 5:07 am

I like Pot, but it makes me feel ret*d. I move even more strange, tend to get fixated on things a lot, stim, and generally I feel it makes my symptoms increase by a ton. On the other hand, It takes away my anxiety and depressive feelings, so I like it. It just takes away any copping mechanisms that I use and I forget to attempt to look or act normal,but I don't mind it.