We are evolution-not them.

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How does one go about PROVING superiourity to other people? Via achievement? Yes-I need to put the WOW down and go out there and prove to the "scientific materialist" mindset that I am indeed more successful than they are before they'll ever take me seriously. That's not the kind of supermacy I was arguing for. Because it takes someone completely trapped in the mindset that Success = superiourity to totally miss the point of it. Supermacy? I make a better lover. I make a better father. I make a more moral person. I am MORE empathetic than so called NTS-I suffered bullying at their hands and formed alliances with other bullied kids. I made a vow never to bully anyone. If I didn't like someone I just cut them out of my life and it was over. I don't gain off other people's suffering-Supermacy like that is INNATE- and has NOTHING to do with the success scientific-materialist CHERISH. Some people-believe it or not, have psychophysically evolved PAST that mindset.

However, I do cherish your assertion that because I feel better than these people that I spend all of my time on WOW and playing other video games and I have a light saber I should go play with to embarass myself further-As if. I've been taking the bus downtown to teach people how to build computers so that the A+ certification I'm almost able to test out of without taking the stupid course will actually have some experience behind it. I love how you're so quick to assume that I've never done anything meaningful-especially because by the way you phrased everything meaningful is "work experience" in the "Real world".

So I'm a bit of a late start, So I have to volunteer to work my way into the world. So I'm 25 and I'm finally putting the pieces together to do something with my life.

What makes me different from an Nuerotypical? When I do favors for people-I don't expect anything in return. When I donate to charity I take the simple pleasure of helping someone as it's own reward. I do have deeds of compassion to my name, they are the quiet things no one ever knows. I don't take pleasure at people who don't deserve it's suffering. I don't find "Cruelty" Funny. I actually know what the world "Bullycide" means. I didn't find the megan meier story "hillarious." everywhere I look there are tons of examples of NTs LACKING empathy, and Aspies having MORE of it than them.

and the fact that you seem to believe that success = superiourity, is just one more example of the idea that I have more empathy than you.

Maybe I should draw down a bit on the supermacy idea, but that wasn't the point of my post. I'm not going to argue for "genocide" of the NT population, or anything like that.. I was simply arguing for many years they've managed to go about in a huge circle jerk (never convincing me btw) that THEY were somehow superior to US. All of my childhood I dealt with shunning from kids who clearly thought they were "better" than me, while all along I knew better.

I'm not arguing that we give them what they gave us. I'm just saying that just because they're the majority doesn't mean they're "right" or that we should have to adapt to THEM. Maybe, if they adapted to US, society would advance.

What makes me different from an Nuerotypical? When I do favors for people-I don't expect anything in return. When I donate to charity I take the simple pleasure of helping someone as it's own reward. I do have deeds of compassion to my name, they are the quiet things no one ever knows. I don't take pleasure at people who don't deserve it's suffering. I don't find "Cruelty" Funny. I actually know what the world "Bullycide" means. I didn't find the megan meier story "hillarious." everywhere I look there are tons of examples of NTs LACKING empathy, and Aspies having MORE of it than them.

You are saying that every single Nuerotypical is the exact same?

That is cruel and not showing compassion for the NT's that have helped others. I can think of many NT's that have helped me in many different ways

sorry, haven't quoted before did it wrong some how, small block of text at top of above message of mine is a quote of dawnbringer's

Dawnbringer,

In your five posts...I'm wondering what your actual agenda is.

No introduction just go straight into it with some superiority mumbo jumbo.

Are you attempting to start a cult or are you attempting to make aspies appear to be a threat?

Well I think aspies just try harder when they really enjoy something, (I personally think the original enjoyment is started by some confidence at the beginning, or a lucky start that can make us feel like we are better at it then others, then we stay better).

However in a world that is fundamentally social in the world's most social species, I think our fault is a pretty big one..

I understand.

All the negative aspects of Autism reported by the media and finally you read about a theory that you identify with. A theory that acknowledges and focuses on the neurological positive traits of Autism. Traits deemed superior as compared to those present in neurotypicals.

But, I'm afraid it's not that simple, young man.

Autistics have always been here along with the seemingly juxtaposition in the variety of limitations compared to abilities.

It's just that different stages of humanity made it easier for a broader group of people on the spectrum to survive and live inconspicuously.

I think different abilities and advantageous traits exist across group dynamics but i don't subscribe to the belief that any one group is superior than the other.


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IF you don't believe any one group is superior to any other then prehaps you can see my point? why is the impetius on US to Change for THEM? Why Do we have to be CHAMELEONS instead of OURSELVES so THEY can feel comfortable? Why do psychologist continue to pretend that there's nuerological differences are simply that we DO NOT UNDERSTAND SOCIAL NUANCE. I'm Sorry: But I for one only had trouble fitting in my childhood. The moment I turned 14 I had an explosive social life and fit in better than most nuerotypcials.

My agenda? I haven't even gotten into what my real agenda is. I didn't see this forum as the place for that agenda. But if you must know the social nuaces that I have the most trouble with and Disagree with the most they center around Gender roles. I might write like a man and physically be one but internally I'm an anomaly that a wide varietY (cue: not all) nuerotypcials feel must be wiped out. Mesbian.

My real goal Is the death of all gender roles and assignments not specifically dictated by nature itself-Society gets NO say in what the genders are or act like-Only nature.

But this isn't the forum for that. The only thing I wanted to point out here was that Asperger's is MISUNDERSTOOD. We understand the rules DAMN WELL: If we're not obeying them, the chances are it's DELIBERATE.

I think the point of existence is to experience things. I do periodically desire sexual intercourse, but on some very basic level (I think it's basic, anyway). My brain/consciousness/me has always found the actual implementation of sex gross. And it all just seems silly on any intellectual level. I'm simply not supposed to ever have sex with anyone.

This is fine, but it makes living on this planet rather awkward since so much of what people do is obviously intended to be a precursor to sex. If I really wanted, I could say that everything everybody does is about sex, but since I do things that I think aren't related to sexual intercourse I can't (rationally speaking.. if you're into that sort of thing). But it definitely seems to me that that's what most people are about.

I can understand why, since the human body really seems to want to do that kind of thing.. but, eh.. the actual implementation of it.. so bizarre

Wanting to save people who are attacking you - because those are your respective natural instincts - is very autistic. One of the main reasons I know Jesus was autistic.

The difference between LFA and HFA can only be seen after a few years of age. Hell, you can't even tell if a month-old baby is autistic or not. So it is entirely possible that the way a parent treats their child in the first few years has a strong influence on where on the spectrum that child ends up. Most of the latest studies and theories seem to agree that the "bad" autistic traits are coping mechanisms, so it seems likely that if the parents abuse their children in the first few years, that kid will develop many more coping mechanisms, and thus be pushed to the "low" end of the spectrum.

@John_Browning: Throwing around insults and blanket statements without arguments when you disagree with someone is a surefire way to not be taken seriously.

The *evolutionary* point of existence is to pass on your genes to future generations. So, to be *evolutionary* superior, you need to be better at passing on your genes. That means sex (for now, at least).

No, you describe me, an NT, and all my close NT friends. I am a better lover, a better mother, a more moral person, more empathetic, ..What makes me different from other people? When I do favors for people-I don't expect anything in return. When I donate to charity I take the simple pleasure of helping someone as it's own reward. I do have deeds of compassion to my name, they are the quiet things no one ever knows. I don't take pleasure at people who don't deserve it's suffering. I don't find "Cruelty" Funny..

You are horribly hurt and you are confusing kind people and unkind people. There are plenty of kind NTs and there are plenty of unkind autistics.

f*****g hell, oh my God, I hope parents of "low end" non-verbal autistic kids who do nothing but LOVE their kids, give up all of their lives, their independence, to love, care, keep safe, play with, nurture do not read this. f*****g hell I really hope not. How many HFA people posting on here, have a f*****g clue what they are taking about when it comes to parenting for a non-verbal autistic kids? I expect the mothers can answer this. They sacrifice all self-
interest, and give up their lives for their kids. f*****g hell. I'm out of here.

Raynaert: abuse and defence mechanisms don't work like that.

The problem with a lot of parents of autistics is they're hierarchy animals, absorbing a lot of pressure from the monkeys around them telling them that their child is defective. They would frequently sell out their children if they felt more comfortable within the herd. To grow up fully healthy your parents need to be gods, bowing to no one.

You are attacking people on nonsensical grounds and seem to be enjoying it. Therefore I suspect your motives for posting here. *shrugs*