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19 Jul 2012, 8:30 pm

Dear Rascal77s, please go and read the 'moderator attention' thread in WromngPlanet.net discussion forum for proper reporting instructions. your inflammatory in-thread 'report' was pointless as it was likely to be missed by the moderators, and it was likely to incite a flame war. thank you. Sincerely, a moderator


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20 Jul 2012, 6:44 am

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Nobody else finds this a bit dehumanizing? If he's being annoying and completely oblivious that's one thing. But in terms of what he said... it would be a problem with your friends for not being interested in inherently interesting stuff(I speak theoretically here). Don't talk about him as if he were some child so much to the point where you don't show any concern for /his/ feelings. I find that a bit offensive, actually. You say he is not getting the message but this is true for your friends also, they simply aren't being receptive enough. Now it goes without saying that he probably isn't the best at sharing things in a palatable manner... but if you yourself possess an ASD then you should be more understanding of why that is. Honestly I'm thinking this isn't so much a problem with him(I could be wrong, I haven't seen more than 2 sentences written from him), but more with some sort of 'quiet' superiority issue you and your friends are experiencing. It's funny how it's always people with some sort of disorder(I have plenty, calm down) that are so quick to take advantage of situations where power over something is within reach. You just can't talk about other people like this.


A kinda agree.
What exactly is the problem?

The two girls are seeking fame by presenting themselves as sexy dorks- pretty girls with aspergers and geeky aspergian interests.

( a rather cool concept actually).

The point of which is to create community and make aspieness cool.

And what you get?

You succeeded!

And now you attract the attention of dorky people who also want to share thier dorky interests.

What did you expect would happen?

You got exactly what you asked for it sounds like to me.

Not sayin' you shouldnt block him or something- its complicated- but he is just annoying- it doesnt sound he is actually threatening.

But should figure out some way to accomidate people like him (part of the price of fame as someone posted above).



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20 Jul 2012, 3:18 pm

Why not just make it so you moderate your comments? Then every comment has to be approved. Never approve his - delete them and they are gone from your channel. After his comments are not approved for x amount of time he is sure to move on.

But more than anything - just ignore him. From the sounds of him he is just annoying... there are plenty of annoying people out there. I personally don't mind annoying so much as I do derogatory or mean spirited....

I agree - you have a "fan club" you gotta put up with the good as well as the bad...



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20 Jul 2012, 3:54 pm

well they could block so that he cant comment but he could create another account so I really dont know what they can do but that would be your best bet.


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21 Jul 2012, 10:47 am

I wanted to respond to several comments here but decided to just respond to the OP.

First, I think you need to find out his personal situation before you can judge him. He might be looking for a girl with his interests who is an Aspie, but be frustrated because he can't find any. I think this is the most likely scenario. If that's the case, I think that the best solution would be to not block him outright, but tell him that the frequency of his comments is inappropriate and, as you have tried to explain, they just aren't interested.

I think you are scared of another [edit: name removed by moderator] scenario. However, this guy's interests and motives seem a lot more healthy and intelligent, unlike with [edit: name removed by moderator]. I spoke to his mom yesterday and she said that he's just not right in the head right now. He is clearly fixated on drugs, crime, video games, and girls who have at least some interest in his interests.

So I think that the girls should try to convey to him directly as to what their interests are. However, I think the aspie community thing is legitimate and I don't see why they can't give it a shot. His tendency to leave comments might be obsessive but it might also be a routine, as well as a desperate attempt to initiate conversation without really knowing how. Stalking is a common thing with AS and is often not intentional but unfortunately ends up resulting from a lack of companionship as well as fixation on people, which is not necessarily sexual but is more of a style of interacting. If your friend wants others to understand her people fixations, she should give the same understanding to someone who tries to interact with her in a similar way.

P.S. I've looked at the channel of who I think you're talking about and I couldn't find any comments along the lines of what you have mentioned. So now I'm really confused as to who this is.


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21 Jul 2012, 4:23 pm

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21 Jul 2012, 7:16 pm

Sounds like stalking to me. I would keep blocking and keep on blocking him if he keeps on contacting me. That is what I would do if I were them. They could start being nasty to him hoping he will leave them alone because "they are so mean" to him but he may not get the hint or not care because he is too obsessed with them. I have tried it with my online stalker I had and he still kept on coming and play the victim and act like he is doing nothing wrong. Plus he would also gaslight. Does it need to be done with intent for it to be gas lighting? What if someone was not aware of their behavior so they truly thought they were victim so they act like the person is the bad guy, not them. Would it still be gaslighting?


Cathy and Megan may have to disable their youtube comments. I would also just keep deleting the messages if they were off topic, I see it as spam.


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21 Jul 2012, 10:04 pm

I really appreciate everyone's input here as it has given me some insight on how to possibly deal with similar situations in the future if one arises...which I know they will as I am someone who works directly with people on the spectrum.

As suspected, he has good intentions, but poor communication skills. The trick is to break appropriate and inappropriate social behaviours down as much as possible, as well as clearly state how people feel, what people expect of him when he comments, and potential consequences for not doing so (people will become frustrated or you will be banned). He is finally understanding how they feel about his comments, and now he has promised to make less of them, directing his focus on other videos of interest.

Like most people I know on the spectrum I know, he approaches social situations on a purely logical basis. He has questioned why a particular commenter also commented on Cathy's video in Spanish, accompanied by a translation, but he couldn't do so for one of the languages he was interested in. I told him that this is sort of like a "test" to see if the person in the video might find this intriguing. I've established a rule for him: if the person in the video does not directly respond to your interest (i.e. leaves a comment that says: I think it's neat that you speak Spanish) that this person is not someone you talk about this interest with.

As her mentor, I have also coached Cathy on how to handle this situation if it ever becomes problematic for her again. I know that she gets frustrated easily with others who are more impaired than her, as she has difficulty understanding other's intentions. I broke down the reasons for his behaviour and the things she can do to redirect him without getting frustrated or being too vague that he won't understand her.

I have also sent Megan a PM about the guy and explained the situation. She is having a bit of trouble handling him, so I have offered to help her out.

Mathgirl: I was worried originally at first about the guy possibly having similar tendencies as [edit: name removed by moderator], but upon breaking down the situation with him and these girls with him in detail, I was able to get a better sense of what his true motivations are. I now feel very comfortable coaching him with through this situation, as well as other ones that may arise for him.


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21 Jul 2012, 10:21 pm

anneurysm wrote:
I really appreciate everyone's input here as it has given me some insight on how to possibly deal with similar situations in the future if one arises...which I know they will as I am someone who works directly with people on the spectrum.

As suspected, he has good intentions, but poor communication skills. The trick is to break appropriate and inappropriate social behaviours down as much as possible, as well as clearly state how people feel, what people expect of him when he comments, and potential consequences for not doing so (people will become frustrated or you will be banned). He is finally understanding how they feel about his comments, and now he has promised to make less of them, directing his focus on other videos of interest.

Like most people I know on the spectrum I know, he approaches social situations on a purely logical basis. He has questioned why a particular commenter also commented on Cathy's video in Spanish, accompanied by a translation, but he couldn't do so for one of the languages he was interested in. I told him that this is sort of like a "test" to see if the person in the video might find this intriguing. I've established a rule for him: if the person in the video does not directly respond to your interest (i.e. leaves a comment that says: I think it's neat that you speak Spanish) that this person is not someone you talk about this interest with.

As her mentor, I have also coached Cathy on how to handle this situation if it ever becomes problematic for her again. I know that she gets frustrated easily with others who are more impaired than her, as she has difficulty understanding other's intentions. I broke down the reasons for his behaviour and the things she can do to redirect him without getting frustrated or being too vague that he won't understand her.

I have also sent Megan a PM about the guy and explained the situation. She is having a bit of trouble handling him, so I have offered to help her out.

Mathgirl: I was worried originally at first about the guy possibly having similar tendencies as [edit: name removed by moderator], but upon breaking down the situation with him and these girls with him in detail, I was able to get a better sense of what his true motivations are. I now feel very comfortable coaching him with through this situation, as well as other ones that may arise for him.


It's the Internet, you aren't supposed to look this deeply into it, your just supposed to block them.


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22 Jul 2012, 12:00 am

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22 Jul 2012, 1:03 am

MathGirl wrote:
First, I think you need to find out his personal situation before you can judge him. He might be looking for a girl with his interests who is an Aspie, but be frustrated because he can't find any. I think this is the most likely scenario. If that's the case, I think that the best solution would be to not block him outright, but tell him that the frequency of his comments is inappropriate and, as you have tried to explain, they just aren't interested.


I definitely agree, and think this is what Silverlight was trying to say--although his/her comment made it sound like the girls are somehow obligated to discuss his interests.

We all know finding women on the spectrum is difficult, and since these were presumably good-looking women who readily admitted their aspieness, it's not surprising he was interested. It's also not so surprising he used their comment sections as his forum---if he as a guy made a Youtube channel and started conversations on there, it's much less likely that the girls would come there and pursue him. Us guys learn quickly that we need to make the moves.

It's perhaps odder that he failed to realize that not all aspies have the same special interests he does. Though then again, an aspie girl looking for guys will likely have this realization practically forced on her, through the mere experience of meeting many guys with very different interests from each other.

As an aside, I have surprisingly found that the aspies in support groups tend to not have especially prominent special interests in general. Many of them like to talk about the same boring grown-up topics of jobs, family, and living situation that NT adults do. Even if one of them droned on about a special interest I've never studied on my own, like Medieval church paintings, I'd find that more interesting than the above. I might even find someone's deep and novel (to me) area of interest romantic.

Anyway, hopefully you girls can teach him other ways to find aspies, including girls, who may enjoy hearing about his interests.



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22 Jul 2012, 7:55 am

Ganondox wrote:
It's the Internet, you aren't supposed to look this deeply into it, your just supposed to block them.
But the people on the Internet are real people who can get hurt just as much by what happens here as by what happens in real life. There was a point in my life where the Internet was my only social outlet because I had no real-life friends. However, things that have happened on the Internet have affected me more dramatically because there is less knowledge of who people are and what they are doing behind the screen. The Internet has had a traumatic effect on me, which caused me to shut down my Facebook, Livejournal, and Twitter completely, with my Youtube left up because people begged for it. While the Internet is more convenient for people with AS to use due to a lesser need to use non-verbal cues, it is a lot more uncertain than real life and can therefore be a major source of negative feelings that could permanently impact that individual's life.


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22 Jul 2012, 8:50 am

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Silverlight wrote:
Nobody else finds this a bit dehumanizing? If he's being annoying and completely oblivious that's one thing. But in terms of what he said... it would be a problem with your friends for not being interested in inherently interesting stuff(I speak theoretically here). Don't talk about him as if he were some child so much to the point where you don't show any concern for /his/ feelings. I find that a bit offensive, actually. You say he is not getting the message but this is true for your friends also, they simply aren't being receptive enough. Now it goes without saying that he probably isn't the best at sharing things in a palatable manner... but if you yourself possess an ASD then you should be more understanding of why that is. Honestly I'm thinking this isn't so much a problem with him(I could be wrong, I haven't seen more than 2 sentences written from him), but more with some sort of 'quiet' superiority issue you and your friends are experiencing. It's funny how it's always people with some sort of disorder(I have plenty, calm down) that are so quick to take advantage of situations where power over something is within reach. You just can't talk about other people like this.


A kinda agree.
What exactly is the problem?

The two girls are seeking fame by presenting themselves as sexy dorks- pretty girls with aspergers and geeky aspergian interests.

( a rather cool concept actually).

The point of which is to create community and make aspieness cool.

And what you get?

You succeeded!

And now you attract the attention of dorky people who also want to share thier dorky interests.

What did you expect would happen?

You got exactly what you asked for it sounds like to me.

Not sayin' you shouldnt block him or something- its complicated- but he is just annoying- it doesnt sound he is actually threatening.

But should figure out some way to accomidate people like him (part of the price of fame as someone posted above).


I was thinking something very similar... I mean, here we have a community of aspies, people who talk about how loving and loyal and nice they are and all that jazz... And then here comes some guy, trying to share his interests, and people are basically acting like it's a private club and trying to find the best way to exclude him because he's a little more aspie than the rest of us or something... How is that any better than the way YOU were treated in school, at work, or at home? I thought as aspies you should all be a little more understanding about this. I get that we can be annoyed too, but as people who get frequently ignored and treated badly because we accidentally annoy people all the time, we should be more understanding and accepting of this kind of behavior... Shame



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22 Jul 2012, 11:13 am

^ My intentions were not to exclude him at all...if I wanted to exclude him, I would have gone the easy way out and simply blocked him.

Rather, my intention is him to become better integrated with these girls so that they come to a middle ground where they are more accepting of him. I intervened because I care about Cathy and want to teach her how to be more tolerant and accepting of the people she attracts to her channel. I don't think she necessarily understands that if she's going to talk about subjects like AS that she is going to have people with a wide range of social abilities watching and commenting.

Cathy in particular doesn't seem to be really accepting of people who have different personalities or more difficulties than her. She is all about image and tends to gravitate towards people who look or act a certain way, rather than identify and empathise with the difficulties that a person has. She struggles a lot socially herself, so perhaps she has trouble generalizing and comparing their experiences with her own.

She looks up to me a great deal because I've worked on and have been met with a lot of social success despite having ASD, but she needs to realize that if she truly wants to connect with others with ASD, she has to be more tolerant of their difficulties. This is why I am trying to get her involved in the ASD community and get her exposed to more people with it.


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22 Jul 2012, 12:30 pm

Troll or not, I agree with this post, somewhat. I believe most computers these days have scroll bars, and even touch screens can be swiped to scroll down, thus making it incredibly easy to simply skim past anything you don't have the time or energy to read - surely much easier than presuming to correct someone's behaviour.

Silverlight wrote:
Nobody else finds this a bit dehumanizing? If he's being annoying and completely oblivious that's one thing. But in terms of what he said... it would be a problem with your friends for not being interested in inherently interesting stuff(I speak theoretically here). Don't talk about him as if he were some child so much to the point where you don't show any concern for /his/ feelings. I find that a bit offensive, actually. You say he is not getting the message but this is true for your friends also, they simply aren't being receptive enough. Now it goes without saying that he probably isn't the best at sharing things in a palatable manner... but if you yourself possess an ASD then you should be more understanding of why that is. Honestly I'm thinking this isn't so much a problem with him(I could be wrong, I haven't seen more than 2 sentences written from him), but more with some sort of 'quiet' superiority issue you and your friends are experiencing. It's funny how it's always people with some sort of disorder(I have plenty, calm down) that are so quick to take advantage of situations where power over something is within reach. You just can't talk about other people like this.



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22 Jul 2012, 2:23 pm

MathGirl wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
It's the Internet, you aren't supposed to look this deeply into it, your just supposed to block them.
But the people on the Internet are real people who can get hurt just as much by what happens here as by what happens in real life. There was a point in my life where the Internet was my only social outlet because I had no real-life friends. However, things that have happened on the Internet have affected me more dramatically because there is less knowledge of who people are and what they are doing behind the screen. The Internet has had a traumatic effect on me, which caused me to shut down my Facebook, Livejournal, and Twitter completely, with my Youtube left up because people begged for it. While the Internet is more convenient for people with AS to use due to a lesser need to use non-verbal cues, it is a lot more uncertain than real life and can therefore be a major source of negative feelings that could permanently impact that individual's life.


That was meant to be semisarcastic as in "nobody else gives a damn about the potential effects of what they do on the internet, so why should you?".


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