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EllenDee
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10 Aug 2011, 10:49 pm

I couldn't really answer most of these questions properly, I wasn't sure exactly what they wanted - I think I am just being too literal, but if I took some of the questions one way I was at one end of the scale, but if I took them another way I was at the opposite end.

I particularly don't understand about "putting myself in someone else's shoes" - is this supposed to mean that I understand their viewpoint rationally, or do I need to be actually fantasizing that I am them? I don't know anyone else well enough to imagine I actually AM them, but I can generally see logically the basis for other viewpoints - is this "putting myself in their shoes" or not? A lot of these questions sound to me like "empathy" is the same as not knowing the difference between my feelings and other people's, and I presume that is not what they actually mean.

I also have issues with the questions relating to empathic concern - I actually scored 0 for this, but I think it is mostly the way the questions are phrased. I mean, a question like "sometimes I don't feel very sorry for other people when they are having problems" - I don't particularly feel sorry for people who have created problems for themselves (like a criminal who is facing jail after being caught) does this actually make me less empathic?

I am also not sure about what it means to be "quite touched" by things - how strong an emotion does that need to be? "Soft-hearted" is also not defined - I tend to think of it as meaning someone who loses all rationality in the face of someone else's emotions, and has trouble separating their own emotions from other people's. As that would generally be considered unhealthy, and empathy is considered to be healthy, I presume I am actually wrong in my definition, but it is still not something I would describe myself as.



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11 Aug 2011, 12:12 am

PT= 5
PD=16
FS=21
EC=25



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11 Aug 2011, 2:07 am

Fantasy: 9 (average scores: 15.73 for men; 18.75 for women)
Perspective Taking: 18 (average scores: 16.78 for men; 17.96 for women)
Empathic Concern : 2 (average scores: 19.04 for men; 21.67 for women)
Personal Distress: 8 (average scores: 9.46 for men; 12.28 for women)

Hm...



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11 Aug 2011, 2:42 am

A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti.

Holden: You're in a desert, walking along in the sand, when all of a sudden you look down...
Leon: What one?
Holden: What?
Leon: What desert?
Holden: It doesn't make any difference what desert, it's completely hypothetical.
Leon: But, how come I'd be there?
Holden: Maybe you're fed up. Maybe you want to be by yourself. Who knows? You look down and see a tortoise, Leon. It's crawling toward you...
Leon: Tortoise? What's that?
Holden: [irritated by Leon's interruptions] You know what a turtle is?
Leon: Of course!
Holden: Same thing.
Leon: I've never seen a turtle... But I understand what you mean.
Holden: You reach down and you flip the tortoise over on its back, Leon.
Leon: Do you make up these questions, Mr. Holden? Or do they write 'em down for you?
Holden: The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping.
Leon: [angry at the suggestion] What do you mean, I'm not helping?
Holden: I mean: you're not helping! Why is that, Leon?
[Leon has become visibly shaken]
Holden: They're just questions, Leon. In answer to your query, they're written down for me. It's a test, designed to provoke an emotional response... Shall we continue?



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23 Oct 2011, 3:29 am

PT - 18
FS - 7
EC - 5
PD - 9

Perspective taking is a learned behavior though...



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23 Oct 2011, 3:51 am

PseudointellectualHorse wrote:
A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti.

Holden: You're in a desert, walking along in the sand, when all of a sudden you look down...
Leon: What one?
Holden: What?
Leon: What desert?
Holden: It doesn't make any difference what desert, it's completely hypothetical.
Leon: But, how come I'd be there?
Holden: Maybe you're fed up. Maybe you want to be by yourself. Who knows? You look down and see a tortoise, Leon. It's crawling toward you...
Leon: Tortoise? What's that?
Holden: [irritated by Leon's interruptions] You know what a turtle is?
Leon: Of course!
Holden: Same thing.
Leon: I've never seen a turtle... But I understand what you mean.
Holden: You reach down and you flip the tortoise over on its back, Leon.
Leon: Do you make up these questions, Mr. Holden? Or do they write 'em down for you?
Holden: The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping.
Leon: [angry at the suggestion] What do you mean, I'm not helping?
Holden: I mean: you're not helping! Why is that, Leon?
[Leon has become visibly shaken]
Holden: They're just questions, Leon. In answer to your query, they're written down for me. It's a test, designed to provoke an emotional response... Shall we continue?


I'd have gotten really upset at the test giver for implying that I'd flip the tortoise onto its back and argued at that point how I'd never do that. Up until that point I'd be able to keep control of the fact it was a theoretical construct because I could imagine myself walking in a desert and finding a tortoise, but as soon as someone claimed I'd do something in the theoretical situation that I couldn't imagine myself doing, it'd be broken. That one in particular would bother me a lot.



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23 Oct 2011, 4:04 am

The scoring on this research questionaire is confusing and frustrating. I tried to score my test but kept making mistakes and gave up. They should have just used a numbered scale instead of giving letters and assigning a numbered score to each.


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23 Oct 2011, 4:35 am

Fantasy: 8
Perspective Taking: 17
Empathic Concern : 0
Personal Distress: 1

Interesting.



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23 Oct 2011, 8:47 am

Man, that was a tedious scoring process.
I've never been in an emergency before, so I was stumped on those questions.

FS: 8
EC: 3
PT: 11
PD: 9



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23 Oct 2011, 9:26 am

I scored this in 2008 (was an online version, doesn't seem to be available atm):

Persective-taking: 10
Fantasy: 7
Personal Distress: 4
Empathic Concern: 1

And this is now - hope I got that scoring right:

Persective-taking: 20
Fantasy: 16
Personal Distress: 1
Empathic Concern: 3


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23 Oct 2011, 9:49 am

Here are my results.

Fantasy: 13 (average scores: 15.73 for men; 18.75 for women)
Perspective Taking: 2 (average scores: 16.78 for men; 17.96 for women)
Empathic Concern : 10 (average scores: 19.04 for men; 21.67 for women)
Personal Distress: 14 (average scores: 9.46 for men; 12.28 for women)



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23 Oct 2011, 9:56 am

Tuttle wrote:
I'd have gotten really upset at the test giver for implying that I'd flip the tortoise onto its back and argued at that point how I'd never do that. Up until that point I'd be able to keep control of the fact it was a theoretical construct because I could imagine myself walking in a desert and finding a tortoise, but as soon as someone claimed I'd do something in the theoretical situation that I couldn't imagine myself doing, it'd be broken. That one in particular would bother me a lot.


What does that have to do with a census? I'm confused. I thought they just wanted to know how many people lived in your house and genders and ages and stuff like that. I don't even get the point of that question. Why would I help the turtle by flipping it back over if I'm the one that flipped it over in the first place? That doesn't sound like a census question. That sounds like some vague psychological test given by a therapist for unknown reason. I don't even know what it means or what the "right" answer is.

I live in the back of an apartment building so I nearly never have census takers or anyone else randomly knocking on my door.

If it's designed to "provoke an emotioal response" I don't show emotions a lot and tend to be pretty emotionless over fictional stories because they aren't real. That is to my benefit as I can watch all kinds of horror movies without getting too "scared" or "grossed out" or whatever to watch them. I've had people tell me certain movies were "so scary" and I'd watch them and be like "meh, that wasn't scary at all".



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23 Oct 2011, 10:28 am

EllenDee wrote:
I couldn't really answer most of these questions properly, I wasn't sure exactly what they wanted - I think I am just being too literal, but if I took some of the questions one way I was at one end of the scale, but if I took them another way I was at the opposite end.

I particularly don't understand about "putting myself in someone else's shoes" - is this supposed to mean that I understand their viewpoint rationally, or do I need to be actually fantasizing that I am them? I don't know anyone else well enough to imagine I actually AM them, but I can generally see logically the basis for other viewpoints - is this "putting myself in their shoes" or not? A lot of these questions sound to me like "empathy" is the same as not knowing the difference between my feelings and other people's, and I presume that is not what they actually mean.

I also have issues with the questions relating to empathic concern - I actually scored 0 for this, but I think it is mostly the way the questions are phrased. I mean, a question like "sometimes I don't feel very sorry for other people when they are having problems" - I don't particularly feel sorry for people who have created problems for themselves (like a criminal who is facing jail after being caught) does this actually make me less empathic?

I am also not sure about what it means to be "quite touched" by things - how strong an emotion does that need to be? "Soft-hearted" is also not defined - I tend to think of it as meaning someone who loses all rationality in the face of someone else's emotions, and has trouble separating their own emotions from other people's. As that would generally be considered unhealthy, and empathy is considered to be healthy, I presume I am actually wrong in my definition, but it is still not something I would describe myself as.


This sounds like exactly the way I would respond. I am too literal and I am trying to figure out what is meant by each question drives me crazy. I was about to write something similar. Thank you.



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23 Oct 2011, 1:48 pm

Fantasy: 19 (average scores: 15.73 for men; 18.75 for women)
Perspective Taking: 7 (average scores: 16.78 for men; 17.96 for women)
Empathic Concern : 7 (average scores: 19.04 for men; 21.67 for women)
Personal Distress: 13 (average scores: 9.46 for men; 12.28 for women)



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23 Oct 2011, 3:28 pm

fantasy - 25 8O (average scores: 15.73 for men; 18.75 for women)
perspective-taking - 8 (average scores: 16.78 for men; 17.96 for women)
empathic concern - 26 (average scores: 19.04 for men; 21.67 for women)
personal distress scale - 8 (average scores: 9.46 for men; 12.28 for women)

well, now. i am working on some of this for a very specific reason - i am trying to teach myself to see things from other people's perspectives as my lack of understanding leads to extreme anxiety in real life social situations. it's different in movies and such as it is all laid out in front of you, but in actual interactions there is no way to be sure.


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24 Oct 2011, 12:46 pm

hanyo wrote:
Tuttle wrote:
I'd have gotten really upset at the test giver for implying that I'd flip the tortoise onto its back and argued at that point how I'd never do that. Up until that point I'd be able to keep control of the fact it was a theoretical construct because I could imagine myself walking in a desert and finding a tortoise, but as soon as someone claimed I'd do something in the theoretical situation that I couldn't imagine myself doing, it'd be broken. That one in particular would bother me a lot.


What does that have to do with a census? I'm confused. I thought they just wanted to know how many people lived in your house and genders and ages and stuff like that. I don't even get the point of that question. Why would I help the turtle by flipping it back over if I'm the one that flipped it over in the first place? That doesn't sound like a census question. That sounds like some vague psychological test given by a therapist for unknown reason. I don't even know what it means or what the "right" answer is.

I live in the back of an apartment building so I nearly never have census takers or anyone else randomly knocking on my door.

If it's designed to "provoke an emotioal response" I don't show emotions a lot and tend to be pretty emotionless over fictional stories because they aren't real. That is to my benefit as I can watch all kinds of horror movies without getting too "scared" or "grossed out" or whatever to watch them. I've had people tell me certain movies were "so scary" and I'd watch them and be like "meh, that wasn't scary at all".

PseudointellectualHorse was quoting the Voight-Kampff test scene in the film Blade Runner. It's a test of empathy.

It's good that you don't get scared watching horror movies. I startle very easily.