what is the diffrence between an asperger brain and a normal

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03 Aug 2012, 5:12 am

brain. tell me please.....


i mean i think the only diffrence is we either have no relationship brain center or our cordsdont go thru it.


well can you give me the diffrences. i never understood why...



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03 Aug 2012, 6:29 am

http://www.wrongplanet.net/article419.html

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/ ... =digest_12
"...Asperger’s there is immature development of the cerebellum, amygdala, and hippocampus. Small cells are packed tightly in these immature parts of the brain, signifying true immature development, not damage or atrophy. Brains from people with autism are more immature in hippocampus development than are Asperger’s brains, which may help explain the cognition problems we see in low-functioning autism. The situation is reversed for the amygdala, a part of the brain that processes emotion. Here, the Asperger’s brain is often more abnormal than the autistic brain. Could the more normal hippocampus preserve the cognitive function in Asperger’s, with the less normal amygdala causing the social problems? Corroboration comes from brain scan studies showing that people with Asperger’s or high-functioning autism process emotional information differently than do normal subjects. The British autism researcher Simon Baron-Cohen has done functional MRI studies indicating that normal people activate the amygdala to judge the expression in another person’s eyes, but people with Asperger’s call on fronto-temporal regions of the brain. More recently, a study by Haznedar revealed that in the brain of the high-functioning autistic or Asperger’s person, the circuit between the anterior cingulate in the frontal cortex and the amygdala is not completely connected. As a result, people with autism or Asperger’s have decreased metabolism in the anterior cingulate. "

"The brains of men and women with Asperger Syndrome are more similar to each other than are those of male and female controls, according to a study published in the January issue of the American Journal of Neuroradiology. The results lend support to the extreme male brain’ theory of autism, the researchers say."
"The difference in the volumes of total white matter and local gray matter between men and women is smaller in the group with Asperger syndrome than in controls. This suggests that the brains of women with the syndrome have more male’ brain characteristics than those of controls, the researchers say.
Among controls, the men’s brains also have greater connectivity as measured by the flow of water through the brain than the women’s brains in a number of regions, including the corpus callosum, which connects the two hemispheres. This difference in connectivity between males and females is also smaller among the brains of individuals with Asperger syndrome.

In some of our other investigations we have examined the thickness of cortical areas. We found that in the right hemisphere, the areas associated with social functioning and imitation part of the so-called mirror neuron system have reduced thickness, and that this reduction is also associated with severity of social symptoms in ASD. "
"There are also some important brain areas associated with social functioning that lie below the cortex, in particular the amygdala. This region shows atypical patterns of development in ASD; by adolescence, the smaller size of the amygdala is also associated with severity of social symptoms.

Our functional MRI studies also focus on language and social processing. In our language studies, we find that even in high functioning verbal children and adults with ASD, there are differences in brain activation patterns. Like typical controls, people with ASD process language in the left hemisphere, in the same key areas of the brain. However, the patterns of activation are distributed differently, suggesting that in ASD the brain works differently, and that the language areas are not as well integrated or connected as they are in neurotypical people; such connections are critical for complex language processing, including higher level discourse.

Many studies have investigated how the brain processes faces, a key social stimulus, in ASD. Early studies found the main area for face processing, called the FFA (face fusiform area), was not activated in ASD. However, in our studies we required our participants to look directly at the center of the face while we collected the brain images. This difference in procedure showed that people with ASD do show typical FFA activation when they are attending to the face. Our collaborators at the University of Wisconsin went one step further, measuring where their participants looked, and which areas of the brain were activated, while they were judging emotional facial expressions. They found a direct relationship between FFA activation and amount of time spent looking at the eye region of the faces in their participants with ASD. Across both these studies we also found differences in brain activation in other regions associated with social processing, including the amygdala and the mirror neuron system."


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03 Aug 2012, 10:10 am

I HATE my brain.


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03 Aug 2012, 10:27 am

cursedforever:

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brain. tell me please.....


i mean i think the only diffrence is we either have no relationship brain center or our cordsdont go thru it.


well can you give me the diffrences. i never understood why...


There are numerous theories floating around concerning the differences between Non-Autistics and Autistics Brains.

I suspect other theories will arise .....

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03 Aug 2012, 10:29 am

I hate my brain too.

Despite the findings in the passage, saying things like...

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"...Asperger’s there is immature development of the cerebellum, amygdala, and hippocampus. Small cells are packed tightly in these immature parts of the brain, signifying true immature development ....

and followed by several other statements of implied inferior neurological function, there are those on here who believe their brains are superior, and choose to view a small "dumbed-down" perception of the NT population as a comparison to themselves in a very biased-selective way, in order to make them feel better, and delude themselves into a feeling of superiority.

I would connect more with a much less scientific quote that was made on another thread...
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Humans are social animals, and unless you master this game, you will forever be hated and looked down upon and ridiculed by those whom you're forced to deal with every day. That's why aspergers is so cruel. You're functional enough to integrate yourself into society and pass as a regular person, but you're NOT functional enough to really make friends or have any meaningful relationships. At least if I was a full-blown mental case I wouldn't have to suffer like this, or even be part of society. But no, if the loneliness isn't hard enough, the ridicule is always there to top it off. Does anyone else agree that this is NO WAY TO LIVE? Why should I continue living like this?

Sorry it goes a bit off-topic.
Some people here actually believe their AS brain is superior to the NT brain; one person even wrote a book on their theory and would react aggressively to anyone who challenged his way of thinking. I guess you can't please everyone.



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03 Aug 2012, 10:55 am

Chris71 -- well said. It's even worse when NTs can't understand AS and will not accept its existence.



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03 Aug 2012, 12:18 pm

Thank you, whirlingmind!

Well, that explains why I can read faces as well as any NT. I've always worked hard to look at people's faces. My mother worked on that relentlessly with me when I was little. But I can't dance or manage in an aerobics/dance/pilates/whatever class to save my life.



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03 Aug 2012, 8:55 pm

this is why we need to form our own colony. Preferably on a beautiful island........that is quiet and peaceful.

I took part in a research MRI and basically what they told me is that different areas of my brain light up during the exercises.
Very interesting.



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03 Aug 2012, 9:44 pm

An Asperger's brain is 10-15% larger than an NT brain.


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03 Aug 2012, 9:51 pm

We do actually have a different brain to NTs. Our brain does not function in the same way that an NTs brain function.

There is a lot of scientific evidence for this (as shown above by the informative post in italics).

But what rings out for me is that when NT people have brain injuries, as well of a host of other problems, they have significant difficulty with social interaction. Especially in brain injuries affecting the frontal love of the brain. This shows that the injury, which in a simplification alters the way an NT persons brain is wired, causes autistic like symptoms in patients.
This shows that people with autism etc have differences in brain wiring from birth.



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22 Apr 2013, 2:56 pm

Sorry to bump, but i was wondering whether anyone is aware of a good reference book that reads along the same lines as the article at the top of this thread - i.e. describes ASD in terms of the mechanics of the brain. I'm not after another book which simply lists symptoms and techniques to deal with them e.g. a self-help sort of book, but rather a more scientific book which lists symptoms and explains why such symptoms arise, linking them to parts of the brain.

Does Attwood's Complete Guide to ASD do this? Perhaps there is something by Baron-Cohen?

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22 Apr 2013, 3:10 pm

Attwood's Complete Guide to ASD does it to some extent, but not much as far as I recall. Uta Frith has described it in further detail, but I can't remember the title of the book I read, sorry.



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22 Apr 2013, 3:15 pm

Thank you, whirlingmind. The more I study this issue, the more I believe I am on the right course with nootropics and neurotransmitter supplements combined with biofeedback therapy and martial arts for visual processing.



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22 Apr 2013, 3:19 pm

LovingTheAlien wrote:
Attwood's Complete Guide to ASD does it to some extent, but not much as far as I recall. Uta Frith has described it in further detail, but I can't remember the title of the book I read, sorry.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uta_Frith
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Her book Autism: Explaining the Enigma[9][10] provides an introduction to the cognitive neuroscience of autism. She has been influential on the work of Simon Baron-Cohen[11] and Tony Attwood, both of whom worked under her as PhD students.


Yes, she surely has potential...the master and her apprenti...

Is that the name of the book?