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Robdemanc
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11 Aug 2011, 3:52 am

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What is your issue? Is it that the mental health team doesn't think you have a mental problem? Do you think you have one? I wouldn't say AS is a mental health problem, but mental health issues can arise because of it. Maybe this doctor didn't percieve you to be suffering mentally because of being on the spectrum. Also 15 mins is not long enough to assess I don't think. Get a second opinion if you can for a fuller assessment.

Are you depressed? or anxious etc? What brought you to the doctor in the first place?


I'm not depressed but can get anxious in certain situations. Ive suspected I've had AS for a while now and wanted a diagnosis for me. In a way it explains a lot of issues to me from my childhood. I felt good after the assessment. For the first time that it was ok to be me. Sounds weird but it was like questions I had about my childhood were answered.

Do you think I'm looking at this from the wrong angle? Sorry if I'm flapping but this is only the 3rd time I've talked about my problems to anyone.


No I can relate to what you say about feeling good after finding out about AS. It is like a relief to know what has been the issue over the years. I am similar to you as I only got a diagnosis last year and it explained my life very well.



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11 Aug 2011, 11:55 am

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This is for any women here who suspect that they have Aspergers; I was reading Aspergirls and it is said we are often misdiagnosed with mental disorders--usually bipolar disorder because of our meltdowns, etc. I was diagnosed with GAD and Depression when I was 9, but then bipolar when I was 19--and after my "ten minute diagnosis" he said my problem with social phobia. My conclusion?

They don't know what they're talking about and you have to be VERY careful.

Surreal, my story is just about the same. I think I was diagnosed with bipolar through a one hour diagnosis, because I told them when I was in grade school, I would get overwhelmed and start sobbing--I called them meltdowns. I worked at Taco Bell as a teenager and one day there was JUST TOO MUCH. Too many customers, too many people talking, the bathroom was flooding. I see it now as a flashback and all I remember is HOW DAMN BRIGHT the restaurant was. And how many people there was--before I knew about Aspergers I told them I felt like I was overstimulated since I felt even as a child I do not do well when there is too much going on at once. I lost it at the job. Locked myself in the bathroom sobbing and ran out of the store in full freak out mode. When I told them that, they said I'm bipolar and gave me HEAVY drugs that I felt like I did not need!

At this point, I don't think a diagnose is even worth it unless you really need it. If you think you have it, then you probably do.


So then the little story about when I was made to go to a classmate's birthday party in the first grade at a new school and hid under the bed because of the environment I was in was probably an indicator that there was a problem then :?: The fact that I still feel the need to retreat from interaction (especially too noisy/busy) - even in situations where I know the people well shows the common thread in my life :?:


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11 Aug 2011, 12:06 pm

Tom, what you got there is NOT a diagnostic report. It's a set of observational notes based on a fifteen minute visit that NO good professional worth his/her salt would ever take seriously.

All they are saying is that based on that fifteen minutes of observation they didn't see any reason to look further.

Sounds to me like the pace you went to was some kind of clinic that handles a LOT of cases, and is mostly geared toward identifying urgent problems, not Autism. You need to go to a doctor that SPECIALIZES in Autism. Don't ever take the word of your "local mental health team."

They have to put something in the report. You can't expect any major revelations from a fifteen minute visit unless your telling them you hear voices, are going to kill yourself, or something else equally hair raising. It's the wrong place for that.


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11 Aug 2011, 12:14 pm

MrXxx wrote:
Tom, what you got there is NOT a diagnostic report. It's a set of observational notes based on a fifteen minute visit that NO good professional worth his/her salt would ever take seriously.

All they are saying is that based on that fifteen minutes of observation they didn't see any reason to look further.

Sounds to me like the pace you went to was some kind of clinic that handles a LOT of cases, and is mostly geared toward identifying urgent problems, not Autism. You need to go to a doctor that SPECIALIZES in Autism. Don't ever take the word of your "local mental health team."

They have to put something in the report. You can't expect any major revelations from a fifteen minute visit unless your telling them you hear voices, are going to kill yourself, or something else equally hair raising. It's the wrong place for that.


They did actually ask a few times if I was a danger to myself or others. I think I may look into seeing a specialist.

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11 Aug 2011, 12:18 pm

The council chamber setting also sends the message that they are assessing you for disability benefits, not any particular impairment. Did you apply for something that necessitated the assessment?



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11 Aug 2011, 12:44 pm

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The council chamber setting also sends the message that they are assessing you for disability benefits, not any particular impairment. Did you apply for something that necessitated the assessment?


Nope, nothing at all like that. I'm actually employed.

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15 Aug 2011, 1:12 pm

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I've only been a member of the forums since I *thought* I had AS after visiting my local mental health team a couple of weeks ago. During the assessment I was asked a lot of questions about my past, I explained about being diagnosed with hyperactivity as a child (im 30 now) and other things that lead me to believe I have AS. But there is only so much you can explain in 15 minutes. I didn't get a chance to explain the things like the 2 years if hell taking my stepdaughter to school when my partner was ill. None of the other parents would talk to me they made rumors etc it was effing aweful. There was so much I wanted to explain but I find opening up to people I know hard enough let alone opening up to some random doctor. No tests of any type were done either.

At the end of my 15 minute assessment one of the two doctors said to me basically that he thought I was on the "spectrum" but that I was very aware of my condition and that it would be more a case of self help rather than medical intervention. I was fine with this assessment as I'm not really the type of person that accepts help from others anyway.

Anyway, this morning I got a letter stating that I have no mental disorder. It stated that in the interview I made eye contact, expressed some humor (wtf) and was well presented. Now I know eyecontact is a big factor in the diagnosis of AS, its something that doesn't come naturally to me but I know now its something I need to do. Especially when discussing important issues as I was. As for the other reasons, people with AS can express humor, right? And I didn't know that scruffyness was a requirement of AS.

Sorry for all this crap but in my life I have no-one who understands this. On my Droid so its probably full of grammatical errors lol.


Sounds like my shrink: "You probably have AS but what is the point of diagnosing you? It would be like saying you are defective, it's better you think you are peculiar" and such.

Anyway if they didn't diagnose you of course they said you were fine in the report.

Making eye contact and humour means almost nothing, though, just that you are not an extreme case.


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15 Aug 2011, 2:03 pm

I don't know whether you have AS or not but what I can say for sure is that you NEED to get a second opinion. Proper diagnosis is a process that takes a long while over several visits. Also I would report that quack to the board as soon as possible. He/she is a danger to the community being able to practice.


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15 Aug 2011, 2:49 pm

Lolz. Just out of curiosity Tom... Are you in Canada?
I'm in Ontario and in my thirties, and I got the exact same scenario & result
(at a so called Asperger's/Autism expert)

Him: You don't have it
Me: Wha? We've only seen each other twice for like 15 minutes each time. (Over 6 weeks)
Him: You don't have it
Me: Wha.. Bu.. How are you sure?
Him: There are certain physical characteristics we looks for
Me: Um.. well what.. I'm still having troubles with life, what DO I have?
Him: Maybe it's some sort of learning disorder
By this point I was just so flustered that I sat there for a while
Me: So what do I do next?
That flustered him. Finally he said
Him: Well I'll set you up with a career counsellor. I have another patient waiting.

He never did set up that counsellor and I waited 3 months before calling back and finding that they had closed my file that day and that in order to get any help I'd need to go through the whole process again. Which isn't easy when you can't find a family doctor / GP who's accepting patients.



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15 Aug 2011, 3:34 pm

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Lolz. Just out of curiosity Tom... Are you in Canada?
I'm in Ontario and in my thirties, and I got the exact same scenario & result
(at a so called Asperger's/Autism expert)

Him: You don't have it
Me: Wha? We've only seen each other twice for like 15 minutes each time. (Over 6 weeks)
Him: You don't have it
Me: Wha.. Bu.. How are you sure?
Him: There are certain physical characteristics we looks for
Me: Um.. well what.. I'm still having troubles with life, what DO I have?
Him: Maybe it's some sort of learning disorder
By this point I was just so flustered that I sat there for a while
Me: So what do I do next?
That flustered him. Finally he said
Him: Well I'll set you up with a career counsellor. I have another patient waiting.

He never did set up that counsellor and I waited 3 months before calling back and finding that they had closed my file that day and that in order to get any help I'd need to go through the whole process again. Which isn't easy when you can't find a family doctor / GP who's accepting patients.


What physical characteristics????



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15 Aug 2011, 3:42 pm

Tsukimi wrote:
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Him: There are certain physical characteristics we looks for


What physical characteristics????


Yeah I was wondering the same thing. I reasoned that he must have been talking about my eye contact, which is fairly decent after 30+ years of being screamed at by parents and everyone else to look at the face when talking.

I should have pointed out to him his habit of playing with his nostrils as he ignored everything I said, and asked if that was a physical symptom of idontgiveadamn syndrome.



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16 Aug 2011, 3:36 am

Diagnosing children and adults are quite different things. If your doctor have no experience in diagnosing adults it is very possible that he/she well make wrong conclusion. I believe that some traits are more obvious in children. For example, when I was about 15, I forced myself to make eye-contact while talking with others, however I never learn it, I always feel uncomfortable, unnatural, nerves to look at someone's eyes. But at least I make more eye-contact now.

If you are an adult, have no severe problem, most doctors well comfort you and tell you just go home. You may notice that they are passive about your diagnosis because they don't think that diagnosis could help you anything(this is truth).



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16 Aug 2011, 3:31 pm

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How exactly is AS not a mental health problem......


It is a neurobiological problem. Both "in" the brain somehow, but still different. AS is not considered one of the mental health disorders.


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16 Aug 2011, 3:33 pm

As others have said, I too would suggest you get a second opinion. My diagnosis took hours and I am clearly autistic with no coping mechanisms that I am aware of in place. She still did not diagnose me right away. To refuse a diagnosis or to diagnose in a matter of 15 minutes is ridiculous. They can make an ASSUMPTION in that time, but not a definitive diagnosis. Also, when they said no mental health issues...maybe they were not referring to ASD. No idea, but I don't think many qualified psychs (qualified to diagnose ASDs, I mean) would consider autism to be a mental health disorder.


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16 Aug 2011, 3:54 pm

The way you make eye contact is as important as whether you make it, it's usually unnatural in AS kids; older kids and adults may learn through their intellectual capacity to mimic the eye contact they notice between other people.


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16 Aug 2011, 4:27 pm

I have some horror stories too. Not too long ago, I've had a couple of shrinks plus a psychiatrist tell me within 5 minutes of my very first visit with each of them that I was bi-polar. Is it because I am female? IDK, but it's stupid to make generalizations about anyone without delving deeper into the patient's psyche. Now what makes this interesting is that about years ago I was tested extensively, & my shrink at that time, couldn't give me a DX. So how is it that many years later I am bi-polar & DXd after just a few minutes of speaking with the shrink? And with no testing what-so-ever? I just can't fathom it, unless it's because they're making huge profits along with the pharmaceuticals companies who like to dole out drugs like candy. 8O I am not a guinea pig, & I refuse to go along with this craziness. Reminds me of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, only this is real life...mine! I have learned to mimic eye contact, but it can be erratic. Also, if someone comments that I am lying because of where I point my eyes, inevitably, my eyes always point in that direction. It happens like that everytime. Btw, I suck at lying...couldn't do it if my life depended on it. And the people doing the accusing know that I am a horrible liar. Go figure.

It got even better with the psychiatrist who blathered on & on about putting me on some powerful meds for bi-polar (without testing). I refused any meds & a prescription at that point. I have seen what being on the wrong medication can do to a person, & I was not going down that road. Then she added that I must spend tons of money at casinos self-medicating my issues (45 minutes into my 1st meeting). I despise casinos & tried to explain that to her. She refused to hear me at that point about my explanation. Sensory issues galore have assaulted me whenever I've gone to casinos in the past with my parents (gambling addicts themselves). I don't gamble, don't like the noise, the cigarette smoke, the flashing lights, etc. (Before I went into her office, I made a promise to myself that if things got stupid, I'd leave.) So at that point, I stood up, grabbed my bag, & left her office without looking back! She was still chatting away as I left. I'm not even sure she realized I wasn't going to sit back down & continue for the next 15 minutes wasting more of my time.

I am hoping I will now get my DX. It's the only one that makes sense. I know Aspergers is rare in females, but I have been doing extensive research for several years now, & it makes complete sense. Also the list of female traits fits me like a glove, I have aspects of nearly every issue listed.

Now I am seeing a new shrink, & she agreed to have me tested. I am not quite happy with the doctor because at my last meeting with her, she insinuated I was at complete fault for things I cannot control. However, I have been able to start the testing & have another round tomorrow. So far, I've spent 3 hours meeting with the doctor who tests for Aspergers/Autism specificially. And surprisingly, I like her! She asked a multitude of questions before actually having me take the test. Tomorrow it's the cognitive & some other tests I'll be taking. So at least I am now on the right track, after years of being derailed by idiots. I don't care how much education a person has, if they cannot listen to their patients about what's going on, the patient is not going to get treated properly for his/her issues. Also the person who wants help is not going to be happy either with the doctor/social worker/etc.


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