Psychiatry EXPOSED!

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The fact is that psychiatry is real. The true fraud is that video and Scientology.

I think that's what he meant

Actually, a lot of psychiatry isn't real, or is at best guesswork piled on top of guesswork piled on top of guesswork that was originally piled on top of someone's harebrained theories about how the human mind worked (or how it worked in specific instances).

A lot of the "chemical imbalance" idea, for instance, was formed in response to how people appeared to react to certain drugs (not necessarily how they did react, either) -- if the drug affects serotonin, and seems to "work" for some random value of "work" (which varies), then you say there was a "serotonin imbalance", and so on and so forth, even if there's no actual evidence for that, and even if the drugs are having other effects that might explain why they "work". This doesn't mean that some people's lives aren't better when they take various drugs, but it does mean a lot of the theory for why that is can be total BS and that goes unchecked in psychiatry-land.

This is, in part, how such ridiculous ideas about autism as currently exist, get to propagate: The standards for reality in many branches of psychiatry are very low and people, provided they have the proper credentials, can pull full-formed theories out of their butts and get support for them. A friend of mine described it as a refuge for people who'd make better poets or fiction writers than scientists. All you need is a degree and/or a certain amount of clinical experience and you, too, can make up and publish ideas about all kinds of people.

Just because $cientology is destructive crap (and it is) doesn't mean psychiatry isn't also largely destructive crap. Just because people have certain experiences doesn't mean the names, explanations, and "treatments" for those experiences given by psychiatry necessarily make any sense. Etc.

I'd really like them to try and define "inbalance", for one. Any good scientist knows that to have an operational definition, you need to define what it is exactly. And it seems to me they don't really know other than, "Someone with 'Schizophrenia' is more likely to 'improve' with antipsychotics". (Of course that statement's fraut with peril and paradoxes, too.)

I personally have very little love and a good deal of animosity for Psychiatry today. However, just because I think THEY'RE idiots doesn't mean I discount that people who come to them are having problems that they maybe want and need help with.

But when it comes down to it, evolution knows no "disease" or "illness". Every organism simply "is". So these ideas in our culture are simply semantics and symbolism for someone or something which deviates from the norm.

I often wonder if Scientology is deliberately trying to make the psychiatric industry look "good" because their efforts cast doubt on anyone who questions pscyhiatry's theories or methods. If you do then you are considered to be in agreement with them when in fact there are plenty who question the "psychiatry industry" who do not agree with Co$. There may be some "real" medical reasons for certain things happening, but the ideas presented by psychiatrists that they know anything about chemical imbalances or what causes certain conditions and what mandatory treatments should be are about as accurate as those who claim autism is mercury poisoning. They can use very dramatic words that sound plausible but are much more theory and ponderings than science to validate what they say. However, after seeing stuff produced by Co$ then people immediately want to rush to defend psychiatry.

I think that a lot of people are seriously trying to do the best they can, however:

1. Human knowledge is still pretty limited by the vast that we have not been doing science for very long. We tend to think in some Star Trek way - but no one knows that much

2. Everyone comes at the problem (human mentality: its measure and alteration) from some philosophical position

3. Many techniques seem to work - at least if we accept the side effects, and lack of total correction of the problem

4. Some problems aren't really problems at all

5. many "scientists" know some esoteric technique, but little of Science

6. Rarely do the NTs (no matter how intelligent) actually ask specifically for the input (during systemal setup) of the non NTs that they are attempting to "cure"

I tend to distrust all mind wrenching as it seems to me to be by of and for NTs. good luck to all no matter what or which approach you take.

Totally with you on this, ZM.
The neuro-psychiatrist (yep, another new unholy hybrid invented by the guy and his mates to get their names in journals) I saw actually told me that 80% of the cases they see are 'a mystery', that they can only dx 20% with any certainty. Nonetheless, this guy doesn't recognise AS or other PDDs and our connection seems to have come to a mutual dissolution. I ask too many questions and refused to take the huge, or indeed any, quantities of his drug of choice - because I know from experience that my brain reacts excessively and very oddly to psycho-active drugs (strangely enough, it's incredibly uncomfortable...). Then the medics treat me as if it's 'my fault'. So, not only am I un-Aspergers I have an amazing ability to change my brain chemistry at will to somehow spite them. A*holes, the lot of them.

It is hard for me to believe that psychiatry/psychology can be a hard science when you think about something like this:

Quote taken from : http://www.cerebromente.org.br/n02/hist ... botomy.htm

Below refers to psychiatry/psychology as a whole, not lobotomies (which are an abomination)...

I used to think it was all a sham, but now I think it can be helpful for some people in some circumstances. I do think everyone needs someone to be skeptical for them, to provide oversight for diagnosis and treatment, especially for children. I think that far too often parents just rubberstamp whatever the "professional" tells them, whether it can be supported by their own experience/knowledge/research/etc or not. Just like anything else, not everyone in the field is necessarily providing good service and the 'patient' often needs some help to be sure they are getting good assistance from this 'professional.'

Schizophrenia - "Writing is just a socially acceptable way to deal with the voices you hear in your head." ZM (I'm being sarcastic here in a way, but in a way I am not. I do hear my characters in my head, I've never felt they were real. I could see some shrink screwing up that diagnosis.)


Incomprehensible crimes - Sociopathy, suffered by many serial killers cannot be treated by anyone. They simply have no capacity to connect at all with another person. The wiring is missing. Because they can experience no connection, they have no empathy and the most they can do with another human is play a game, like poking them with a pin and seeing how they react. This usually starts because they are curious and sometimes escalates out of control. Sometimes, they just torment their families and neighbors with "games." So to imply that this is mental illness that can be treated is a misnomer. My mother is a flat out Sociopath. Her doctor had the brainy idea (after she tried to drown my brothers) to give her tranquilizers. They made it worse and my brothers took the brunt of that fallout. (Thanks Doc) Then, he sent her to a Psychiatrist who gave her electroshock (this was in the 1950's). Well, that didn't cure her, but it did make her ten times more leery about what normal people could do to her. She became more angry and we were the targets (being close by and kids). So the end result was that she was just more clever at what she did to us so she wouldn't get caught. I don't think I'm going to be standing in line to thank Psychiatry for that anytime soon. Sorry.

Psychopaths and Pedophiles also cannot be treated or cured by Psychiatry. Two more neuro problems that cause incomprehensible crimes to be committed.

Schizophrenia is about the only one that I can think of that has symptoms that can be treated with any success, but the truth of the matter is that more horrible crimes are committed by the above than Schizophrenics.


That doesn't mean that I don't think they can help with feelings of depression, helplessness, hopelessness or the like. They didn't help me and I have no use for them. My cure was to get away from my mother and stay away from her. Actually, when I was about eight, I figured out she was just 'off' and quit responding to her. That's the one thing that works with a Sociopath. If they get no reaction, they move to the next lab rat, ummm human. I sincerely doubt a Psychiatrist back then would have told me that, although now it's pretty common advice. I do however think they could probably help my brothers who still struggle with her games and their effects.

Shrinks do tend to make a hobby of crushing the will of their "patients". That's why I don't bother with them, anymore.

psychiatry can help "some" people. My mother has bipolar disorder and she was put on Lithium Risperdal and Effexor and this medication has helped her a lot. If she stops taking it then her mood will fluctuate very quickly and with very bad consequences. My mother is not "cured" but she has this medication in order to fuction. So she needs psychiatry.

The only problem I have with psyciatrists is it seems like anyone who walks into their office is put on medication, they dont seem to know or acknowlage that medication is not the answer to everything, the psyciatrist who was working with me was extremely rude and arrogant, He would not listen to my opinion and just ended the appointment. He put me on medication even though he said he did not believe I had a chemical imbalence. thats just wrong. neadless to say it did not help me. If they are giving people medication when they dont believe theres a chemical imbalence then where exackly do the draw the line and say ok this person is healthy, he does not need medication.

I am sure some psyciatrists have "deals" with drug companys $$$

Who ever made that video designed it with questions that will make psychiatry look bad and then cut it together. If they wanted to make psychiatry look bad they should have come up with better arguements then that, its not hard. i dont meen to defend psychiatry, i really dont like psyciatrists but i cant deny that they have helped my mom.

Even in the case of your mom I think I would feel better if a Neurologist dealt with it and a Pyschiatrist deal with the mental and emotional fallout of the disorder. I know they go to school to prescribe drugs, but I distrust their medical knowledge. I don't think they understand enough about the side effects of the drugs or the way they are supposed to work at an anatomical level. I trust a neurologist to better figure that out. It worries me that some drugs help one patient, but not another and not enough is known about the drugs to differentiate why that is. What might help your mother may harm the next patient. It's that haphazard success rate that scares me.


Although, I am glad that your mother was helped by what the Psychiatrist gave her. When it works, I am always happy. I just wish the results were more consistent.

As I said, I don't think Psychiatry as a whole is quackery, but I do feel they take over neurological problems they know they can't treat under the guise that they can help. That is a slippery slope I don't care for at all.


P.S. You are right about the drugs. The same is true of doctors. They get incentives for prescribing. It's also an easy fix. If you are drugged enough, you'll stop complaining.

Psychology has some problems, and I'm not sure ADHD is real, but it's not some evil conspiricy.

Well, I'm drugged, so whatever.

If your going to post so you can further your religion's principle beliefs, its only fair that you disclaim your motives.

Similiarly, I have no great love of psychiatry, but scientology is amongst the things that I wish the world didnt have.

[though it is responsible for some truly hillarious south park episode and uncyclopedia entries]

Totally agree.

And it looks like someone got persuaded by the Scientology folks that Psychology was bad.

The dude on the Video is named Fred Baughman. You can check him out at WWW.ADHDFRAUD.COM which is his homepage and not the more logical www.fredbaughman.com. Fred believes that all mental disorders are FAKE and that they are FRAUDS. He likes to do that, that is to capitalize the words FAKE and FRAUD in the text he uses to describe any mental disorder. It seems like the starter of the thread has picked up on this fad with his title: Psychiatry EXPOSED! Fred is a medical expert for the CCHR which has strong ties to Scientology. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... exist.html

I find the great irony here is that if Autism is a FAKE and a FRAUD then what are we all doing here? Baugham believes every mental disorder you can think of like Epilepsy, Schizophrenia, or Tourettes is a FAKE. There is no blood test, DON'T YOU SEE?