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10 Jul 2012, 4:53 am

I just scanned through this thread noting the posted scores. The avg. IQ for the 39 posted scores is about 125. Pretty smart bunch we have here on WP considering the avg. for the general population is 100. In fact, WPers are above the norm for college professors.



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10 Jul 2012, 4:59 am

Functional: would be about 60
Ideal: would be about 140

Functional: out and about around people, in "their" world
Ideal: taken when alone (no sensory stuff) and not stressed

(Shows you how much the symptoms of an ASD can affect one's ability.)



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10 Jul 2012, 5:33 am

Rascal77s wrote:
I just scanned through this thread noting the posted scores. The avg. IQ for the 39 posted scores is about 125. Pretty smart bunch we have here on WP considering the avg. for the general population is 100. In fact, WPers are above the norm for college professors.

This comment sparked my curiousity, and I felt the urge to post the following. (this is not an attempt to argue about the validity of IQ tests again, Rascal77, been there done that, we don't agree :lol: )

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IQ in different fields:
  • 130.0 Physics
  • 129.0 Mathematics
  • 128.5 Computer Science
  • 128.0 Economics
  • 127.5 Chemical engineering
  • 127.0 Material science
  • 126.0 Electrical engineering
  • 125.5 Mechanical engineering
  • 125.0 Philosophy
  • 124.0 Chemistry
  • 123.0 Earth sciences
  • 122.0 Industrial engineering
  • 122.0 Civil engineering
  • 121.5 Biology
  • 120.1 English/literature
  • 120.0 Religion/theology
  • 119.8 Political science
  • 119.7 History
  • 118.0 Art history
  • 117.7 Anthropology/archeology
  • 116.5 Architecture
  • 116.0 Business
  • 115.0 Sociology
  • 114.0 Psychology
  • 114.0 Medicine
  • 112.0 Communication
  • 109.0 Education
  • 106.0 Public administration
(source: http://motls.blogspot.no/2006/03/iq-in- ... ields.html )


9 of the top 10 has little/nothing to do with human interaction (detailed case to case examples could be made to argue the opposite of course, but I'm not here to argue semantics), all except philosophy. Logic is a stronger attribute of those with deficit skills in social interaction, mostly. Same as with a blind person having to rely more on other senses, and therefore have developed a greater knowledge of how to use them to cope. Members on WP having higher IQ than the norm is no more surprising to me than a blind man having very good hearing or sense of touch.

Edit: As a sidenote, at first glance it is depressing to see how low Medicine and Education came out, but on second thought they do have to excel in communication to do their jobs.


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10 Jul 2012, 5:59 am

here's another list I found just collecting dust on the internet

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It has been observed that the average IQ score of occupational groups is almost the same.
  • 140 - Top Civil Servants; Professors and Research Scientists.
  • 130 - Physicians, Surgeons, Lawyers, Engineers
  • 120 - School Teachers, Pharmacists, Accountants, Nurses, Stenographers, Managers.
  • 110 - Foremen, Clerks, Telephone Operators, Salesmen, Policemen, Electricians.
  • 100 plus - Machine Operators, Shopkeepers, Butchers, Welders, Sheet Metal Workers.
  • Below 100 - Warehouse-men, Carpenters, Cooks, Bakers, Small Farmers, Truck and Van Drivers.
  • 90 - Laborers, Gardeners, Miners, Factory Packers and Sorters.
( source: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/average-iq-score.html )

According to these numbers, the average IQ of the field I could have worked in (had I worked somewhere I could utilize my education), is around 128.5 to 130. But like with all averages, there can be highs and lows.

I also found this nice little bit of information on the same webpage:
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Intelligence does not mean being knowledgeable. IQ score is just a rough measure of academic intelligence. Finding IQ not as high as hoped, should not be considered as an alarming situation. No one should be discouraged on this basis. There are many elements besides IQ which contribute to success and happiness.

If you define "academic intelligence" as "how good you are at taking tests" then thats what IQ is.


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10 Jul 2012, 6:05 am

Blownmind wrote:
[*]130 - Physicians, Surgeons, Lawyers, Engineers


I couldn't imagine myself doing any of those things but I have had someone online ask me if I was an engineer because of my overly detailed chart for the stalk market in Animal Crossing. In that game you can buy and sell turnips for income and the sell price goes up and down throughout the week. It's supposed to be like the stock market but with turnips.

I've felt my iq never did me any good in my life. I think I just test well because I like to read.



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10 Jul 2012, 6:14 am

Blownmind wrote:
Rascal77s wrote:
I just scanned through this thread noting the posted scores. The avg. IQ for the 39 posted scores is about 125. Pretty smart bunch we have here on WP considering the avg. for the general population is 100. In fact, WPers are above the norm for college professors.

This comment sparked my curiousity, and I felt the urge to post the following. (this is not an attempt to argue about the validity of IQ tests again, Rascal77, been there done that, we don't agree :lol: )

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IQ in different fields:
  • 130.0 Physics
  • 129.0 Mathematics
  • 128.5 Computer Science
  • 128.0 Economics
  • 127.5 Chemical engineering
  • 127.0 Material science
  • 126.0 Electrical engineering
  • 125.5 Mechanical engineering
  • 125.0 Philosophy
  • 124.0 Chemistry
  • 123.0 Earth sciences
  • 122.0 Industrial engineering
  • 122.0 Civil engineering
  • 121.5 Biology
  • 120.1 English/literature
  • 120.0 Religion/theology
  • 119.8 Political science
  • 119.7 History
  • 118.0 Art history
  • 117.7 Anthropology/archeology
  • 116.5 Architecture
  • 116.0 Business
  • 115.0 Sociology
  • 114.0 Psychology
  • 114.0 Medicine
  • 112.0 Communication
  • 109.0 Education
  • 106.0 Public administration
(source: http://motls.blogspot.no/2006/03/iq-in- ... ields.html )


9 of the top 10 has little/nothing to do with human interaction (detailed case to case examples could be made to argue the opposite of course, but I'm not here to argue semantics), all except philosophy. Logic is a stronger attribute of those with deficit skills in social interaction, mostly. Same as with a blind person having to rely more on other senses, and therefore have developed a greater knowledge of how to use them to cope. Members on WP having higher IQ than the norm is no more surprising to me than a blind man having very good hearing or sense of touch.

Edit: As a sidenote, at first glance it is depressing to see how low Medicine and Education came out, but on second thought they do have to excel in communication to do their jobs.


You keep saying you're not here to argue then you post a table of GRE scores converted to IQ on a blog that uses another bloggers unknown algorithm. The blogger himself states that he questions the validity of the conversion. It doesn't surprise you that the scores are higher on WP because you trust self reports from online tests. I go by real peer reviewed studies that consistently show AS FSIQ scores to be slightly below the general population norm and are often clinically uninterpretable because of scatter. The reason we disagree is because you choose speculation while I chose facts. I remember the details of our past discussions, I tried to educate you and finally gave up. I'll give it one more shot since I'm already here. Ready?

FSIQ means nothing, subtest scores mean everything.



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10 Jul 2012, 6:15 am

I was never told my subtest scores so I have no idea what they were.

My iq isn't from some online test. It's from actually getting tested when I was in school.



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10 Jul 2012, 6:33 am

Rascal77s wrote:
scores converted to IQ on a blog that uses another bloggers unknown algorithm. The blogger himself states that he questions the validity of the conversion.

Question the source all you like, if you are lucky there are a comment section there for it. :) I did mention another source aswell in the very next post only minutes later, incase you didn't notice. I linked to the source so you are able to verify/question the information. You don't trust the source, thats your prerogative.

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It doesn't surprise you that the scores are higher on WP because you trust self reports from online tests.

Thats not at all what I said. :) If you are getting at that I shouldn't trust the self reports of WP members, then I would leave the flaming of that statement to other members of WP. You better take cover! ;)
You don't trust the source(reports from WP members), and again thats your prerogative.

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I tried to educate you and finally gave up. I'll give it one more shot since I'm already here. Ready?

FSIQ means nothing, subtest scores mean everything.

Thats part of the problem, isn't it? You try to educate me, not discuss it.
WAIS isn't everything, there are other IQ tests. Our concepts of reality differs too much for us to meet anywhere in the middle, it seems.


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10 Jul 2012, 6:55 am

Blownmind wrote:
Rascal77s wrote:
scores converted to IQ on a blog that uses another bloggers unknown algorithm. The blogger himself states that he questions the validity of the conversion.

Question the source all you like, if you are lucky there are a comment section there for it. :) I did mention another source aswell in the very next post only minutes later, incase you didn't notice. I linked to the source so you are able to verify/question the information. You don't trust the source, thats your prerogative.


Do you just not understand that your own source openly questions the validity of the numbers? :lol:

The next table you posted not only contradicts the 1st table you posted but it's not even statistically valid in relation to IQ norm data.

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Rascal77s wrote:
It doesn't surprise you that the scores are higher on WP because you trust self reports from online tests.

Thats not at all what I said. :) If you are getting at that I shouldn't trust the self reports of WP members, then I would leave the flaming of that statement to other members of WP. You better take cover! ;)
You don't trust the source(reports from WP members), and again thats your prerogative.


Yeah OK let the flaming begin :roll:

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I tried to educate you and finally gave up. I'll give it one more shot since I'm already here. Ready?

FSIQ means nothing, subtest scores mean everything.

Thats part of the problem, isn't it? You try to educate me, not discuss it.
WAIS isn't everything, there are other IQ tests. Our concepts of reality differs too much for us to meet anywhere in the middle, it seems.


I think you're right, my concept of reality is based on reality.



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10 Jul 2012, 7:09 am

Rascal77s, you kind of missed the point of my post, which is common among us Aspergians, so I don't blame you. Focusing on details instead of the theme of a conversation. I have done the same many, many times.

Blownmind wrote:
I'm not here to argue semantics
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Same as with a blind person having to rely more on other senses, and therefore have developed a greater knowledge of how to use them to cope. Members on WP having higher IQ than the norm is no more surprising to me than a blind man having very good hearing or sense of touch.

To sum up what I meant; It's only logical that the brain of socially awkward people compensate in other areas, and therefore excels on tests not messuring their deficits.


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10 Jul 2012, 7:10 am

O,

I actually got a perfect score in grade 5 for the gifted program*: 160 (I say perfect as that's the maximum the test went up to).

I call that an outlier though, as that year I was functioning super awesome (I've been tested several times over the years at school and by professionals).

*I was kicked out because I didn't listen.



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10 Jul 2012, 8:40 am

i can rapidly adapt (cognitively) to the presentation of situational specifications that i am required to achieve.

IQ is variable. almost everyone is very unintelligent when they are asleep, but almost everyone is at their best when faced with the obligation of deciding a course of action to prevent disaster.



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10 Jul 2012, 9:15 am

110 IQ on that test - average as suspected..


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10 Jul 2012, 9:31 am

bizboy1 wrote:
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Where online can I find a good free iq test with no strings attached?


I like this one:

http://www.iqtest.dk/main.swf

I retook it and maxed out at 133. I was dissociated at the time and didn't have the brain power to solve the checkered one. Although I'm pretty sure if I was sober I could do it. I feel like I missed a couple questions because I find patterns they aren't looking for.


I got 122 on this test. I have never taken a formal IQ test. Are there any other online IQ tests that anyone recommends?



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10 Jul 2012, 2:27 pm

Blownmind wrote:
Rascal77s, you kind of missed the point of my post, which is common among us Aspergians, so I don't blame you. Focusing on details instead of the theme of a conversation. I have done the same many, many times.
Blownmind wrote:
I'm not here to argue semantics
(...)
Same as with a blind person having to rely more on other senses, and therefore have developed a greater knowledge of how to use them to cope. Members on WP having higher IQ than the norm is no more surprising to me than a blind man having very good hearing or sense of touch.

To sum up what I meant; It's only logical that the brain of socially awkward people compensate in other areas, and therefore excels on tests not messuring their deficits.


So now you're telling me I'm incapable of understanding your point because I have AS. I expect this kind of crap from ignorant NTs, not from WPers.

I'm not focusing on details, I'm focused on you posting false and contradictory information. You just keep this in mind; The BS inflated online 'IQ test' scores that are posted in this thread and others only serve to make some of the people on this forum feel inferior. So does your claim that people who are HFA/AS have a significantly higher IQ than the general population when established scientific evidence points to the contrary. This isn't an AS forum, this is an ASD forum and there are LFA as well as HFA people reading these "my IQ is bigger than your IQ" threads. The sad thing is, as Callista has eloquently pointed out 27 times over the years on this forum, IQ scores are often meaningless for people on the spectrum.

Please feel free to continue your mental masturbation, just don't involve me in it anymore. Thanks :)



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10 Jul 2012, 2:51 pm

Rascal77s wrote:
Blownmind wrote:
Rascal77s, you kind of missed the point of my post, which is common among us Aspergians, so I don't blame you. Focusing on details instead of the theme of a conversation. I have done the same many, many times.
Blownmind wrote:
I'm not here to argue semantics
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Same as with a blind person having to rely more on other senses, and therefore have developed a greater knowledge of how to use them to cope. Members on WP having higher IQ than the norm is no more surprising to me than a blind man having very good hearing or sense of touch.

To sum up what I meant; It's only logical that the brain of socially awkward people compensate in other areas, and therefore excels on tests not messuring their deficits.


(1)So now you're telling me I'm incapable of understanding your point because I have AS. I expect this kind of crap from (10)ignorant NTs, not from WPers.

(2)I'm not focusing on details, I'm focused on (3)you posting false and (4)contradictory information. You just keep this in mind; (5)The BS inflated online 'IQ test' scores that are posted in this thread and others only (6)serve to make some of the people on this forum feel inferior. (7)So does your claim that people who are HFA/AS have a significantly higher IQ than the general population when (8)established scientific evidence points to the contrary. This isn't an AS forum, this is an ASD forum and there are LFA as well as HFA people reading these "my IQ is bigger than your IQ" threads. The sad thing is, as Callista has eloquently pointed out 27 times over the years on this forum, IQ scores are often meaningless for people on the spectrum.

(9)Please feel free to continue your mental masturbation, just don't involve me in it anymore. Thanks :)

(1) Read it as you prefer, I didn't mean it like that.
(2) To me it seems that way, I end up having to defend details of a post.
(3) It's not false information when I give you a clear link to the source where, like you said yourself, the author is not sure if it is accurate. It's an actual quote from a real website.
(4) Yes, the list were not the same, everyone can see that. I don't see anything wrong with that.
(5) There you go calling what WP members post "BS", saying that only serves to insult people.
(6) No one can control how people feel, and if discussing IQ in a thread about IQ is insulting, then you should take it up with the moderators and get them to supervise those thread to be sure no one will be insulted from high/low IQ scores. I stand by what I said, our concepts of reality differs too much for us to meet anywhere in the middle.
(7) What claim? I said it wouldn't surprise me.
(8 ) I believe you are still talking about WAIS, there are other IQ scoring methods which does not messure AS deficiencies as well as WAIS, which I also mention earlier in this thread.
(9) You might get a kick out of doing this, but like I said from the get-go, I don't want to argue with you, but you seem to have pulled me into your web.
(10) I almost missed this one, you just insulted all neurotypicals. ...hypocrisy.

I wish I could do what you ask, not involve you, and I did try. I will leave you to your reality now.

edit: (see what I did there? focused on details :D )


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