The extreme lengths a select few NTs will go against us

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I'd like to start a discussion about how far a select few, (although most certainly not all), NTs will go in attempts to "cure" aspies and autistics like ourselves. Specifically, alternative doctors and DAN (defeat autism now), are being strong advocates of chelation, a very controversial, risky, and dangerous therapy for use in autism and Asperger's treatment, which is not even approved by the FDA for such treatment. Chelation is a therapy to provide a means of removing toxins and heavy metals from the body, and is only approved by the FDA for treatment in heavy metal poisoning. But the basis for the curbies using chelation in autism and Asperger's therapy i that vaccinations and heavy metal poisoning are the one and only cause of these differences. I think that is just absurd. There is no one cause of autism or Asperger's, and there never has been nor ever will be a cure for either condition. Plus, ongoing, continuning scientific research shows that vaccinations and heavy metals are not a cause, at least, not a direct cause of autism or Aperger's. These doctors and "cure" advocates and activists CLAIM this treatment was brought about improvements, even significant improvements, in whomever they've used the treatment on, but they fail to consider that it might even only be a temporary effect that might eventually regress, or that there might be serious side effects, some which might not even occur immediately but until much later, that cause more harm than good. Plus, they are not doing anything to actually help the people receiving the treatment, but only trying to make them look more like NTs, and in a manipulative manner that really only improves side effects, if anything, of the conditions and not the conditions themselves. I think this shows just how strongly some NTs really are against us, how much they really want us out of the picture, and what we need to do about it!

DAN also seems to want to hide things that might put them out-of-business, so to speak. A DAN-affiliated researcher KNEW about the Factor V Leiden correlation with autism, but decided not to publish the study, apparently. The reason is obvious. Factor V Leiden is a CAUCASIAN mutation that originated in Europe. IOW, publishing this research would threaten the view that autism affects all races equally, and also ultimately, the research models of autism being used, especially for those behind these environmental models of autism.
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I agree that chelation is a dangerous, ridiculous treatment for ASDs because the vasty majority of ASDs are not caused by mercury poisoning. I actually wrote a paper on this for my Medical Ethics course in college.

HOWEVER I disagree that ASDs should not be cured. I think that we should continue to search for causes and cures. I know this is a very unpopular opinion on this board, but it is my opinion and, yes, I am a diagnosed Aspie. In fact it is my life goal to research the genetic causes of ASDs as a career.

The nature of the "disease" as its so commonly called, is beyond any cure. You would have to replace the brain to cure someone with ASD. It is a neurological difference that causes the syndrome(I like his word better). So otherwise cutting your head off seams appealing, I'd say live with it...

I think if a safe and effective "cure" is discovered that it should be availible to those who want it (those who are at least 18 and have had time to maturely decide if they want to be "normal").But I don't believe in "curing" patients against their will (even children) or pre-natal testing (concievably in the near future) which would ultimately lead to abortion of babies just because their autistic.

The problem is, a "cure" applied to an adult would resolve nothing. If there was a 'magic bullet' "cure" available now and I took it, nothing would change. While I would no longer have the difficulty in reading other people's nonverbal cues, I would still miss them since I never really learned them. It'd be like someone blind from birth getting their sight back... they could see, but their brains would literally be unable to interpret what they saw.

If you look in the past I don't know if any, So called scientists the world record of destroying the credibility of "So called under qualified, missing field of expertise" is at 60secs don't know if any have been proven wrong faster than that...

Just a bunch of cold fusion at room temperature people, that show's you how much research some of these people go to, goes of to another lab 10 test's - Results " No cold fusion reactions ", now if they can claim stuff like that, it's scary to think what they can get away with in neurological disorders...

I still like the work that's been done in the X - Y chromosomes, Y – was finished mapping in 2003, 40 researchers in the project, everyone claimed the (Y) chromosome was a (Junk Yard) but they have finished mapping and it contains mutations of the genetic information.

The three classes are called :-

“X-degenerate,”
“X-transposed” &
“ampliconic”.


The X-transposed sequences are genes that were swapped as a group from the X chromosome roughly three to four million years ago..

I really do think that our problem is really to do with the fact our " social information is missing "
coz exactly how much information is pre stored on the human brain or programmed into it as it grows, that we have no control over, " Coz I would say we are more like animal's in our " Courtship "... that's my theory anyway... why more males than females have it or other disorders related to male - female, and why most likely we have a stronger connection to animals than people.

Would explain why we have more fight or flight and other stuff too... but then that would need to be researched....

(Many genes on the X escape “Inactivation”, so they are present in two copies in females and in one copy in males. )

(Comparing Neanderthal to human and chimpanzee genomes showed that at multiple locations the Neanderthal DNA sequences matched chimpanzee DNA but not human. There is no evidence of any significant crossbreeding between the two.)


News Article

Said Rubin, “While unable to definitively conclude that interbreeding between the two species of humans did not occur, analysis of the nuclear DNA from the Neanderthal suggests the low likelihood of it having occurred at any appreciable level.”

With their metagenomic library-based approach to genome sequencing and analysis, Rubin and Noonan believe that in the future, scientists will be able to study specific sequences within the Neanderthal genome to determine the genetic changes that distinguished modern humans from our Neanderthal cousins. Among other advantages, this might help answer the most persistent mystery of all: Why did Neanderthals become extinct?

(No I think he think's autism is a Neanderthal disorder...) Correct me if I am wrong rdos

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 083223.htm

(Just noticed your theory is updated.) is reading over it now...

logitechdog, there is another article about the Neanderthal genome project. They compared the Hn sequences with HapMap, and obviously concluded there were too many matches. IOW, there is disagreement about this, as usual. We won't have the finals on this until a large part of the Hn genome is sequenced AND compared to autism-linked DNA sequences.

How about those parents of "pillow angel" who had docs alter her body so she can't grow up???

Prof Pretorius,

I read that too! I thought it was sick!

People who propose cures for autism I find are very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very insulting.