Wikipedia article about "Mozart and the Whale"

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[quote="ecstasia
You're just whinging about trivial sh*t. Your complaints are about wikipedia and a trailer that's still on the production companies website. Easily fixed.

Wikipedia: Edit it yourself.

I don't believe Wikipedia should exist. I don't mind a group effort at an encyclopedia but any entries should have some tag line as to the source.

Trailer: Call the production company and ask them to remove it.

Why should they have to remove their trailer? The problem is that the link should be to the official site and not to the trailer. If you were in my place, you might understand but since that will never happen to you, you don't.

Problems solved.[/quote] Well, maybe you mean well and I should not call you a jerk but I don't agree with you, certainly on the trailer part.

Jerry Newport

Fight the power!!

What power?

Any power!! Pick one!! !

I am a very Liberal person. You can tell because I will defend to the death your right to agree with me!

So you are all faced with stark choice of disagreeing with me and remaining under the constant threat of drunk drivers, falling pianos and a big giant imaginary foot trying to squash you, or you can just nod and agree so you live the rest of your life under an umbrella of near invulnerability. I really can do that.

Jerry is upset at something, I've read the whole thread and can't for the life of me work out what it is. That does not mean he has no reason to be upset though; a wise man knows he is stupid and I am indeed stupid and if I can't percieve something wrong, it is a flaw on my part.

From what I can gather Jerry has seen something which is wrong, but had read the intentions of those doing the wrongy stuff wrongly. It could be that Alex has a tortoise-slow response time simply because he's busy. I have long pleaded that bacteria should be offered the same rights as people because bacteria has a very fast response time, but only a few seconds for a life span. Bacteria could do those kind of jobs really well if we just catered to remove the barriers preventing them from this.

Despite what some silly people from the Frankfurt school of Marxism will tell you, not every opinion is equally valid, otherwise we would have doctors who think amputation is a cure-all solution that would actually be doing it and no one would have the right to stop them because the crazy quack has an equally valid professional opinion as any other, no matter how bonkers. Everyone has the right to an opinion and to express it, if anyone thinks that should be curbed then they need a smack with a hilarious fish, it's the right to have your opinion validated which has to be earned.

When someone talks and I can't understand a word of it, I give them the benefit of the doubt.

Ah!

AAAAAaaah-HA!

I've just spotted what is wrong now and Jerry is indeed right: there is a serious problem with people who link directly to something like a trailor, but not the site itself. All websites want net traffic to come through them, it is just consideration that other sites should link to other sites but not seperate material contained.

Any chance of the squabbling stopping?

This is the first time I have seen this thread. Here are my thoughts. If for whatever reason Jerry would like the link to the trailer removing, I think we should do this. While we are in no way connected with the Wikipedia article, it has clearly caused you some distress Jerry, and if it were me I would be royally pissed off also.

I would appreciate it if those with dissenting opinions could avoid making it personal and further inflaming this discussion. Jerry, I hope you do not decide to leave. Hopefully this can be sorted out from our end quickly.

Dunc

Thanks!! ! You understand. How nice. Go forth and multiply

Jerry

So, anyone who disagrees with you is a fool?

So, anyone who disagrees with you is a fool? [/quote]

No, but I feel tempted to use that label to describe anyone who ignores the obvious truth, when painstakingly restated. However, I should not have used the label and already apologized so kindly find another dead horse to beat.

Perhaps someday, if you ever work ten years on something, you will understand how it feels to have it ripped off by somebody who contributed nothing.

Jerry Newport

No, but I feel tempted to use that label to describe anyone who ignores the obvious truth, when painstakingly restated. However, I should not have used the label and already apologized so kindly find another dead horse to beat.

Perhaps someday, if you ever work ten years on something, you will understand how it feels to have it ripped off by somebody who contributed nothing.

Jerry Newport[/quote]

It's a TRAILER.

You're not being ripped off. You're making a mountain out of a mole-hill.

It's a TRAILER.

You're not being ripped off. You're making a mountain out of a mole-hill.[/quote]

You are obviously too insensitive to understand. I give up. You see no value in why I or the hundreds of people involved with this project want people to go directly to our website to see the trailer, so they can avail themselves of the rest of the site, rather than just have the trailer taken linked to separately.

I am going to quit viewing this item so you may have the last word.
Jerry

You are obviously too insensitive to understand. I give up. You see no value in why I or the hundreds of people involved with this project want people to go directly to our website to see the trailer, so they can avail themselves of the rest of the site, rather than just have the trailer taken linked to separately.

I am going to quit viewing this item so you may have the last word.
Jerry[/quote]

I don't believe you're going to stop viewing this. The trailer isn't available on the official trailer page anymore. So how on earth would they see it through the official site? If the production company doesn't want it seen, they'd of taken it off the server completely. Since they haven't done that, boo hoo for you.

TheWhale, didn't you say that the production company has the rights to the film? If that's true, they have the rights to the trailer, it is their movie, and they own it. Therefore, they can do whatever they want with it. If they have a problem with it, they'll do something about it. But if they have the rights to it, technically it's not your trailer. That's the movie industry for you.

Okay, I am glad I saw this. So, because of a technicality, you don't think I have a right to complain? Don't worry. I have told the production people about it. I guess I was too naive to assume that I might get some consideration (NOT special treatment) otherwise. I guess your position ( which it appears is not going to be implemented ) is to say, "Jerry, too bad. We will do nothing until forced to by the production company." How considerate.

At least you had something sensible to say if not practical. Oh, as far as the last from Ecstasia, consider this: If the movie trailer is not available on the official site, that is because they are changing it. All the more reason to not show it independently.

Jerry Newport

AllI want is to see the movie.

This thread has stopped becoming productive and I have recieved a few PM's about it.

Thus I feel that right now in the short term that locking this thread is in order until we can decide the best course of action regarding this thread

I'd like to add that the trailer has been replaced with a link to the official site. WrongPlanet.net would like to make an official apology to Mr. Newport for any problems caused by the link to the trailer and some of the responses to this thread. It goes without saying that I don't approve of some of the negative things said in response to Jerry's request.

When someone creates a link to content that bypasses a site's normal access path that's called "deep linking". It's been a problem ever since the www was invented, and has nothing to do with Wiki or WP (and has even been the subject of some significant lawsuits).

According to the W3C (the body that oversees web standards):

What the W3C is saying is that URLs cannot be considered a protected resourse, so if your content is accessible using an URL then you have no right to prevent people from passing that URL around or embedding it in their web sites. Instead, there are commonly understood technical solutions to deep-linking, ranging from Referrer checking to secure channel delivery. In my opinion, if you don't want people posting links to a trailer then you should be complaining to the site that hosts the trailer and convince them to block the deep linking on their end. Complaining to the sites that link to your content is a waste of time -- even if you convince some of them to take down the link there may be others and you'll never find all of them.