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10 Jun 2005, 6:34 pm

I have heard van Gogh has been considered to have had Bipolar and/or Aspergers. Who knows. He's on the famous people lists for both.


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10 Jun 2005, 9:09 pm

Reasons JC couldn't have been Aspergant

1. Jesus spoke to the multitude. I personally couldn't face the masses.

2. Jesus felt society was worth dieing for. I feel my life is worth living for.

3. Jesus knew ahead of time there was a traitorious thief with in his round table of confidants. I cannot abide liars.

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10 Jun 2005, 9:20 pm

Jesus was not an aspie.

Not everyone is/was an aspie. Same applies for anyone intelligent friendless or famous.



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10 Jun 2005, 10:09 pm

Jesus was not an aspie.



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11 Jun 2005, 7:14 am

Exactly my view.


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11 Jun 2005, 12:55 pm

AntiEverything, I'd love to see that manuscript as well. Hope it will be released one day. *cross fingers*


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12 Jun 2005, 6:57 am

Yay! Hopefully soon.


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13 Jul 2005, 1:27 pm

Jesus Christ is most likely Aspergers with ADHD.
Some of the Apostles were NT's with a mix of sociopaths and NPD
Paul was most likely NPD

In culture:
ADD and Asperger's are the types that keep things dynamic
Sociopaths (Bad term: they often are VERY social) are the structuralists
NPDers are the leaders that spread the word and expect obedience
NT's are the followers

In order for a religion to take off you need:
A Radical starter (ADHD and Asperger's is a VERY radical combo) (Jesus, James, Philip)
A Leader to carry the word (NPD) (Paul, Peter, John,)
A Structured person to design stricture (Matthew, Andrew, John)
and lots of followers (NT's)

IMHO

P.S. If you want to see what NPD and Sociopaths look like...watch Televangelists :)



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13 Jul 2005, 3:14 pm

What's NPD?


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13 Jul 2005, 4:38 pm

*giggles* Oooh trixie! Well, he *did* have a bit of a perseveration on God, and he *did* dominate conversations... what what kind of Aspie has that kind of charisma and social skill? And since when do we understand parables? Not that anyone DOES but... lol!

Based on the fact that had many followers, heard voices, was generally placid save when he flew into a rage in his Father's temple, made a meal for thousands out of a few pieces of fish and bread, turned water into wine, wouldn't stay dead in his tomb, believed he was the son of God and talked non stop about Heaven, I have come to the conclusion that Jesus was a charismatic schizophrenic manic depressive delusional anorexic alcoholic, with ADHD, a superiority complex and high-functioning Aspergers Syndrome!

And yes, I am a Christian! :P


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13 Jul 2005, 6:47 pm

Disillusioned with the work of science, I have begun to gather religious evidence to validate the Autistic existence. People should take note of how the planets spin and that many mythical monuments are on 'ley lines' which line them up perfectly. Spinning worlds and lined up stuff says it all: God endorses Autistic ingenuity.

He must have made his only son Autistic in some way, so let's look at the evidence.

He fed many people with litttle food: This means he must have been a gifted math savant, this feat of division is somewhat uncanny. Some would even argue that he was some how able to divide and then end up with MORE than he started with.

He walked on water: obviously some kind of uber-stim. This can be done by anticipating the water pressure as it pushes against the surface, this kind of precision timing points to an adept visual/spatial processor.

And Jesus understood people very well.

Why is that strange? I still get confused by the unfounded para-observation of Autism being a hinderance to social development, where's the proof? Is it in the many who find they can't socialise well or understand others? Well of course if they have been taught that lesson repeatedly all their lives it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy, that isn't hard to work out.

I easily spot manipulation and dishonesty in others and I find that many Autistics can, but we have only our own suspicions to go on. To get confirmation we must consult others who have been less observant, who tell us that we are wrong and we believe them because all we've ever been told is that if someone else is right, then we must be wrong.

Just to break some myths now that may have contributed towards the doubts cast on the possibility of Jesus being Autistic(I know I'm being a little too serious here):

Jesus can not be Autistic because of his deep understanding of people: false.

We are taught to be criticial and we are good at being critical thinkers, but we are not very good at being critical towards criticism about us. The only reason for this is that every time we try, we are met with emotive and evasive rhetoric that we often can't think of a good answer for until long after the conversation had ended. If people played fair we wouldn't have this problem at all. Some however do manage to develop the kind of vocabulary and anticipation for criticism.

We understand people better than we know but often lack the means to demonstrate it, so when we are repeatedly told how we don't understand things, we believe it because we are told so often. Jesus resembles the kind of Autistic that anticipates criticism and people perverting his words, yet he was still demonstrably baffled by the actions of people sometimes and that was when they lacked greater understanding, not he.

Jesus could not have been Autistic because he spoke to large crowds: false.

Feelings are overwhelming and many different things can stimulate them without our consent, it's often why an Autistic child will react in ways that baffle their parents. Attention from others is one, but there is not one sense that directly provides this stimulation input though; closing your eyes or covering your ears doesn't make it go away but it's a reflex action, the same reflex which makes eye contact painful for many. But like all stimulation, it isn't adversive by default, an Autistic will often seek it out and find it the same way they find their deliberate stims. It's exhausting but rewarding if one can manage it. I took part in a breakdance competition in front of a crowd of hundreds and with just those numbers watching I felt like I had the strength of ten men and performed well. There are Autistics who are actors and like acting, prompted by a lifetime spent pretending to be normal some realise that there are so many different kinds of normal to pretend to be.

It's strange how our traits are not solid but mallable and can be twisted in so many ways.

Jesus is a maybe/maybe not for Autism. But Buddha definately was. The solutions to ending suffering seem very textile in nature and based around perception. There is also a school of thought that Jesus' missing 18 years was accounted for: the three wise men said to have visited him at his birth were actually Buddhists from further eastern Asia and were following a star directing them to a reincarnation of a Llama which they believed to be Jesus. When Jesus was 13 they came back for him and took him to learn Buddhism. The big arguement is over wether Jesus was actually teaching Buddhist philosophies which he incorporated into Judism to create Christianity, or that he found many Buddhist teachings to be the same as Judism anyway, giving him insight into the natural and most basic way morals develop.



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14 Jul 2005, 12:47 am

Lucas wrote:
Disillusioned with the work of science, I have begun to gather religious evidence to validate the Autistic existence. People should take note of how the planets spin and that many mythical monuments are on 'ley lines' which line them up perfectly. Spinning worlds and lined up stuff says it all: God endorses Autistic ingenuity.

He must have made his only son Autistic in some way, so let's look at the evidence.

He fed many people with litttle food: This means he must have been a gifted math savant, this feat of division is somewhat uncanny. Some would even argue that he was some how able to divide and then end up with MORE than he started with.

He walked on water: obviously some kind of uber-stim. This can be done by anticipating the water pressure as it pushes against the surface, this kind of precision timing points to an adept visual/spatial processor.

And Jesus understood people very well.

Why is that strange? I still get confused by the unfounded para-observation of Autism being a hinderance to social development, where's the proof? Is it in the many who find they can't socialise well or understand others? Well of course if they have been taught that lesson repeatedly all their lives it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy, that isn't hard to work out.

I easily spot manipulation and dishonesty in others and I find that many Autistics can, but we have only our own suspicions to go on. To get confirmation we must consult others who have been less observant, who tell us that we are wrong and we believe them because all we've ever been told is that if someone else is right, then we must be wrong.

Just to break some myths now that may have contributed towards the doubts cast on the possibility of Jesus being Autistic(I know I'm being a little too serious here):

Jesus can not be Autistic because of his deep understanding of people: false.

We are taught to be criticial and we are good at being critical thinkers, but we are not very good at being critical towards criticism about us. The only reason for this is that every time we try, we are met with emotive and evasive rhetoric that we often can't think of a good answer for until long after the conversation had ended. If people played fair we wouldn't have this problem at all. Some however do manage to develop the kind of vocabulary and anticipation for criticism.

We understand people better than we know but often lack the means to demonstrate it, so when we are repeatedly told how we don't understand things, we believe it because we are told so often. Jesus resembles the kind of Autistic that anticipates criticism and people perverting his words, yet he was still demonstrably baffled by the actions of people sometimes and that was when they lacked greater understanding, not he.

Jesus could not have been Autistic because he spoke to large crowds: false.

Feelings are overwhelming and many different things can stimulate them without our consent, it's often why an Autistic child will react in ways that baffle their parents. Attention from others is one, but there is not one sense that directly provides this stimulation input though; closing your eyes or covering your ears doesn't make it go away but it's a reflex action, the same reflex which makes eye contact painful for many. But like all stimulation, it isn't adversive by default, an Autistic will often seek it out and find it the same way they find their deliberate stims. It's exhausting but rewarding if one can manage it. I took part in a breakdance competition in front of a crowd of hundreds and with just those numbers watching I felt like I had the strength of ten men and performed well. There are Autistics who are actors and like acting, prompted by a lifetime spent pretending to be normal some realise that there are so many different kinds of normal to pretend to be.

It's strange how our traits are not solid but mallable and can be twisted in so many ways.

Jesus is a maybe/maybe not for Autism. But Buddha definately was. The solutions to ending suffering seem very textile in nature and based around perception. There is also a school of thought that Jesus' missing 18 years was accounted for: the three wise men said to have visited him at his birth were actually Buddhists from further eastern Asia and were following a star directing them to a reincarnation of a Lama which they believed to be Jesus. When Jesus was 13 they came back for him and took him to learn Buddhism. The big arguement is over wether Jesus was actually teaching Buddhist philosophies which he incorporated into Judism to create Christianity, or that he found many Buddhist teachings to be the same as Judism anyway, giving him insight into the natural and most basic way morals develop.

That is an interesting idea and very clever. Only problem is the spellling mistake regarding Llama/Lama. He he he.
Three wise men: 'Come with us. You are an important, near god-like being. We believe that inside your corporal, modern form is the soul of either an ancient leader from Tibet or an annoying camelid.'
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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14 Jul 2005, 6:34 am

No, I remember quite clearly that 'Llama' is spelt with two 'L's, one silent. If I am wrong, I will get in my time machine and go back to the place and time where the word was first used in spelling and change it to make me right.

I can do that. I can do that.



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14 Jul 2005, 10:46 am

Lucas wrote:
No, I remember quite clearly that 'Llama' is spelt with two 'L's, one silent. If I am wrong, I will get in my time machine and go back to the place and time where the word was first used in spelling and change it to make me right.

I can do that. I can do that.

The animal is a llama. The Dalai variety is spelt with one 'l'. I have the Rammstein album Reise Reise as evidence.


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THOUGHT IT WAS THE END.
THOUGHT IT WAS THE 4TH OF JULY.
I WOKE UP AND THEN I REALISED,
I WAS NOT WHAT I HAD ALWAYS TRIED TO EMULATE.
INSTEAD A SHADOW OF FORMER GLORY.
AND THEN I CRIED.