stand up against: hitler didn't have asperger

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And as an answer to mr. Fitzgerald's research, people with my intelligence profile (verbal very high, performance normal to above normal), have an overlap with asperger's syndrome. I always have had sleeping problems, I am a bit shy in my social contact, and I miss the emotional part of the social contact, I want to talk about interesting things, not about a new Iphone or etc.

I think Hitler is having so much more attributed to him than one person can, do people really think that Hitler was solely responsible for every action that occurred, that he single handedly kept the german people in his control. He was a nugget of pure evil that corrupted the country?

He was just a man, but he wasn't alone there were people who believed in him, shared his views, there was a country that did so too.

Hitler is just being made into an anti-idol (is there a word for that?), a focus for vilification to avoid actually considering the truth that real normal people thousands, millions of them can go off the rails, and end up being part of a terrible thing, knowingly or unknowingly.

Aspergers is just a convenient and fashionable label to pin on him, don't worry he'll be called something else later when some social scientists and psychologists further analyse society and identify traits that have existed since forever, and then give it a name.

Hitler studies is just a weird syndrome in itself, I mean really, he was a bad man, he did bad things, he is dead now. Thats all you need to know. The obsession of trying to reinvent the persona of Hitler to meet with the current thinking is ridiculous.

What's up with all the labels being flung around?

Can we not all just accept that he was an evil man?

Why?.....he could have had aspergers he could have had a personality disorder, who knows? Besides he's dead so there is no way of finding out.

I think people forget something we learned a long time ago.
"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts ABSOLUTELY" Weird, but sane people can indeed become monsters in certain situations. That doesn't mean we are all bad, it just means to be careful. Especially in how much power you let ANYONE hold..

Just saying..
Matt

Didn't read most of the posts. Just sayin, Hitler was abused as a child supposedly, so that should be taken into account when you guys are trying to diagnose him.

I think Hitler got that way because of his childhood and how people treated him so he turned into a monster. But no people do not want to accept this, they do not want to accept that abusing someone and treating someone badly can turn them into bad people. But it could have also been a coincidence we will never know. Even if he were to have a happy childhood, have lots of friends and lot of people liked him and respected him and no one called him a loser and he became an architect like he wanted, he may have still became a monster but we'll never know.

There's a great book called Hitler:The Pathology of Evil.
It's worth a read, the author goes into his past history and how it affected him.

On a personal note:
As for his DX, heck even though I have a B.S. in Psychology I'm not even going to attempt to "diagnose" him. (I'd have to have my PhD or PsyD and have my own practice, even then I still wouldn't qualify). I can draw hypothesis based on what I've read but no one will know for sure. For one he's a dead dictator. But a fascinating historical character nonetheless, so I can easily see why there are so many hypothetical debates on him and his psychological conditions.

But I don't agree with a lot of Psych literature. But that's a while different debate.

how can an autistic person deal with politics? doesn't that require an understanding of the human nature, and being diplomatic, kissing up to the right people? how can one drag other people after him without knowing how to talk to their darkest side? aspies don't make good salespeople, or politicians. imagine a priminster that always says the wrong thing because he has no idea what the other person is thinking. hell, if i was a president i'd probably start world war three WITHOUT intention! simply by saying the wrong things and being misunderstood.
how can you be in politics without remembering faces? you might mistake the president of an alley country for the cleaning man.
what about a faraway look in the eyes? bill gates has it, and alber einstien had that quirky aspie look. hitler didnt. only a dark, icy look, like a predator before an attack. take one look and get a heart attack.
an aspie look is not a blood chilling look. it's a gentle, dreamy look.

Al Gore may have aspergers, so it is possible that Hitler had it too, but it is more likely that he was just a psychopath.

Many disorders have been given to Hitler: bipolar personality disorder, paranoid, repressed homosexual, schizoid personality disorder. In the end,
there's no way to know for sure because he is dead, and psychiatrists never spoke to him, as far as I know. In fact, he had the works of Sigmund
Freud burned.

Hi Anton,

Some of us have been deeply, deeply hurt by people with the disorders that you mentioned and are trying to cling to any thread of a chance that they could have AS instead, which would lessen the blow greatly. My mother has NPD, I'm fairly certain that she is literally incapable of loving me, or any one for that matter. She once told me that she had to force herself to hug me. The psychological torment that this woman put me through makes me wonder how she made it this far in life without being locked in an institution. There ARE very many similar symptoms between AS and NPD, and I can understand why someone would find themselves not completely convinced that they are not related in some way. If was able to determine that my mother has AS instead of NPD, that would mean that my perceptions of her abuse were likely wrong, and that she was more likely just oblivious instead of an emotional vampire, setting me up for failure just to enjoy watching me fall. Unfortunately, I've concluded over and over again that there is no way that she could possibly have AS...but I would hardly call my confusion (and hoping) "nonsense".

Hitler wasn't born "evil". He was as much the product of his environment as he was the product of his own nature. Of course a persons nature can be deeply affected by those around them and Hitler had a very troubled youth. Also, religious zealotry was a significant factor. This is why I so deeply oppose organized religion. An NT leaders power increases with every other NT under their command. Also it doesn't matter what the purpose of the organization is, NT's will cultivate power for the sake of power regardless of any moral, ethical, or environmental deterrents. They will also abuse it just as readily too.

The real question is should we be bothered if he was? No we shouldn't. Denial isn't in an aspie's nature from what I can tell but, it is in the nature of NT's. If knowledge is power then Truth is the purest form of it. Ignoring the truth for the sake of vanity is an NT trait. The fact is, Hitler was a genius whose delusional beliefs led him down the path of tyranny. Same goes for most world conquerors, but our current educational institutions like to emphasize Hitler and the holocaust for whatever reason.

So, my point is, that if Hitler was an aspie, he wasn't born with a desire to commit genocide and thus it would be amiss to regard all aspies through the lens of Hitler, not to mention the fact we'll never know for sure if he was. Remember though, nobody hates naturally, it was instilled in him during his life and only when it was married with unfettered power and mass NT obedience was he able to become the tyrant we know today. It was a perfect storm of chance and circumstance but Hitler was as much a human as anyone else and anyone who thinks he was some kinda of antichrist or demon is deluded.

Old thread is old.

Unrelated to this thread, in general, BUT specific to your comment; it's a very deep and wide spectrum.

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TheSunAlsoRises

I really don't care. The a***hole is dead, let's worry about famous Aspies who are alive.