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19 Aug 2011, 6:33 pm

I've experienced lying in bed half-asleep but unable to move multiple times. There's an odd feeling when I try to will myself to move. I will think I'm rolling over or sitting up, but then I suddenly "snap" back into the position I was in before with a strong buzzing sensation / brain rush feeling. I've come to believe that some of these "willed" movements are like hallucinations where I think I'm fully awake but in reality I'm still asleep and frozen still.

When I was younger (before I knew what sleep paralysis was) I would get highly paranoid that there was someone in the room watching me from just out of sight or think I was seeing moving shadows near the corner of my eye. I've also had freaky auditory hallucinations like hearing my name yelled or a loud crashing noise when I've been drifting in and out of a really light sleep.



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19 Aug 2011, 6:44 pm

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There was one occasion when I was about four...I woke up with my eyes open and the sun shining directly in them...and I couldn't breathe. I couldn't move anything...not even my chest just to inhale and exhale. I started to feel dizzy and, thankfully, made this violent jerky movement that snapped me out of it. Threw myself out of the bed. Didn't sleep for days after the incident.

I've read quite a bit on this and the evidence is that you are still breathing involuntarily even if you can't feel it or control it. You're never in any more risk of suffocation than you would be in ordinary sleep where you aren't even conscious of your breathing rhythm. It's just a frightening sensation with no real physical danger.



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19 Aug 2011, 6:59 pm

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I went back to sleep only to wake up at about 9:45; however, I could not open my eyes or move my body. I felt someone get into bed next to me, but I knew that my wife was gone. I was still in a dream, but I was also aware of the world around me. I could feel my jaw flapping in reality. In my dream my mind turned the sensation of someone getting into the bed next to me into my wife. I tried to get up, but I still could not move. I tried screaming for help, but hand no control of my mouth and nothing would come out. My wife was telling me things that did not make any sense. Then, she started to yell at me for not getting up. In the dream part, I knew that my wife was not really there, so I got angry at the representation of my wife. I grabbed her by the throat and threw her down the stairs. She began slowly gliding down through the air, so I jumped onto her as she was falling and rode her like a surfboard to the bottom.

I've had dreams similar to this. Once I was alone napping where I thought I woke up from the doorbell ringing incessantly (as if there was someone extremely impatient waiting for me to get up and open the door. Then I thought I got up to go answer the doorbell when I was actually dreaming. I noticed I couldn't feel my feet and seemed to be hovering rather than walking when I realized I was still dreaming. Then I "woke up" again to the feeling of draft entering the room, as if someone had opened the door. Only I couldn't roll over to see who it was. Of course when I finally woke up completely the door was still shut. Freaky.



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19 Aug 2011, 9:12 pm

First of all, a lot of people have already made some very good comments, but I must admit it was difficult for me to even read this thread as it brings about a slew of emotions. I have experienced sleep paralysis, out of body experiences (vestibular disturbances), false awakenings, lucid nightmares, sensations of intense pain and things that can only be compared to a psychedelic acid trip since I was a child. I won't write the epic post that is busting out of me, but I consider myself to be quite knowledgeable on this topic.

My mother recalls me telling her of dreams where I could not move and I would swear I screamed for her and that there was a stranger in the room. I'm 37 years old now, and for most of my life, sleep paralysis has occurred 1-2 times a week. The false awakenings and lucid nightmares are more frequent, and the out of body experiences are something I can predict and even cause. I lived in fear for most of my life, not learning of sleep paralysis until I was 32 years old. I've contacted the leading experts in the field for help because the doctors were putting me on anti-psychotics because they thought I was hallucinating.

As for the seizures, that's something you'll need to talk to a doctor about but I do know that some seizures are not harmful and there's reason to believe I have seizures since I had them when I was 6 years old due to a high fever. I often feel intense pain in my jaw and as if an electrical storm is going off in my brain. In fact, I have a vivid memory of being paralyzed by sensations of being shocked repeatedly when I was a child. I have to assume that if I have seizures, then I've had them my entire life and so far, I'm healthy. I also feel like I'm shrinking which there is a term for but I can't think of it right now. Macro something.

Anyway, there's a book by Dr. Jorge Conesa called Wrestling with Ghosts. Conesa is one of the few scientific researchers in this field that actually experience the phenomena. It's a very poetic scientific reference book and it helped me a lot. Plus, I emailed him with questions and he responded immediately and offered further assistance. My sensory integration issues are best defined by my sleep issues. I've spent my life researching this and I have dream journals dating back to when I was 11 years old.

I think it's important to check out any issues relating to seizures but I hope you find some comfort in knowing that I experience what you're talking about weekly. In fact, I do not know what it's like to sleep normally. I remember all my dreams, and for me, I have a waking life and a dreaming life. Both require an equal amount of energy. I spent my entire life afraid that there was something critically wrong with me and no one should go through that because there is information out there.

I've never had anyone to talk to about this and people think I'm crazy when I bring it up. Although most of the experiences are utterly terrifying, I do have moments where I experience complete euphoria. I just wish I had people to talk with about it and I'm glad you mentioned it.



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20 Aug 2011, 3:17 am

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Maybe you can help me or may be I can help you.

Anyhow, last night I worked late and when I come home I can not go right to sleep. I went to sleep around 1:30AM.

This morning my wife woke me up at about 8:45AM. She put my 14 month old daughter in our room and closed the door, so she could get ready for work. I came in and out of sleep for about thirty minutes with my daughter running around the room, sticking her pacifier in my mouth and jumping on me. Finally my wife came back in and took her with her.

I went back to sleep only to wake up at about 9:45; however, I could not open my eyes or move my body. I felt someone get into bed next to me, but I knew that my wife was gone. I was still in a dream, but I was also aware of the world around me. I could feel my jaw flapping in reality. In my dream my mind turned the sensation of someone getting into the bed next to me into my wife. I tried to get up, but I still could not move. I tried screaming for help, but hand no control of my mouth and nothing would come out. My wife was telling me things that did not make any sense. Then, she started to yell at me for not getting up. In the dream part, I knew that my wife was not really there, so I got angry at the representation of my wife. I grabbed her by the throat and threw her down the stairs. She began slowly gliding down through the air, so I jumped onto her as she was falling and rode her like a surfboard to the bottom.

As her head hit the floor, I reappeared in my bed. My jaw had stopped flapping and I tried yelling for help, again. Now, I could make a little grunt. I knew that I was coming out of it, so I kept yelling until it finally came out. It barely was audible, but once I can articulate words I know that I'm beginning to get control of my limbs again. I got to my feet and stumbled out of the door, running my shoulder in to the doorpost. I went downstairs sliding my shoulder along the wall and took a shower. I had a headache and no shortterm memory for hours.

Whoever is reading this let me know what you think. I am not sure if this is sleep paralysis or a seizure or both. Let me know what you think.


What you were suffering from is not sleep paralysis. I suffer from chronic sleep paralysis, which actually made my psychology professor think that I have mild narcolepsy.

If your jaw was moving, you did not and I repeat, did NOT have sleep paralysis. Sleep paralysis happens when YOU wake up before your body does; when we are sleeping, our brain paralyses our bodies so that we do not act our dreams. If you mouth was moving, then you were not paralyzed. It sounds like a dream to me, especially the last part.

Trust me... I cannot sleep on my back at all or I'll go straight into sleep paralysis. It's a big problem for me so I have to be careful how I sleep. When you have it, you cannot move or speak. You're basically paralyzed.

I can usually snap myself out of it if I'mm quick enough (I get it when I'm falling asleep, which means I'm slipping into REM sleep too quickly which also points to mild narcolepsy). I can help explain what it feels like. It starts at your toes. The feeling reminds me of what it feels like when your leg falls asleep and it spreads like wild-fire. If you feel it coming try wiggling your toes. It starts from my toes and runs quickly throughout my body. It's quick and you can FEEL it.

I haven't been stuck in paralysis for awhile since I know how to fight it off, but it's unpleasant since your brain still thinks you're asleep, so you're dreaming while you're awake. Therefore, you will hallucinate. Especially since the only thing that you can move is your eyes sometimes. You'll usually see something terrifying. Why? I do not know. Some people see an old hag come and sit on them to suffocate them--a succubus. Last time my eyes were open I saw something scary lying next to me, so I keep my eyes closed. It isn't something that I like and I usually have Out of Body Experiences when I have it. Good luck.



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20 Aug 2011, 12:13 pm

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If your jaw was moving, you did not and I repeat, did NOT have sleep paralysis. Sleep paralysis happens when YOU wake up before your body does; when we are sleeping, our brain paralyses our bodies so that we do not act our dreams. If you mouth was moving, then you were not paralyzed. It sounds like a dream to me, especially the last part.
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I mentioned the jaw flapping in my post too. I agree it's a separate thing, but I think it's possible that he had an episode of sleep paralysis followed by the jaw flapping - that sort of thing has happened to me. I still get the jaw flapping from time to time, but the sleep paralysis is a thing of the past. With the jaw flapping, although I'm moving (just my jaw, not the rest of my body, otherwise I would put my hand up to stop it), I have absolutely no control over it and it's quite unnerving.



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20 Aug 2011, 10:50 pm

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First of all, a lot of people have already made some very good comments, but I must admit it was difficult for me to even read this thread as it brings about a slew of emotions. I have experienced sleep paralysis, out of body experiences (vestibular disturbances), false awakenings, lucid nightmares, sensations of intense pain and things that can only be compared to a psychedelic acid trip since I was a child. I won't write the epic post that is busting out of me, but I consider myself to be quite knowledgeable on this topic.

My mother recalls me telling her of dreams where I could not move and I would swear I screamed for her and that there was a stranger in the room. I'm 37 years old now, and for most of my life, sleep paralysis has occurred 1-2 times a week. The false awakenings and lucid nightmares are more frequent, and the out of body experiences are something I can predict and even cause. I lived in fear for most of my life, not learning of sleep paralysis until I was 32 years old. I've contacted the leading experts in the field for help because the doctors were putting me on anti-psychotics because they thought I was hallucinating.

As for the seizures, that's something you'll need to talk to a doctor about but I do know that some seizures are not harmful and there's reason to believe I have seizures since I had them when I was 6 years old due to a high fever. I often feel intense pain in my jaw and as if an electrical storm is going off in my brain. In fact, I have a vivid memory of being paralyzed by sensations of being shocked repeatedly when I was a child. I have to assume that if I have seizures, then I've had them my entire life and so far, I'm healthy. I also feel like I'm shrinking which there is a term for but I can't think of it right now. Macro something.

Anyway, there's a book by Dr. Jorge Conesa called Wrestling with Ghosts. Conesa is one of the few scientific researchers in this field that actually experience the phenomena. It's a very poetic scientific reference book and it helped me a lot. Plus, I emailed him with questions and he responded immediately and offered further assistance. My sensory integration issues are best defined by my sleep issues. I've spent my life researching this and I have dream journals dating back to when I was 11 years old.

I think it's important to check out any issues relating to seizures but I hope you find some comfort in knowing that I experience what you're talking about weekly. In fact, I do not know what it's like to sleep normally. I remember all my dreams, and for me, I have a waking life and a dreaming life. Both require an equal amount of energy. I spent my entire life afraid that there was something critically wrong with me and no one should go through that because there is information out there.

I've never had anyone to talk to about this and people think I'm crazy when I bring it up. Although most of the experiences are utterly terrifying, I do have moments where I experience complete euphoria. I just wish I had people to talk with about it and I'm glad you mentioned it.


Feel free to talk to me about it any time. It freaked me out my whole life. I never told anyone about it, until I found out that I was an Aspie last year, and I'm thirty three. I was afraid that no one would believe me or worse they would and I would go to the hospital and find out that there was something terribly wrong with me. Like I said before I only found out what they are a couple of weeks ago, so you talking will be therapy for me too.


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20 Aug 2011, 11:04 pm

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paperoceans wrote:
If your jaw was moving, you did not and I repeat, did NOT have sleep paralysis. Sleep paralysis happens when YOU wake up before your body does; when we are sleeping, our brain paralyses our bodies so that we do not act our dreams. If you mouth was moving, then you were not paralyzed. It sounds like a dream to me, especially the last part.
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I mentioned the jaw flapping in my post too. I agree it's a separate thing, but I think it's possible that he had an episode of sleep paralysis followed by the jaw flapping - that sort of thing has happened to me. I still get the jaw flapping from time to time, but the sleep paralysis is a thing of the past. With the jaw flapping, although I'm moving (just my jaw, not the rest of my body, otherwise I would put my hand up to stop it), I have absolutely no control over it and it's quite unnerving.


I've been thinking about this and it was moving and that is what woke me up. I'm begining to think that I had a seizure that woke me up so suddenly that my body didn't have time to catch up or that the electrical misfire in my brain kept it from communicating to my body that it was time to get up. Either way, it still meets the criteria to be sleep paralysis.


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20 Aug 2011, 11:29 pm

For the longest time I told people a story about when I was in high school and I was sleeping. I was talking with a good friend of mine in the dream, we talked about ghosts a lot, and there was somebody standing at the bottom of her driveway. I could only see it out of my peripheral vision. I was afraid to look at it. I was kind of a blob in the shape of a man that was changing color and looked like what you see if you stare at a light and then close your eyes. I thought it was a ghost and I asked her how I could tell. She said if it bobs. I looked at it and it let out a scream that was nothing like anything that I had heard before. It was like a thousand buses comeing to a screaching halt, a wolfl and man at the same time. I sat straight up in bed, only to see the thing right at the foot of my bed. I screamed, but it made no sound. I closed my eyes, so that I couldn't see it. After a couple of seconds, I was able to lay back down, but it took a lot of will to do it. I caught glimpse of the clock and memorized the time so I could prove to myself whether it was a dream or real. After I thought that a few minutes had passed, I opened my eyes and the thing was gone. To show you how terrified I was I was eighteen and I was trying to scream for my Mom, but nothing would come out. I looked at the clock and I was right it was real, it was a few minutes later than when I had looked before. Again I kept screaming until I finally made a noise. My Mom came running in and everyone laughed at me and said that it was a dream. I guess this was really the first time that I had told anyone even though I thought that I was telling a ghost story.


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20 Aug 2011, 11:38 pm

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Sounds like sleep paralysis plus false awakening. Happens to me all the time. You dream you you are awake, but still dreaming. Your brain does weird thing to you, and when you finally awake you have sleep paralysis. Look up old hag syndrome (I believe it's called, not sure) That too could explain much like the sensing someone in bed with you.


But, how do you explain the jaw flapping. That wasn't part of the dream and my morning seizures always involve my jaw in some way, usually clenched so hard my teeth hurt or pushing out.


I thought that was part of the dream, didn't know you get seizures in the mornings. Then it was probably a combination of both. That is weird, do you get these often? So they feel like ticks but are seizures. Interesting...


I'm not sure that I know what a tic feels like. With the things that happen to me that I thought were tics, it feels like static in my head when it happens, like some one is in my head giving my brain a very week electrical shock. My hand twitches and my neck stiffens up, some times my head turns to the side, but like I said they're so short the people that I work with don't even notice. I didn't even pay any mind to them until I found out that I'm an Aspie. Then it started to make sense.


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21 Aug 2011, 2:13 am

I have had some very weird sleep experiences. I have seizures all throughout the day and night. Usually when I have violent dreams, I'm having seizures in my sleep. But, the realism of the manifestations can be extremely scary. I haven't had a "diagnosis" of the seizures because I could not afford to continue seeing my doctor, but we talked about it a lot before and he said I was having a form of seizure (just no official paperwork to go along with that).



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Feel free to talk to me about it any time. It freaked me out my whole life. I never told anyone about it, until I found out that I was an Aspie last year, and I'm thirty three. I was afraid that no one would believe me or worse they would and I would go to the hospital and find out that there was something terribly wrong with me. Like I said before I only found out what they are a couple of weeks ago, so you talking will be therapy for me too.


Thanks, dude. I totally know how you feel. I have NEVER known anyone who has experienced these things
(outside of a few times since anyone can technically experience sleep paralysis)
My first memory was a lucid dream and the intense dreams started when I was a toddler, before I became ill and had some petite mal seizures when I was 6 years old
(my father is of the profession that he recognized what what happening and rushed me to the hospital)

I'm fairly certain the out of body experiences started when I was a toddler because I was quite certain I could fly and insisted to my family that I went flying at night. As a child, these experiences were fairly innocent and I loved them.

Then the terror started, the lucid nightmares- I refer to it as negative lucidity which means the experience is so real that I initially question if it's a dream but all my "tests" tell me that it's happening. My recall and experience are as vivid as a positive lucid dream, when I know I'm dreaming. Conesa writes about the dynamic layers of lucid dreaming and that a person can experience both positive and negative, are it's also on a spectrum. I found this very interesting and it helped me to develop better coping skills.

I've learned to better deal with SP but it still happens regularly. Sometimes, it's just going to be a bad one but I recover better. I've noticed lately that if I don't slip out of the SP in time and I fall into a conscious dream, I find myself underwater (in the ocean), with a man in a lab coat next to me, saying, "Remember- you can breathe underwater." I've grown to trust this and it works.

I could go on and on and on, but I'll try to keep it in short bursts. I'm very interested in the fact that so many Aspies experience SP regularly and I definitely think there's a connection. It seems that I also have signs of atypical, mild narcolepsy but I don't have strong enough sleep attacks. I also show signs of mild cateplexy but I'm beginning to think what I'm experiencing is caused by the sensory integration component of Aspergers.

Thanks again, TheBrain. I'd love to talk anytime with you and anyone else that's interested in this topic. I have thousands of recorded dreams since I was eleven years old and it's so strange to find perfect descriptions of sleep paralysis and REM disturbances at such a young age. I remind myself of this when people treat me like I'm trying to be different and making it up.

The dreams that come from these experiences change the course of my life. I'm learning to listen to them and to recognize what my inner self is trying to show me. It's exhausting and very lonely because I make people uncomfortable when I tell them things like,
"Last night, when I closed my eyes, I felt this strange buzzing, zapping sensation in my head. A kind of hum. I feel pressure but not pain, but it can be scary. Although I'm still awake and can feel the bed and the sheets, and I can hear the tv, I start to feel my body rotate. I feel my body lifting up as if there wasn't a roof over my head. The sensation is exhilarating but a bit terrifying because I'm awake but it's worth it. I am floating and I can feel the night air and cool breeze."


I've researched this enough to know that I'm not talking about special powers or magic. But it scares people off and I'm left wondering, is there something wrong with me? Do I have seizures? Is this going to kill me? Did the doctors ignore me because they thought I was a neurotic little girl?

Wow! I really need to try to work on shorter posts. I'm just afraid of leaving out important information.


Wait! One more thing! I have trouble sleeping at night because when I close my eyes, I see vivid colors and patterns as well as detailed objects and photographic detail from my day. When the image is a "picture" from my day, it will be an embossed negative looking image and there's motion, and my view of it rotates. I'm not asleep and can describe them as they're happening. This also happens when I'm wide awake and simply close my eyes for a moment. I had to stare at tiny moving ants in the dirt for a few minutes and when I shut my eyes, I would see flashes of it. I love the fact that I do this but it can also cause a lot of problems. .