High Intelligence makes people think you are crazy...

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14 Jan 2007, 4:39 pm

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Do you agree?

Maybe intelligent people are only crazy to NT because they don't think like Aspies.



No, I reckon it is because they are intimidated by our intelligence and don't have good enough comebacks to it, or simply cannot engage in what we have said as they don't have a clue what we are talking about. This is all too much for them and they feel belittled and stupid in comparison. People don't like to feel like that, and so react like you are the one with the problem when, in actual fact, they are for being thick and deep down they know it. However, we do think on a different level to others, still no excuse for people saying we have a screw loose though.


I agree.

I see NTs bail out of conversations all the time. They ask a question and if I really answer it fully they step back and say something stupid like "Whoa, you're really into this, huh?" which isn't a comment about the conversation at all, it's a break in the conversation and now the attention is focused on me, instead of the topic.

I think it's a cop out on the part of the NT. They get lost and can't follow so they make a joke or make a comment about how weird you are and then laugh and go away.

This is one of the reasons why I do not like direct interaction. At all.

One very small example - watching Jeopardy. I love it, but it's more fun if someone else in the room is saying answers also. If an NT is in the room they won't try, or they stop watching and start making comments about me knowing answers (I truly don't know that many or get that many right either) and that just interferes with the rest of the program. I can't hear the questions because they're talking about me, or getting mad that I got some right, or something stupid.

My favorite person to watch Jeopardy with is my son who is also Aspie and can answer 3x more questions correctly than I can. It's fun - we both try on each question and all of our attention is on the tv, not on each other or on idle chitchat while the show is on.

NTs usually just complain that they want to watch something else.

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14 Jan 2007, 5:08 pm

Another problem too is you can be intelligent and have interesting ideas BUT not be able to formulate the words to describe what you are thinking. So then it comes out like it is something bizarre. For instance, when I was a kid I noticed that some people would only say a certain number of phrases in most situations. Like if someone is coming up to talk to you and you know them - most likely they will go on a "stereotypical" set of either questions or comments. I used to keep track of that because it would be annoying and you really could guess what alot of people were going to say before they said it based on their pattern. This goes along with alot of interests and obsessions too - others can't grasp the detail or are not interesting in such things so you don't make any sense to them - therefore it seems like you are talking nonsense or are weird.



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14 Jan 2007, 5:28 pm

That is true. Those certain number of phrases show a certain depth only to the conversation. How are you - Fine - Who have you been? Is it hot enough for you? I think it's going to rain.

Those things are like auto-pilot communication for NTs. So if they say any one of those phrases, and if it kicks you off to actually answering it, the person will be shocked and you will seem weird.

I learned they don't really want to know how you are. You're supposed to smile and say "fine" no matter if you're in a full body cast. You're supposed to chuckle if they say "Hot enough for you?" during the summer. Just those pat answers back and everyone is happy.

I still find myself surprised at times when I'm asked one of those little nonsense questions, and I take a moment to gather my thoughts and start to really give the answer, but the moment I took actually took too long and the person just keeps on talking or moves on off. That's when I realize that no response was needed, and it's better if I just don't say anything. I tend to smile and nod and people just love that.

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14 Jan 2007, 5:31 pm

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I think that it's their low intelligence that makes them think that.


i often find myself getting strange looks from people when i say certain things. the expressions on their faces seem to say "i don't get it" or "what the hell have you been smoking"

however i think you are all a bit harsh talking about NT people as though they are all complete morons. my wife, as an example, is an NT and happens to be incredibly intelligent.



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14 Jan 2007, 5:51 pm

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I know that conversations with NT's go much better if I stick to pointless babble.


My brother says that I need to learn street-talk, but I don't think so! :roll:


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14 Jan 2007, 5:55 pm

Fiz wrote:
No, I reckon it is because they are intimidated by our intelligence and don't have good enough comebacks to it, or simply cannot engage in what we have said as they don't have a clue what we are talking about. This is all too much for them and they feel belittled and stupid in comparison. People don't like to feel like that, and so react like you are the one with the problem when, in actual fact, they are for being thick and deep down they know it. However, we do think on a different level to others, still no excuse for people saying we have a screw loose though.


That makes more sense


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14 Jan 2007, 6:03 pm

earthmom wrote:
That is true. Those certain number of phrases show a certain depth only to the conversation. How are you - Fine - Who have you been? Is it hot enough for you? I think it's going to rain.

Those things are like auto-pilot communication for NTs. So if they say any one of those phrases, and if it kicks you off to actually answering it, the person will be shocked and you will seem weird.

I learned they don't really want to know how you are. You're supposed to smile and say "fine" no matter if you're in a full body cast. You're supposed to chuckle if they say "Hot enough for you?" during the summer. Just those pat answers back and everyone is happy.

I still find myself surprised at times when I'm asked one of those little nonsense questions, and I take a moment to gather my thoughts and start to really give the answer, but the moment I took actually took too long and the person just keeps on talking or moves on off. That's when I realize that no response was needed, and it's better if I just don't say anything. I tend to smile and nod and people just love that.

:> earthmom


Yes, I've found "smile and nod" to be effective (lol). I also have learned to pick and choose who to converse with - some people just really want that bantar which is kind of pointless because there is no real exchange of ideas. I noticed too that my son also gets irritated when people make the same comments. One person came over and my son instructed them not to comment about the house down the street because it was annoying :) .



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14 Jan 2007, 6:39 pm

People fear what they don't understand



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14 Jan 2007, 9:12 pm

People thought Roger Bannister was a bit eccentric because he was very smart and did things his own way. If that is weird, I would like to be weird in that way.



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14 Jan 2007, 10:42 pm

Roger Bannister did become a distinguished neurologist and master of Pembroke college.



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16 Jan 2007, 1:39 am

dgd1788 wrote:
Claradoon wrote:
I know that conversations with NT's go much better if I stick to pointless babble.


My brother says that I need to learn street-talk, but I don't think so! :roll:



Fo' shizzle my nizzle!! !



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16 Jan 2007, 1:44 am

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It happens during class when the teacher asks a question about something I know a lot about, and I raise my hand and give the answer, and then I start going on and on about it. Sometimes I even start stimming because I'm so excited to talk about it.
That makes people think I'm a bit 'off'.



I read in Marc Segar's book that sometimes people don't answer because:

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...If a lecturer or teacher asks a question and no-one puts their hand up, it is often because no-one wants to stand out, NOT because no-one knows the answer.


http://www.autismandcomputing.org.uk/marc2.en.html

Now, even if I know the answer, I try to pass unnoticed :P.

but still, yes, I still participate, but more moderately :)



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16 Jan 2007, 10:18 am

Remnant,

Yes indeed, he was! He was successful in all aspects of his life. He has also been married for over 50 years and has four children and 14 grandchildren. Bannister's life is an all-around success. He should be an inspiration for all athletes or anyone seeking to do something well.



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16 Jan 2007, 11:53 am

I do talk about crazy things.



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16 Jan 2007, 11:57 am

I watched star trek and some alien races would talk down to Humans saying stuff like "You brain cannot comprehend this, its too complex." I think this is similar, here, between the 2 different types of thinking. For some reason, we can understand "NT" people but they will not understand us.

I know why they talk and do the things they need to but they are very ignorant towards others who do things differently - I believe they dont have the open mind to understand that others are not like them.



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16 Jan 2007, 12:02 pm

Yes, NT people think we are crazy, its ok. I have been subjected to that. I just avoid them, when I catch on that they think there is something wrong with me. I do not respond like an NT female, so I think they may be puzzled by me, and don't know how to act/react. In fact, I am prone to migrating towards males for conversation.