We are evolution-not them.

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this is perhaps the most arrogant statement I've ever made-but bear with it.

I was diagnosed with aspergers at 13. I was diagnosed with adhd when I was barely 3. I was diagnosed with bipolar when I was 23. It seems to me that doctors really don't know what's wrong with "me" or people "like me"-all we really know is our neurology is different than others. In ancient cultures we would of been the shamans, the gurus, the ones people turned to. Well ever sense this "intense world" theory was annouced I felt very strongly that it was the truth-I don't know If I could characterize my reactions as "sensory overload" but I do know I tend to overempathize. My biggest frustration the entire time I was force fed by my family, by doctors, by everyone was this notion that I "did not understand the social context" and needed to "practice social skills" in order to "Better relate to people" They never could of imagined, that the rules in the social context were painfully obvious to me, it's as if it never occured to them that I didn't make unwanted sexual advanced and inappropiately blurt out stuff about sex on people I BARELY knew-it was like they couldn't even imagine that I wasn't hitting on my aquatences, they didn't realize that I'd already mastered social nuace. They never bothered to ask me how I felt about it. They never bothered to plunge the depths of my mind because If they had I would of told them that what was being characterized as "lack of understanding" was way off the mark, at least for me. The better term for what was happening was "Disagreement" "dissent" even "revolt" and I know it might come as a shock to some nuerotypcials reading this but I understood the social rules very well-I disagreed with them passionately. I could get into particular examples, like around how absurd gender roles and the gender binary is, Or the way people let themselves get attached to individuals who hurt them. Or the way people often chase the unobtainable-there are a million ways for me to demostrate this point, but It's my contention that they think we don't understand the social context but the reality is that we just accurately perceive that the social context itself is severely,or even fatally flawed. -Few doctors have the courage to admit that While we might actually have a BETTER way of relating to each other, we have to learn to adapt to THEM. We have to make ourselves LESS empathetic, we have to pretend to be LESS intelligent, we have to swallow their religous rhetoric, and it just goes on. They've never really explored or probed our minds about ideas like how people SHOULD relate to each other, how people SHOULD seek attention, how people SHOULD seek affection-What's wrong with the models people use. They can't imagine it yet-But we have the superior genes, we are evolution.

I'm so sick of being treated like I'm such an idiot I go around flashing strangers and wondering why I don't have the right to do so- and thne using the excuse "LOL ASSBURGERS" to defend myself. I don't. I've NEVER been that stupid-I've NEVER been too dysfunctional to understand other people. It's just, that sometimes, in fact more often than not, the way they do things, I disagree with.

And I think my way of handling things is superior. I believe selective breeding will someday annihilate what we refer to as "nuerotypical"-some day all that will survive is us.

I agree with what you say.

The theory of evolution makes no claims as to superiority, though, only that species will adapt to their environments as each changes the other (rather circular, isn't it? science).

But yeah, I personally find society to be one big attempt to get in each others' pants, which while it is exciting on some basic level in the same way that eating food when you're hungry is exciting, isn't actually very stimulating in a long term sense. Half-cloning myself via reproduction just doesn't interest me and so my brain finds the whole thing rather silly. But here we are

I guess, it's just if people were more like me there would be a whole lot less cruelty war fammon greed etc in the world..

and... As much as I understand people I still do not agree with the wanton cruelty people inflict on others in their game to get ahead of others etiher in terms of ego or in terms of wealth. There's no...need for it and it serves no real function.

I think that doctors are terrified to admit that it's not a lack of understanding people or their motives-it's disagreement. if someone is cruel to get ahead, we don't see the need to get ahead in the first place.

For that mainstream psychatry is engaged in a battle trying to jam their scientific "the world is about success and I need to get some" down our throats... it's like they can't even imagine that while physical evolution is true, psychophysical is as well-and the reality is we are STILL psychophysicallly evolving. Mainstream psychiatry doesn't operate at the highest level of psychophysical evolution. They have to "sell" to us that there is something "wrong" with us so that they can propose a "Solution"... and that's the game they're engaged in. Only, if they looked deeper they might realize there is something wrong with THEM, there is something wrong with society, and nuerotypicals.

lookup spiral dynamics, it really describes how I feel

Yes... that is it isn't it, I know exactly how to act if I don't want to be weird, I could get a job in a service profession... but it would be fake and feel very wrong and I'd be giving up my identity and soul to do it so can't.

I have to urge caution on these claims of superiority and such, because although I know very little of social interaction and such, I also have the feeling that anything could happen in the universe no one knows yet, possibly some kind of discovery that renders everyone on this planet obsolete in the universe, or more likely this kind of talk goes unregulated and soon swells to produce people as bad as the society being complained against. Or something, i just want to keep this from turning into a disaster.

If you think you're superior, then prove it.
Go achieve something.
Anyone can sit on the internet whining about how stupid and flawed NTs are.

I have, but nobody else seems to care, and at some point I realized I don't care if anyone cares

Why do all this work to impress people if I've already impressed myself as much as I could in the first place?

That said, I do enjoy using faster and faster computers and watching new good TV shows and music etc etc, but if everybody else stopped doing stuff I wouldn't really mind either

The world is fun for a few years but in my case anyway I just want to be comfortable until I finally escape this rock forever.. 'impressing people' is just not worth the effort for me. The whole concept has become meaningless for me and I'm not sure why I ever thought it mattered in the first place.

Our world needs several types of people in order to keep things running smoothly.

I'd love to read all of what you wrote but it's a big wall of text.

We're variation. You would have to succeed to 'be evolution'. It seems obvious to me that a great deal of autism, adhd, etc have been integral parts of human evolution so far.

God, does this autistic X-Men crap ever stop? How many here have ever spent any significant amount of time working with a broad group on the other end of the spectrum? How many have spent any amount of time working with the far end of the spectrum where Jr. high age kids can't tell you what's wrong and still s**t themselves? I am on the spectrum and I work with kids on the spectrum. WP only represents a part of ASD's as a whole, but the w*kers that do the most bitching about evolution and supramacy tend to be the ones I least want to see log off of WoW, take a shower, get used to that weird hot, yellow, glowing thing again that beats down on you when you go outside, and get actively involved with a volunteer group. Instead, why not use your superior aspergers intellect to go on a chatroom of like-minded people and solve an age old question once and for all: if Darth Vader and Voldermort got into a fight, who would win?

If any of your peers tell you they don't have time for that, tell them they can blow their disability checks on booze and deviant Japanese porn later. The world must know once and for all who would win that fight!

I think our capacity for team work is slightly f****d up by autism. So as a race this is not an advantage.

Have you considered the possibility that those people on the other end on the spectrum are there because they got bullied and abused so much by NT people (including their parents)?

Also, as a very poignant example of how NT's try to dismiss superiority as being 'wrong', take a look at the study where they showed that NT's give more money to charities when they're watched, but AS's give the same amount. So, the study concludes, AS's obviously don't care what others think of them. Uh, hello, it just means that we're not as hypocritical as NT's ???

Auties work very well in teams, as such. What they can't cope with is all interactions that NT's use to establish their pecking order. They can't handle that we just don't react to their pecking-order foolishness, and they simply cannot understand that it is possible to work together as equals. So they shun us and wall us off and suddenly it's our fault that we can't work in their team? Yeah, right.

On a very fundamental level, yes the human race is all about trying to have sex with people. That's kind of the whole point of our existence, to pass on our genes. It's called "nature". But there is a lot more to society on the whole than this. Go out, make friends, listen to music, appreciate art, travel the world and then try saying that society is only about sex.

Excuse me, but no. My parents do not understand me or my brothers, but any abuse began when we stopped being exactly what was expected of us. My little brother was most certainly not abused as a young baby, and now we see him pacing, wetting the bed, and silent. (He is not stupid, but so far we haven't found a way for him to channel whatever intelligence is there to channel. He tested mentally ret*d, yet if you dumped a thousand piece puzzle on the floor, he'd have it done in less than an hour. Even if he hadn't seen it before.)

People do not get to the other end of the spectrum in a day. Both Keith and I have been abused by parents, teachers, and peers alike. Sam has been abused by my father (mentally in the sense that my father tries to do everything for him). But if bullying really drove people to the other end of the spectrum, then Keith and I would need a loony bin by now.

I'm not sure I entirely see your point. You seem to be saying that you and your older brother function pretty well despite a lot of abuse and bullying, but your little brother does not. Did I interpret that correctly?

Consider that there is a large area between the ends of the spectrum, and that you three are all somewhere along that spectrum. You seem to be saying that the amount of abuse/bullying is so much that if it would cause any shift in the spectrum, it should shift all the way. But that seems an untenable position to me, it could just as well have been just enough to shift you, say, a third of the way. And your little brother, being the last, may have gotten more of it because your caretakers were already used to the idea, so they managed to heap on more.

Also, abuse depends on perspective. Stuff like forcing eye contact, forcing hugs, grasping hands of someone stimming, forcing kids to go along to crowded places, seem okay to most, but can be very abusive to some. So it's almost impossible to compare the level you received to that of other people. Especially those who can't communicate very well (i.e. are on the other side of the spectrum).

I apologize for analyzing your situation with what little I know of it, but I saw no other way of making my point.

One of my two cents: To be honest, the talk of superior genes and being evolution kind of scare me because it reminds me of Magneto from X-Men, or it could possibly lead to or twisted into a situation like the Nazis hope of a master race, there I said it, those are my fears. (Not going to say anything about the messiness of unwritten society that really makes things harder.)