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23 Jun 2012, 11:09 am

I'm another one who understands why someone may be religious, but i don't understand how they can believe something that has no proof. I don't understand how someone can point to the bible as evidence of God. It's a book, writen by people. There's nothing supernatural about it.

Another thing i don't get is why people seem to be obsessed with sex. I understand it has to do with hormones and stuff, but people chasing after other people hoping to 'get some' seems just weird to me.


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Religion is a big one. While I do accept that other people choose to have religion and there are many social reasons why people opt towards this path, many of them seeming "cultish" from my point of view, I don't understand how those who are religious tend to be completely and utterly resolute in their belief when questioned about it or given a different viewpoint, especially given the fact they can't back it up with facts at all. This is especially true when they very obviously behave in a manner that would label them as "sinners" when they're believe isn't being questioned by others. I've come to figure that one must just smile and nod in order to avoid conflict, though I'll usually listen to people's arguments defending religion if they actually explain it instead of jumping right over to calling me a "heathen" or starting up the circular logic train. Grounding your kid for a month to "punish" them for "talking back" when it comes to the kid questioning the legitimacy of religion doesn't get your idea across very well either.

Giving feelings to colors is a big one too. I understand that visual inputs can cause a mental reaction, which may be emotional, but when I hear people talking about "color health" or eating particular colors to improve their mood, I can't help but start wondering if maybe they think they're just trying to gain some form of "spiritual profoundness" bull. This mainly just makes me realize what the target audiences for "As Seen on TV" products are.

I hate the general setup for job interviews as well. I've had 2 job interviews so far and both of them I didn't get path the point of "thanks for coming in". I personally find it completely ridiculous that your whole chance of a job teeters on quickly and confidentially answering topics like "Describe a time where you worked in a group" or "Describe a time where you had a friend with a difficult problem that you had to fix", but this world apparently revolves around the importance of being able to function in that manner and not how good you'd be at actually performing a task.

It seems like the pursuit of sexual needs is "hard wired" into most people, though I guess humans wouldn't have survived otherwise for so long if it wasn't like emotional crack. I have a friend who is diagnosed and severely bipolar and always complaining about his lack of female companionship and lack of spending time with friends, but I always end up upsetting him since I am the only one who actually responds to him online when he's depressed and I end up making him more upset since I tell him I don't understand his need for so much human contact considering he spends time with friends 1-2 times a week for hours on end and that if he desires it so much to make it happen instead of whining. This usually doesn't go very well, since he very quickly starts ranting that he's so f****d up and weird since he actually wants to be around people. He does this every few days, and the only reason I continue responding is because I'm hoping he'll actually accept what I say, though every time he complains I get closer to just being completely blunt and telling him "Shut up, shower more, brush your damn teeth, stop being so overbearing, take your meds, and stop making remarks about the niceness of my butt during our Pathrunner games (especially in front of my boyfriend).

True, that friend seems to be at the polar opposite side of things (or should I say BI-polar opposite side of things, hehe), but at the same time he ends up putting out a bunch of the irritations that are far more subtle in the normal person in a manner in which a brick to the head would be less obvious and irritating. I also know I should be a bit more understanding, and many of my things I complained about are just not within reason to expect from him on a whim, just one his instances of being loud and excitable ends up equating in the same amount of stress I'd get from an hour in Walmart during Black Friday.


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23 Jun 2012, 12:30 pm

I never understood why a "proper" table setting had the fork on the left side when most people are right handed!



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23 Jun 2012, 12:52 pm

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That goes with how Satanism is a type of atheism because the devil is a christian belief.


I don't understand what you're trying to say. Could you elaborate/clarify?


Satanists claim not to believe in god/satan or an afterlife, so they're considered to be atheists.


Why would they be called satanists (and call themselves that) if they did not worship satan and have a large set of beliefs, which would automatically rule out them being athiests?



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23 Jun 2012, 1:14 pm

Venger wrote:
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That goes with how Satanism is a type of atheism because the devil is a christian belief.


I don't understand what you're trying to say. Could you elaborate/clarify?


Satanists claim not to believe in god/satan or an afterlife, so they're considered to be atheists.

Even though Wikipedia isn't exactly the most golden source, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism says that there are many different forms of Satanism, both theistic and atheistic.


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23 Jun 2012, 2:04 pm

Atomsk wrote:
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That goes with how Satanism is a type of atheism because the devil is a christian belief.


I don't understand what you're trying to say. Could you elaborate/clarify?


Satanists claim not to believe in god/satan or an afterlife, so they're considered to be atheists.


Why would they be called satanists (and call themselves that) if they did not worship satan and have a large set of beliefs, which would automatically rule out them being athiests?


Most satanists are LaVeyan Satanists which are atheists. Satan is a euphemism they use to be against christianity and their beliefs.



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23 Jun 2012, 3:41 pm

I didn't know this thread was aimed at religeon.


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23 Jun 2012, 3:45 pm

It was the first subject that came up in the thread.



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23 Jun 2012, 3:55 pm

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Religion - and I mean no offense to any religious people here, at all - I don't care if people believe in them or not (in one of my bands I'm the only atheist/apatheist among a bunch of christians but we get along just fine). I just don't get why so many believe in them - without evidence. I remember as a child asking my mother questions like "who created god?" or "what if there is no god?" or any number of similar questions - I got no answer, just slaps, often accompanied by "Devils come out! Devils come out!"



That goes with how Satanism is a type of atheism because the devil is a christian belief.


Atheism is the belief that no entities exist. At all. We believe and rely solely in science.

Satanism is thought of as a product of an entity.
If there was no belief in God, there would be no belief in Satan.



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23 Jun 2012, 3:59 pm

The ability to break out in "play" as adults, such as teasing, roughhousing, group activities and games on the fly, etc

I don't understand how they can switch from playing to being serious in a moment, or vice versa. Nor how they know other people's boundaries, such as how not to anger or annoy anyone through the play, especially if it involves physical contact. Also how they know how and when it is acceptable to break the rules, and when it is not. It leaves me feeling left out because of being too slow to pick up on these things.


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23 Jun 2012, 4:03 pm

Jasmine90 wrote:
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Religion - and I mean no offense to any religious people here, at all - I don't care if people believe in them or not (in one of my bands I'm the only atheist/apatheist among a bunch of christians but we get along just fine). I just don't get why so many believe in them - without evidence. I remember as a child asking my mother questions like "who created god?" or "what if there is no god?" or any number of similar questions - I got no answer, just slaps, often accompanied by "Devils come out! Devils come out!"



That goes with how Satanism is a type of atheism because the devil is a christian belief.


Atheism is the belief that no entities exist. At all. We believe and rely solely in science.

Satanism is thought of as a product of an entity.
If there was no belief in God, there would be no belief in Satan.


Yep you got it. Satanists don't believe in God or Satan since both are christian beliefs.



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23 Jun 2012, 4:10 pm

I don't really understand why people don't use logic to determine whether something is true. They depend on their feelings--whether it feels true--first, and then they seem to go for the logic. I understand why; it's because emotion lets you make a quicker decision when you've got a saber-toothed tiger breathing down your neck. But when you have time to think, why do you still use emotion?


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23 Jun 2012, 4:15 pm

Venger wrote:
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Religion - and I mean no offense to any religious people here, at all - I don't care if people believe in them or not (in one of my bands I'm the only atheist/apatheist among a bunch of christians but we get along just fine). I just don't get why so many believe in them - without evidence. I remember as a child asking my mother questions like "who created god?" or "what if there is no god?" or any number of similar questions - I got no answer, just slaps, often accompanied by "Devils come out! Devils come out!"



That goes with how Satanism is a type of atheism because the devil is a christian belief.


Atheism is the belief that no entities exist. At all. We believe and rely solely in science.

Satanism is thought of as a product of an entity.
If there was no belief in God, there would be no belief in Satan.


Yep you got it. Satanists don't believe in God or Satan since both are christian beliefs.


So why are they considered Satanists if they don't believe in Satan? Or are people who simply follow no religion, Satanists in the eyes of religious people? If so, then Satanism is still a part of religion. :?



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23 Jun 2012, 4:16 pm

I truly do not mean to typecast here, but I've noticed NTs can abide by the illogical and flawed motto "I call it like I see it."

From my experience, "I call it like I see it" can be downright dangerous. It implies shallow judgment without thought or understanding underlying factors.


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23 Jun 2012, 4:19 pm

I notice that people, particularly during the small talk stage, derive meaning and connection from the most trivial coincidences. For example:

Me: I'm from Montana.
Other person: No way! My cousin's aunt is from Montana! (feels more connected to me) She breeds hamsters. Do you have a hamster?
Me: I used to...
Other person: (yay! This could be a new friend!)

I don't get it, and much to my detriment. I'd much rather talk about much more important things from the get go. If we're going to talk similarities, can't we at least talk about more interesting stuff like music we like, trips we've been on, what we like to do, etc?


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23 Jun 2012, 4:29 pm

Jasmine90 wrote:
Venger wrote:
Jasmine90 wrote:
Venger wrote:
Atomsk wrote:
Religion - and I mean no offense to any religious people here, at all - I don't care if people believe in them or not (in one of my bands I'm the only atheist/apatheist among a bunch of christians but we get along just fine). I just don't get why so many believe in them - without evidence. I remember as a child asking my mother questions like "who created god?" or "what if there is no god?" or any number of similar questions - I got no answer, just slaps, often accompanied by "Devils come out! Devils come out!"



That goes with how Satanism is a type of atheism because the devil is a christian belief.


Atheism is the belief that no entities exist. At all. We believe and rely solely in science.

Satanism is thought of as a product of an entity.
If there was no belief in God, there would be no belief in Satan.


Yep you got it. Satanists don't believe in God or Satan since both are christian beliefs.


So why are they considered Satanists if they don't believe in Satan? Or are people who simply follow no religion, Satanists in the eyes of religious people? If so, then Satanism is still a part of religion. :?


It's an atheist religion that's devoted to being against christianity.

The funny part is that christianity is usually the main religion regular atheists target for their disbelief as well. :roll: