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21 Jul 2012, 6:19 am

There is a possibility that the killer James Holmes may have been suffering from AS.if the society had been more understanding and compassionate perhaps he might not have committed this horrific crime.I am certainly not justifying what Holmes did but a little tolerance for people who are different can save society a lot of anguish.



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21 Jul 2012, 6:23 am

Same with wars >.<



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21 Jul 2012, 6:27 am

I find that conclusion dubious. I doubt Holmes was autistic, or at least was only autistic.



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21 Jul 2012, 6:49 am

Society is not to blame for the actions of this degenerate. If anyone's to blame, it's the perpetrator, himself, for failing to acknowledge his problems and seeking help in order to resolve his apparent issues.



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21 Jul 2012, 7:06 am

This is not the result of the lack of anyone's large heart. It's the result of the lack of someone's moral compass and respect for life. It would be one thing to target one's oppressors. But to randomly murder innocent people is the sign of a morally decrepit monster. No excuses. No reasons. No rationalizations. Innocent lives were destroyed. To lay the blame on anyone but the perp himself is wrong.



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21 Jul 2012, 7:09 am

TwistedReflection wrote:
Society is not to blame for the actions of this degenerate. If anyone's to blame, it's the perpetrator, himself, for failing to acknowledge his problems and seeking help in order to resolve his apparent issues.


I would argue this interpretation. I'll try to remember to come back to it later after I've slept.



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21 Jul 2012, 7:13 am

I believe that when you put all blame on a killer in a situation like this you try and count out your own sins like they didn't matter for the killing and it was just the one man, not you.



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21 Jul 2012, 7:19 am

Believe me, there are many, many people on the spectrum who would never go stomping off to a movie theater and shoot a baby in the back like the absolute piece of filth this s.o.b. is.


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This is not the result of the lack of anyone's large heart. It's the result of the lack of someone's moral compass and respect for life. It would be one thing to target one's oppressors. But to randomly murder innocent people is the sign of a morally decrepit monster. No excuses. No reasons. No rationalizations. Innocent lives were destroyed. To lay the blame on anyone but the perp himself is wrong.


I agree.


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21 Jul 2012, 7:29 am

Verdandi wrote:
TwistedReflection wrote:
Society is not to blame for the actions of this degenerate. If anyone's to blame, it's the perpetrator, himself, for failing to acknowledge his problems and seeking help in order to resolve his apparent issues.


I would argue this interpretation. I'll try to remember to come back to it later after I've slept.


It's good to see you, too, Verdandi :wink:

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This is not the result of the lack of anyone's large heart. It's the result of the lack of someone's moral compass and respect for life. It would be one thing to target one's oppressors. But to randomly murder innocent people is the sign of a morally decrepit monster. No excuses. No reasons. No rationalizations. Innocent lives were destroyed. To lay the blame on anyone but the perp himself is wrong.


Very well said. Whether he has AS or not is irrelevant; he murdered innocents in cold-blood and revelled in each execution, a trait of any common psychopath. That's the only area of this deviant's psychological profile that investigators should be concerned with.



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21 Jul 2012, 8:39 am

survivor wrote:
There is a possibility that the killer James Holmes may have been suffering from AS.


You mean ASPD.



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21 Jul 2012, 9:35 am

Holy cow, than how about all those who don't fit any disorder criteria?



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21 Jul 2012, 9:37 am

survivor wrote:
There is a possibility that the killer James Holmes may have been suffering from AS.if the society had been more understanding and compassionate perhaps he might not have committed this horrific crime.I am certainly not justifying what Holmes did but a little tolerance for people who are different can save society a lot of anguish.


I cannot find any mention of him having AS. Could you point me to it? All I see is references to him being shy and smart.



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21 Jul 2012, 10:30 am

I don't care how hard your life is, you can't blame anyone else for a murderous rampage other than the person who does it. Even if he did have Aspergers, which it doesn't seem he did, that's no excuse. Having a disorder doesn't mean you get to play the victim all the time and blame everyone else in the world for not adapting to you.



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21 Jul 2012, 10:35 am

Whether the man had mental problems or not is irrelevant. If you have mental issues that are pushing you towards actually carrying out violent acts, you need to seek help. If you are incapable of seeking help on your own, family, friends, co-workers, neighbors, and anyone else who knows you and knows you are having serious violence/mental health issues has a responsibility to see that you get help, so you don't hurt anyone, including yourself.

However, society in general is not responsible for a violent person's outbursts. The one most responsible is the one who has the violent outbursts. After all if you can't handle booze, don't drink. If you can't handle your violent emotions and urges on your own get help. DUH!! !

I am part of society--granted, as an Aspie misfit, but still part of society. I bear no responsibility for what this monster did. I did not know him, I never did anything to him, I didn't give him any weapons or ammo, and I didn't urge him on to kill people. So, don't go dumping his monstrous actions on society!

I am qualified to make these comments. I was bullied and tormented mercilessly as a child. I wished my tormentors were dead, or hurt, but there is a big difference between wishing such a thing, and actually seriously wanting to carry out those wishes. Even back then, what I wanted most was that my tormentors would be punished, so that I would have justice, and that they would never torment me again, and that they be far away, if necessary to prevent them from tormenting me any more. The fact that I wanted justice over them being dead is proof enough to me that I am not a psycho or a sociopath.

There is no excuse for what this monster did! He was not defending himself, he was on a sick hunting trip--and innocent people were his prey! :evil:



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21 Jul 2012, 11:21 am

LadybugS wrote:
Believe me, there are many, many people on the spectrum who would never go stomping off to a movie theater and shoot a baby in the back like the absolute piece of filth this s.o.b. is.


InThisTogether wrote:
This is not the result of the lack of anyone's large heart. It's the result of the lack of someone's moral compass and respect for life. It would be one thing to target one's oppressors. But to randomly murder innocent people is the sign of a morally decrepit monster. No excuses. No reasons. No rationalizations. Innocent lives were destroyed. To lay the blame on anyone but the perp himself is wrong.


I agree.


Agreed in both accounts.



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21 Jul 2012, 3:32 pm

thedaywalker wrote:
I believe that when you put all blame on a killer in a situation like this you try and count out your own sins like they didn't matter for the killing and it was just the one man, not you.


Just not true.


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