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23 Jul 2012, 11:13 am

No offence meant, but no generalization can be made about this. An analogical statement/semi-question: ''Hemorrhoids tend to be aggressive?''

To determine if aspies are attractive physically, experiments should be conducted. Also, there should be many test subjects to get statistically representative data, which is nearly impossible in this year; because our knowledge about AS is very limited that even diagnoses are questionable.


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23 Jul 2012, 11:56 am

I don't think AS and good looks are linked. First of all, there are different tastes which very among culture, time and place which means people may think you are handsome here but may think you are ordinary or ugly there.
There have been threads here about Aspies looking young for their age. Maybe that's that.


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23 Jul 2012, 1:02 pm

I think the distribution of good looking people is the same in the aspie population as it is the NT population. I just think we've got a few optimistic thinkers here!

I would subjectively say that I'm pretty good looking for a lad. But I realised long ago that that means sweet f**k all when you can barely hold a conversation together. It is really all about personality!



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23 Jul 2012, 3:06 pm

JoeRose wrote:
I think the distribution of good looking people is the same in the aspie population as it is the NT population. I just think we've got a few optimistic thinkers here!

I would subjectively say that I'm pretty good looking for a lad. But I realised long ago that that means sweet f**k all when you can barely hold a conversation together. It is really all about personality!


Would say it's more the ability to express personality or more often to lie about there personality/hide there own that makes them attractive. Could it be that they see our problem expressing ours seems like we're trying to lie and unsuccessfully hide our 'bad' personality?



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23 Jul 2012, 9:06 pm

Yeah i think that is right, i mean i would probably rate my self 10 / 10.

That is, if you think frankenstein is good looking, so 10 / 10 on the ugly meter lol.



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23 Jul 2012, 9:32 pm

DrPenguin wrote:
JoeRose wrote:
I think the distribution of good looking people is the same in the aspie population as it is the NT population. I just think we've got a few optimistic thinkers here!

I would subjectively say that I'm pretty good looking for a lad. But I realised long ago that that means sweet f**k all when you can barely hold a conversation together. It is really all about personality!


Would say it's more the ability to express personality or more often to lie about there personality/hide there own that makes them attractive. Could it be that they see our problem expressing ours seems like we're trying to lie and unsuccessfully hide our 'bad' personality?


I can see where you are coming from. I think to some degree every person (whether NT or aspie) is a bit of an actor. I know for a period of several years when I was in the height of my teenage youth I used to act NT a lot. And it worked pretty well for me. I had a few girlfriends, made a lot of friends and had a lot of fun. But it became so so tiring keeping up the facade. I now literally don't even bother and I'm not doing too well socially at the moment.
So I see what you are saying about faking a personality. However I believe that NTs act much much less than say I would have to or if at all. So yes I agree with you. Because they can more accurately express their personality they do much better.
Because I fail to properly express my personality I struggle. And I see what you are saying. I would probably say an aspie can tend to have a lot more interesting and quirky things that make up a more interesting personality than NTs have. But because they have difficulty expressing it they don't do too well.

Sorry if my reply was long winded, I'm struggling to express myself concisely enough at the moment.



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25 Jul 2012, 5:08 am

My thoughts on the subject,

I tend to shy away from phrenological-sounding pseudo-scientific observations, but...

It could be due to the following:

a) Higher average levels of testosterone, resulting in sexually dimorphic features indicative of desirable secondary sexual characteristics.
b) larger heads. Especially for high-functioning / aspie individuals. Macrocephalus may mean that individuals have wider eye sets (considered universally attractive) and elongated foreheads (denoting intelligence).
c) Expressions: Throughout life, how we use our facial muscles can determine their shape. We develop wrinkles which are sometimes called "character lines". Wrinkles can give clues to someone having a cheerful of depressed personal history. The default "poker" face expression common to aspies may reduce the chance of wrinkle formation. This may lead to a healthier appearance when aging.
d) Although this is a bit of an unscientific observation. I notice that there are individuals with AS like Syd Barrett, David Bowie, Gary Numan, Ladyhawke... Who have a certain "aloof" but striking magnetic "look" resembling something elvish and "deep in thought".

Of course, I don't want to stereotype. Attractiveness isn't universal amongst all those who are on the autism spectrum. It did puzzle me why some psychologists linked AS with attractive faces. For a time, I did wonder if some researchers personal fascination with autism may have led to some bias in this conclusion. Perhaps some high profile female psychologists had husbands with Aspergers syndrome? Who knows...



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25 Jul 2012, 8:08 am

Aspies aren't necessarily better-looking, but are probably more likely to have the potential to go from "hideous" to "hot" with little more than a haircut, new clothes, and changes to either one's facial hair or makeup (depending on gender). Sure, there's always the occasional thirtysomething mom who was glamorous in high school before getting overwhelmed and burned out by 3am feedings and toddler care, but 99% of the most profound changes are basically aspies whose "before" appearance was the product of indifference or misperception, and whose "after" appearance is the equivalent of professional home staging on HGTV.


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25 Jul 2012, 10:15 am

I think it is just many aspies have a very youthful look, which results from a lack of facial expressions meaning less wrinkles and less sun exposure because aspies are generally uncoordinated hence more unlikely to play sport and spend time outdoors.


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25 Jul 2012, 10:25 am

Joe90 wrote:
It seems, according to WP, every possible human behaviour or appearence is associated with Autism, as though Autism has a zillion traits and NT only has 1 which is socializing. That's not really how it works.


I've noticed this too and it is what makes me doubt that I have AS because my friends seem to have many of the traits which make me think I have aspergers and are socially awkward too. And what confuses me more is that my two AS friends are more socially successful than my NT friends ie. have had relationships.
That was a bit off topic >.>


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25 Jul 2012, 10:44 am

JoeRose wrote:
DrPenguin wrote:
JoeRose wrote:
I think the distribution of good looking people is the same in the aspie population as it is the NT population. I just think we've got a few optimistic thinkers here!

I would subjectively say that I'm pretty good looking for a lad. But I realised long ago that that means sweet f**k all when you can barely hold a conversation together. It is really all about personality!


Would say it's more the ability to express personality or more often to lie about there personality/hide there own that makes them attractive. Could it be that they see our problem expressing ours seems like we're trying to lie and unsuccessfully hide our 'bad' personality?


I can see where you are coming from. I think to some degree every person (whether NT or aspie) is a bit of an actor. I know for a period of several years when I was in the height of my teenage youth I used to act NT a lot. And it worked pretty well for me. I had a few girlfriends, made a lot of friends and had a lot of fun. But it became so so tiring keeping up the facade. I now literally don't even bother and I'm not doing too well socially at the moment.
So I see what you are saying about faking a personality. However I believe that NTs act much much less than say I would have to or if at all. So yes I agree with you. Because they can more accurately express their personality they do much better.
Because I fail to properly express my personality I struggle. And I see what you are saying. I would probably say an aspie can tend to have a lot more interesting and quirky things that make up a more interesting personality than NTs have. But because they have difficulty expressing it they don't do too well.

Sorry if my reply was long winded, I'm struggling to express myself concisely enough at the moment.


I feel the same it takes me so much effort to pass. As NT It drains me, where most of my mates start out there and act the 'perfect NT' when there facade slips the prospective partner see's safe normal (they know we're acting (as are they)) when our NT act slips were 'not normal' if we were in the 'very perfect NT but odd (Jonnie Depp) we'd be fine. Alot of the reaction to me is also driven by pere pressure when I do find a girl who likes my quirks . Ie why would you want to be with him advice, usually from an orange skinned friend who looks like an umpa lumpa in drag who's slept with very druggie in the County.

PS just had a job interview, far too much sun and so struggling with coherence.



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25 Jul 2012, 11:24 am

Last time I checked, we were all human beings. So why would our appearance be any different in general? We are neurologically different to the NT, that's it.



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27 Jul 2012, 1:29 am

Seventh wrote:
Is it just me, or do aspies tend to be good looking? We often don't have fashion sense, but a lot of aspies have attractive faces. That's just my impression anyway, which I got from attending a local AS meeting, from aspie friends and from seeing people's pics and videos online.


No.

I haven't met or seen an attractive Aspie.

The rates of attractiveness are no different than any other population group.



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27 Jul 2012, 10:48 am

When the diagnosticians say autistic people have an "attractive appearance" they just mean that there aren't any obvious physical indicators of autism like a consistent autistic "look" that includes, say, a pronounced epicanthal fold, a flat nose and short stature. Autistic people appear to be physically normal.

I, however, am really hot. :wink:



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27 Jul 2012, 1:19 pm

Esperanza wrote:
When the diagnosticians say autistic people have an "attractive appearance" they just mean that there aren't any obvious physical indicators of autism like a consistent autistic "look" that includes, say, a pronounced epicanthal fold, a flat nose and short stature. Autistic people appear to be physically normal.

I, however, am really hot. :wink:


It's not the diagnosticians who started it: It was Kanner and Asperger, and from their descriptions autistic people appeared "angelic" or "elven" which is a step above "not ugly".


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15 Oct 2012, 3:03 am

not neccesarily, but when we are were normally at odds handling compliments lol