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Do you find the images disturbing?
Yes 37%  37%  [ 21 ]
No 63%  63%  [ 36 ]
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18 Mar 2012, 9:22 am

1. Customers are the people who truly pay a company's wages. So you make your customers feel valued. On the day of a big launch, Apple seem to be making their customers feel VERY welcomed, even worshipped. Customer = very happy.

2. Customer has a got a product that he has looked forward to for some time. Again, customer = very happy.

Nothing worrying here.


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18 Mar 2012, 9:30 am

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Oh, I understand the reasoning behind it all well enough. That isn't the problem. One can know but not understand. I'm curious if people behave this way (the football photo as an example) totally consciously or whether it is purely an automatic and instinctive reaction? I ask because I have never felt any such urge; it's not like its a repressed thing and I don't ever 'feel' this 'group synergy'.


Are you an introvert nemorosa?


Indeed I am.

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As an Extrovert like I said before is a "Solar Panel" they naturally gravitate towards group stuff & they deploy they solar panels.

Where as an Introvert starts depleting, to the point you need to leave & recharge your batteries.


The thread was never really intended to address ignorance of human behaviour, though much of it is strange and inexplicable, but rather a curiosity about the reactions of others to certain images.

So far it has been much misinterpreted variously as about: consumerism, ipads, sales or store openings, instant gratification, idol worship and more...
I'm much more interested in how the images make people feel.

I'm quite capable of coming up with plausible explanations for what is featured in the photos. The second photo on the first page shows the guy is happy with his purchase, I get that. The fact that he needs to express it and in that way "feels" alien to me because I have never had or will have thoughts about behaving in such a way. This is not a statement meant to imply that people (such as that guy) shouldn't behave as they do or even that if they do they aren't human, merely that for this observer such images set the alarm bells ringing in my "creepy detector".



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18 Mar 2012, 9:41 am

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1. Customers are the people who truly pay a company's wages. So you make your customers feel valued. On the day of a big launch, Apple seem to be making their customers feel VERY welcomed, even worshipped. Customer = very happy.


But are they? I assume if you wanted an iPad you'd be going into the shop whether they'd brought out that welcoming committee or not. Personally I'd run a mile seeing that so they potentially alienate customers. I see only negatives and no positive.

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2. Customer has a got a product that he has looked forward to for some time. Again, customer = very happy.


But why show it? Why does he care if others see if he is happy or not? Anyway that's more of a side issue for me. The fact remains that I'm extremely sensitive to others displays of emotion which make me feel uneasy, confused and anxious. I guess this is not an issue for most people.



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18 Mar 2012, 9:43 am

You read the book "The Introvert Advantage How to Thrive in an Extrovert World"?


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18 Mar 2012, 10:52 am

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In principle, it's a group high that stems from accomplishment. A synergy of efforts that won the prize. The game was successfully traversed.

The 'soccer' picture shows that emotion.

As an introvert, I did play some baseball and we won 2 championships, and it's about the thing of overcoming obstacles for a win. No different for the NASA team when Apollo 11 made the lunar landing. You heard cheers from the exuberance that they did it. " We were about to turn blue here."

It's being a part of 'that something' in real time ( not analysing the parts of life from a remote corner). It's only understood from being there as part of it. You are included in it and your part played a small successful role.

It's an understanding of other minds and understanding their efforts towards the goal. Ergo, an appreciation or feel of them as they applied themselves and surmounted all the challenges. They sacrificed or spent themselves in behalf of others in various ways-- a group dynamic.


That's what I see too. I am guessing it has evolutionary origins in the cooperation needed for hunting large game. Bringing an ipad update to market is trivial in comparison to bringing down a woolly mammoth, but it's a wonderful feeling whether the group jointly accomplishes something important or something trivial.

My most trivial personal example was a group endeavor to move a large and unwieldy piece of furniture. When we got it from pont A to distant point B we cheered in similar jubilation.


Oh, I understand the reasoning behind it all well enough. That isn't the problem. One can know but not understand. I'm curious if people behave this way (the football photo as an example) totally consciously or whether it is purely an automatic and instinctive reaction? I ask because I have never felt any such urge; it's not like its a repressed thing and I don't ever 'feel' this 'group synergy'.


When I see the joy of a mother at the sight of her newborn, it's a high 5 reaction from me. .... not that I'd literally do that, :lol: but..............

Is this planned or unplanned ?...... certainly it's instinctual. And it's all empathy based.



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18 Mar 2012, 12:19 pm

Not disturbing, just a bit silly.


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18 Mar 2012, 12:31 pm

Why buy it new when you can just wait until next year when they upgrade it yet again...then you buy this years model cheaper.


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18 Mar 2012, 1:43 pm

ok so what is wrong with what the employees are doing? is it their arms in the air cheering, or is it the fact they are doing it together, or is it the fact it's regarding a product?


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18 Mar 2012, 2:33 pm

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ok so what is wrong with what the employees are doing? is it their arms in the air cheering, or is it the fact they are doing it together, or is it the fact it's regarding a product?


:wall: Forget about the product. Really. Please. And forget about employees. In fact, forget almost everything you know.

Just imagine you know nothing and see people gurning and waving their arms around strangely. Wouldn't it feel just a teensy weensy bit weird? Itty bitty weird?

Or the men from the football photo roaring in yer face? Doesn't that make your stomach do flip-flops and set off a klaxon in your head? If not this thread is obviously not for you. :)



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18 Mar 2012, 2:37 pm

I will not support Apple and I find the images disturbing. I actually recently watched a documentary about this and they mention Apple stores. They basically run it like a church in some ways. They have the definitions of what fits into a sort of cult. The way people are docturned into the Apple products and apple stores. It just makes me feel uncomfortable the way it is runned and the way customers are treated. I recently had the chance to walk into an Apple Store. And it was very crowded and hard for me to deal with, I actually was about two seconds from spiraling into an overwhelming situation. It was really loud in there too and I could hardly focus on any information.



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18 Mar 2012, 2:42 pm

so i am supposed to find it disturbing to look at, or to do myself?

i've cheered for a team before. once i even pretended to cheer as a person in a crowd because i was an extra in a movie. so i don't find it disturbing to cheer. not even disturbing to cheer together as a group.

i think people wave their arms because they feel exuberant energy. so at a game they might leap to their feet and throw their arms up and shout as they have lots of adrenaline. a bunch of people might do it as a group because they all support the same team.


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18 Mar 2012, 2:47 pm

I don't cheer or wave my arms because of social anxiety and because I don't feel any urge to do so. Doing things like that would make me uncomfortable and serve no purpose.


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18 Mar 2012, 2:52 pm

nemorosa wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
ok so what is wrong with what the employees are doing? is it their arms in the air cheering, or is it the fact they are doing it together, or is it the fact it's regarding a product?


:wall: Forget about the product. Really. Please. And forget about employees. In fact, forget almost everything you know.

Just imagine you know nothing and see people gurning and waving their arms around strangely. Wouldn't it feel just a teensy weensy bit weird? Itty bitty weird?

Or the men from the football photo roaring in yer face? Doesn't that make your stomach do flip-flops and set off a klaxon in your head? If not this thread is obviously not for you. :)


Imagining that myself, If I could not feel another mind, then the behavior would have to be abstracted to intellectually understand it. There would be a cognitive abstraction less anything intuitive about it, ie. no emotion, no "good" or "bad" associated with it, therefore no personal value.... the concept could not connected to your person.

It could be analogous to looking at a kaleidoscope and figuring out the mechanism behind it. It wouldn't be good or bad, but just there, and could engender 'a little weirdness,' as to why to make such a toy.



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18 Mar 2012, 2:56 pm

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so i am supposed to find it disturbing to look at, or to do myself?

i've cheered for a team before. once i even pretended to cheer as a person in a crowd because i was an extra in a movie. so i don't find it disturbing to cheer. not even disturbing to cheer together as a group.

i think people wave their arms because they feel exuberant energy. so at a game they might leap to their feet and throw their arms up and shout as they have lots of adrenaline. a bunch of people might do it as a group because they all support the same team.


http://articles.cnn.com/2011-05-19/tech ... _s=PM:TECH

Watch the BBC Documentary Superbrands. It's episode 1 of 3 it's about Technology. Then come back to me about that image.



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18 Mar 2012, 2:56 pm

nemorosa wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
ok so what is wrong with what the employees are doing? is it their arms in the air cheering, or is it the fact they are doing it together, or is it the fact it's regarding a product?


:wall: Forget about the product. Really. Please. And forget about employees. In fact, forget almost everything you know.

Just imagine you know nothing and see people gurning and waving their arms around strangely. Wouldn't it feel just a teensy weensy bit weird? Itty bitty weird?

Or the men from the football photo roaring in yer face? Doesn't that make your stomach do flip-flops and set off a klaxon in your head? If not this thread is obviously not for you. :)

It's weird because it's forced. They are not behaving like they usually behave. They do it to get attention. People seeking attention are ALWAYS weird, especially to aspies. They are trying to fit in, climbing higher on their social ladder. They want the world to know they are awesome and that new people will come to them and praise them. I'd say it's hypocrisy, they think they're the best and everything else is s**t. It's all disproportioned, blown up and officially a social danger zone for aspies like us. I do like some apple products tho and am not bashing them because they like apple. I got an iPod myself.



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18 Mar 2012, 2:58 pm

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Or the men from the football photo roaring in yer face? Doesn't that make your stomach do flip-flops and set off a klaxon in your head? :)


Sounds like your talking about someone who invades your "personal space" or "intimate space". Except it's causing it from the peoples distance in the image.

I don't know what "klaxon" is but the part before it. ( If you got someone to sit in front of you & lean into you ).
Is that the feeling your talking about?

Other than its a alarm when I put it into google.


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