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11 Jan 2012, 3:25 am

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I would like to know how you even get addicted in the first place. I've smoked cigarettes numerous times, like when I'm over at a friend's house or at a pub, but I never feel the desire to go out and buy a pack for my own personal use.


Lucky you.

It was an actual question. Do you make a conscious decision to become a smoker?



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11 Jan 2012, 3:35 am

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I would like to know how you even get addicted in the first place. I've smoked cigarettes numerous times, like when I'm over at a friend's house or at a pub, but I never feel the desire to go out and buy a pack for my own personal use.


Lucky you.

It was an actual question. Do you make a conscious decision to become a smoker?


Some do, but I don't think most people do.

I started doing it every day after meals to relax me. That set it up as a ritual. Then it became after meals and before bed. Then it became after meals, before bed and after waking up with my morning coffee. It became ritualised in more and more parts of my life. Just lighting up on a random occasion isn't enough to build an addiction. The ritual is the most addictive part.


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11 Jan 2012, 5:08 am

I see.



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11 Jan 2012, 8:13 am

As for the part about heroin addiction vs smoking cigarettes, I think one of the factors is that when you quit smoking you are still exposed to it quite a bit. That can make it harder.

If you are at work you don't have a coworker come up to you and say "I'll be back in a minute, I'm going to shoot up". You don't walk past people in groups outside doors hitting up. You don't see people walking down the street shooting up. (Or smoking or snorting it, whatever your ROA was). Smoking isn't as socially acceptable anymore due to health factors but it is still much more socially acceptable than heroin. Your friends will not cut you out of their lives if you start smoking again. Your family will not kick you out and disown you if you start smoking again. So, I feel that even though the "reward" from heroin (euphoria, being hugged by God, stopping the withdrawals) is greater than from a cigarette, it's a much bigger decision to go back for one more shot than it is to just have one more cigarette. Although people who smoke socially only, and aren't addicted and don't really buy cigarettes often are in the same catagory as chippers. Neither may be physically addicted, but they both enjoy it very much at the time.

When I've quit before, (and I tried again this New Year and couldn't keep it up) I've had the best results with Welbutrin. The drug makes cigs taste bad after a few days, and it also for some reason makes me not stress over the fact that I don't like smoking anymore. I just quit of my own accord because I don't like it and it doesn't bother me. I do miss the habit itself though, like someone else said, the ritual. Funny thing is, when I'm on the Welbutrin the smell of others smoking doesn't bother me. I actually quite enjoy it. It's like a vicarious thing. I live with smokers and managed to stay off cigs for a year once because of Welbutrin. Nobody went outside so it wouldn't bother me. It never did bother me.


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11 Jan 2012, 9:54 am

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I would like to know how you even get addicted in the first place. I've smoked cigarettes numerous times, like when I'm over at a friend's house or at a pub, but I never feel the desire to go out and buy a pack for my own personal use.

Well, for me it was like a stim. And it was something I 'self-destructive' to calm after outbursts, 'a slow suicide' if you will. And I have a lot of outbursts, people piss me off. Not to mention ritual aspects. I think it's sort of a friend as well.



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11 Jan 2012, 4:11 pm

Burzum wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
Burzum wrote:
I would like to know how you even get addicted in the first place. I've smoked cigarettes numerous times, like when I'm over at a friend's house or at a pub, but I never feel the desire to go out and buy a pack for my own personal use.


Lucky you.

It was an actual question. Do you make a conscious decision to become a smoker?


It was a semi conscious decision made at a young age (11 for me). It's a good thing that it is a lot tougher for young people to obtain cigarettes now than when I was young. Most heavy smokers started because they we're too young to truly realize what they we're dealing with.
For the first year or so before I started smoking on a regular basis, I would feel a minor "high" from cigarettes, that's what I did it for. It wasn't for social reasons, to be "cool", I started long before the other kids.

Then after smoking on a regular basis, I was hooked.

On another note, IMO, anyone who smokes a pack or less a day isn't even a real smoker.


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14 Jan 2012, 10:57 am

I do. Since I was about 17. My whole family smokes, and I'm sure my mother smoked when she was pregnant with me. My brother got me to smoke when I was young, and then my friend used to sneak cigs for us to share while we were waiting for the school bus. At that time, it was because I thought I was cool that I had smoked one before going into my 7th grade school. My other friend smoked often at 17 so I used to smoke with him. As soon as I could buy my own, I did and started smoking a pack a day, and that's where I'm still at. I quit through both my pregnancies, made way easy because that was the main cause of morning sickness for me. I started back as soon as I could get out of bed after giving birth. My grandmother died from Emphysema,, and my whole family (myself included) all said that we would stop, but none of us have. I do want to try the e-cig, just to see if I can at least cut down.



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14 Jan 2012, 11:25 am

Burzum wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
Burzum wrote:
I would like to know how you even get addicted in the first place. I've smoked cigarettes numerous times, like when I'm over at a friend's house or at a pub, but I never feel the desire to go out and buy a pack for my own personal use.


Lucky you.

It was an actual question. Do you make a conscious decision to become a smoker?


I started smoking because the guy I was dating at the time did, and he would always have long, fun-sounding smoke breaks with everyone else in the apartment. So I started joining them, then only smoking when I was drinking, and I would take one about half the time they were offered, just to have an actual reason to be standing around. And at some point, it switched from, "sure, I can deal with the taste right now" to thoughtlessly accepting one and lighting up, to buying packs for friends who'd bummed me a few, to buying my own packs. I had to make myself absolutely sick on them in order to quit, and I still crave one when I'm really upset or stressed out.



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14 Jan 2012, 11:44 am

Do any aspies smoke cigarettes?


Nope never have never will. I tried a couple of times but never got into it, this coming from someone who's got an addictive personality.


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14 Jan 2012, 12:25 pm

Burzum wrote:
I would like to know how you even get addicted in the first place. I've smoked cigarettes numerous times, like when I'm over at a friend's house or at a pub, but I never feel the desire to go out and buy a pack for my own personal use.


This is actually an intresting question, I don't really know how I got addicted....and did not realise it was an addiction until I realised I couldn't stop smoking them. I mean sometimes it does not even seem like a fully concious choice I can be talking to someone or just sitting there and find myself lighting up a ciggerette I never remember actually thinking i wanted. I am working on cutting down and maybe even totally quitting but its much harder then one would think.

Can't remember exactly what nicotine does to my brain but maybe I've smoked so many ciggerettes my brain can't produce that chemical so then I end up 'needing' a ciggerette.


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14 Jan 2012, 11:57 pm

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I do. Since I was about 17. My whole family smokes, and I'm sure my mother smoked when she was pregnant with me. My brother got me to smoke when I was young, and then my friend used to sneak cigs for us to share while we were waiting for the school bus. At that time, it was because I thought I was cool that I had smoked one before going into my 7th grade school. My other friend smoked often at 17 so I used to smoke with him. As soon as I could buy my own, I did and started smoking a pack a day, and that's where I'm still at. I quit through both my pregnancies, made way easy because that was the main cause of morning sickness for me. I started back as soon as I could get out of bed after giving birth. My grandmother died from Emphysema,, and my whole family (myself included) all said that we would stop, but none of us have. I do want to try the e-cig, just to see if I can at least cut down.



give e-cigs a try. At first you need to alternate between reg smokes and e-cig because it is not the same. It does give you the nicotine calm though and works to get you down to less cigs. I applaud you for stopping during pregnancy. keep that in mind that even though it caused morning sickness, the bottom line is you stopped!



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15 Jan 2012, 7:21 am

I've done a bit of research on this and:

Nicotine metabolizes different among persons, meaning the slower you take to metabolize it, the less cravings one can have from nicotine withdrawal. When I smoked it was never more than half a pack a day and at the lowest point, only 3 a day.

THC, alcohol, and nicotine have been used for an incredibly long time amongst us HUMANS. For one they are anti-inflammatory agents in the brain. I know for a fact that I would have had many more cases where my brain 'overloaded' wherein it was intensely feverish, mental cognition 'seizing up', wading in and out of 'brain fog' when I didn't have nicotine - not to be confused with 'addiction' but related to the symptoms of my autism. Smoking also made me a bit more social than I would have otherwise been, helping me a bit in the social networking part of life while I attended college.

I will say that smoking (nicotine) helped me get my Associates Degree, without the nicotine I am not so sure I could have coped with the stress. I had flunked out of art school previously. It really calmed me and helped my brain to focus longer. I happen to be one of those persons who metabolize nicotine more slowly than others. As far as the smell is concerned the rate of intake was lower more often due to sensory sensitivities that would come up from time to time due to stress.

The smell of cigarettes varies greatly from brand to brand with higher quality tobacco not smelling like ass, rather it is sweet smelling. I only smoked cigarettes that weren't chemically induced and were all-natural. There are better delivery options now for getting nicotine into your system e.g., vaporizers and those weird electronic versions (beware the proplyn glycol). Besides that pipe tobacco, depending on what you grab, is one of the most comforting smells known to mankind.

There aren't a lot of pharmaceuticals I would put into my body, but I feel confident in saying that there are self-medication options available and I use them as needed: alcohol, nicotine, and caffeine. Post-Modern society pretty much requires me to self-medicate with all these three things. Rather have something that is working as intended versus dealing with the horror story that is toxicity, untenable side-affects, et. al. I don't see smoking as high of a risk as the meds that some people take when done in moderation and only as medicine. If you live in an urban area chances are the air is just as wretched than what a smoking is putting in already.

DISCLAIMER : I do not condone smoking a pack a day of cigarettes - that's the road to addiction. If you don't have the willpower to cut-back or quit please assess that before taking any kind of drug.

And according to Pete above I was never a smoker, because I wasn't smoking a pack a day. If you're a pack a day chimney (in jest) then you're probably one of those folks who overturn nicotine in your brain thingy faster than myself. I use it like I would caffeine, thus it isn't a lifestyle, and used on an occasion that requires me to both chill-out and concentrate. 3~ / day was enough for me to socialize occasionally, wait at the bus stop with my coffee in the morning, between classes, and or on the way home. Morning, noon, and night.

I currently don't smoke anymore due to where I live; it is not permissible. I smoked from 2007-2010~



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15 Jan 2012, 8:26 am

I've tried cigarettes a few times in the past and they don't do anything for me. So I'm not a smoker. I've always thought that it would be a good thing to do with your hands. I could never be a smoker though. My motor skills suck so much that I have a terrible time lighting the cigarettes. I also get really self conscious about how I'm inhaling so I looked like a tool when I smoked weed sporadically in the past.

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15 Jan 2012, 9:45 am

i used to smoke for a few years but just quit for the last month, and i realised that its not the physical withdrawal that's worse about cigarettes since most of them don't last that long, but its the habit formation of regularly having a smoke at certain intervals that makes it tougher to quit, the psychological aspect of it is the most nagging part, when it becomes a part of your life and any imagination of your daily schedule seems empty without that smoke. so i figured trying to remember a time when one didn't smoke could act as an encouragement, but i guess when one has been smoking for too long the memory of a smokeless day is just too far away...



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15 Jan 2012, 10:04 am

I smoke a little, 3 or 4 a day, but always wash my hands and eat a mint afterwards because I dislike the smell.



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15 Jan 2012, 10:20 am

I smoke. I used to do it to reduce my tendency to talk to myself. Instead of talking to myself I'd keep my mouth busy with a cigarette. Unfortunately I now just talk to myself whilst I am smoking anyway. The smoking is stress relief, although I do find it pleasurable. I look like a loon when I am stressed as I wander around the house rubbing my tickle, smoking and talking to myself lol. People think I have gone quite mad, but I am just trying to calm myself down and sooth myself.