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03 Dec 2012, 4:05 pm

I'm really worried about the new terminology. Asperger's doesn't exactly have the same stigma as autism.



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03 Dec 2012, 4:13 pm

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I'm really worried about the new terminology. Asperger's doesn't exactly have the same stigma as autism.


That is a great reason, then the stigma can remain around autism and some with Aspergers can continue thinking they have a more superior mental disorder than autism.....even though asperger's is autsim, but nevermind that. :shrug:


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03 Dec 2012, 5:29 pm

This is a good thing. Just wait and see. :D Is Dr. Asperger rolling over in his grave!? I guess we aren't "special" anymore ... *chuckle*



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03 Dec 2012, 5:40 pm

seatbeltblue wrote:
I'm really worried about the new terminology. Asperger's doesn't exactly have the same stigma as autism.


Then it is about time, that people change their view about autism.
Stigma is never ok.
It dehumanizes human beings as you "can explain" a whole human being only by symptoms and that is all there is.
People should learn about the versatility of being autistic.


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03 Dec 2012, 9:00 pm

Well, getting rid of Asperger, just made it that much easier to shunt all the ASD kids into self contain classes/schools.

One way of getting rid of those pesky IEPs, in general education population, is under the guise of "having all the services your child needs in one place."

Yeah. Bring on the 1930s, fast and fierce.

A school district by me is already doing this.

And I'm sure more are weaseling to see if they can get away with it.



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03 Dec 2012, 9:15 pm

Look, there's another problem people aren't addressing with this.

In order to understand Asperger's and Autism better, it's actually in people's interest to make it more specific. There are a lot of characteristics that vary amongst people, but by having Asperger's on it's own (or at least under the umbrella of ASD), then you can work down the common traits within it. By putting the whole mess under one huge umbrella and not making it into more specific subsections, all that understanding gets lost. There are MANY, MANY, MANY traits common ONLY to those with Aspeger's that are not present in Autistics. And, there are traits common to everyone.

But, to erase the condition, takes a step back, in terms of progress. If anything I've seen in this forum is the amazing progress in people identifying common traits amongst Aspies that are NOT in medical books. People, knowing they have Asperger's, discuss their traits and notice the patterns. Now, let's go ahead and step into the future. All people are only "Autistic" or not. Well, you're not going to get as much "patterns" matching up, when you have people that are more further away from Asperger's comparing each other's conditions, than if you both knew you had Asperger's, being a subset of ASD. You'd just left in a huge, messy bucket, trying to sift through things that were previously (at least begun to be) sorted.

That's what bothers me the most. The "puzzle" thing never applied to Aspies since WE were starting to get patterns in everything and figure it out. In the overall autism spectrum, there's just so much else beyond what we have in common amongst ourselves, that they've got a lot of work to do. But, now all this order we've made is just tossed in the bucket and lost, for good. I really don't get how any reputable scientist could even accept this as a good thing.



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03 Dec 2012, 9:31 pm

JRR wrote:
Look, there's another problem people aren't addressing with this.

In order to understand Asperger's and Autism better, it's actually in people's interest to make it more specific. There are a lot of characteristics that vary amongst people, but by having Asperger's on it's own (or at least under the umbrella of ASD), then you can work down the common traits within it. By putting the whole mess under one huge umbrella and not making it into more specific subsections, all that understanding gets lost. There are MANY, MANY, MANY traits common ONLY to those with Aspeger's that are not present in Autistics. And, there are traits common to everyone.

But, to erase the condition, takes a step back, in terms of progress. If anything I've seen in this forum is the amazing progress in people identifying common traits amongst Aspies that are NOT in medical books. People, knowing they have Asperger's, discuss their traits and notice the patterns. Now, let's go ahead and step into the future. All people are only "Autistic" or not. Well, you're not going to get as much "patterns" matching up, when you have people that are more further away from Asperger's comparing each other's conditions, than if you both knew you had Asperger's, being a subset of ASD. You'd just left in a huge, messy bucket, trying to sift through things that were previously (at least begun to be) sorted.

That's what bothers me the most. The "puzzle" thing never applied to Aspies since WE were starting to get patterns in everything and figure it out. In the overall autism spectrum, there's just so much else beyond what we have in common amongst ourselves, that they've got a lot of work to do. But, now all this order we've made is just tossed in the bucket and lost, for good. I really don't get how any reputable scientist could even accept this as a good thing.


If you are worried just continue calling yourself an Aspie. Check with your Insurance provider on your rights pertaining to claiming benefits. Otherwise just chill.



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03 Dec 2012, 9:33 pm

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That's what bothers me the most. The "puzzle" thing never applied to Aspies since WE were starting to get patterns in everything and figure it out. In the overall autism spectrum, there's just so much else beyond what we have in common amongst ourselves, that they've got a lot of work to do. But, now all this order we've made is just tossed in the bucket and lost, for good. I really don't get how any reputable scientist could even accept this as a good thing.


How did you determine that these traits are only present in people diagnosed with AS, but not in people diagnosed with autism or PDD-NOS? I am really curious. Just because people diagnosed with AS describe these traits on this website does not mean that autistic people do not share them.

Also, how precisely does having a single diagnosis erase these commonalities? You're making a fairly sweeping argument, but I don't see how your conclusion follows from your premise.



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03 Dec 2012, 9:41 pm

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I'm really worried about the new terminology. Asperger's doesn't exactly have the same stigma as autism.

Well if it's any consolation many autistic people probably don't want to be lumped with high functioning Asperger people. Older people who were diagnosed with autism and have difficulty functioning in NT society will invariably have little sympathy for Aspies being dramatic over the "stigma" of being "autistic". But hey! I guess we all have one thing in common, we all lack an empathy for one another (don't worry it's a joke).



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03 Dec 2012, 9:46 pm

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Look, there's another problem people aren't addressing with this.

In order to understand Asperger's and Autism better, it's actually in people's interest to make it more specific. There are a lot of characteristics that vary amongst people, but by having Asperger's on it's own (or at least under the umbrella of ASD), then you can work down the common traits within it. By putting the whole mess under one huge umbrella and not making it into more specific subsections, all that understanding gets lost. There are MANY, MANY, MANY traits common ONLY to those with Aspeger's that are not present in Autistics. And, there are traits common to everyone.

But, to erase the condition, takes a step back, in terms of progress. If anything I've seen in this forum is the amazing progress in people identifying common traits amongst Aspies that are NOT in medical books. People, knowing they have Asperger's, discuss their traits and notice the patterns. Now, let's go ahead and step into the future. All people are only "Autistic" or not. Well, you're not going to get as much "patterns" matching up, when you have people that are more further away from Asperger's comparing each other's conditions, than if you both knew you had Asperger's, being a subset of ASD. You'd just left in a huge, messy bucket, trying to sift through things that were previously (at least begun to be) sorted.

That's what bothers me the most. The "puzzle" thing never applied to Aspies since WE were starting to get patterns in everything and figure it out. In the overall autism spectrum, there's just so much else beyond what we have in common amongst ourselves, that they've got a lot of work to do. But, now all this order we've made is just tossed in the bucket and lost, for good. I really don't get how any reputable scientist could even accept this as a good thing.


Yes, this makes a certain sense. I hadn't thought of it quite like that

Basically, there needs to be a whole lot more research about autism. A revolution


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03 Dec 2012, 9:59 pm

JRR wrote:
Look, there's another problem people aren't addressing with this.

In order to understand Asperger's and Autism better, it's actually in people's interest to make it more specific. There are a lot of characteristics that vary amongst people, but by having Asperger's on it's own (or at least under the umbrella of ASD), then you can work down the common traits within it. By putting the whole mess under one huge umbrella and not making it into more specific subsections, all that understanding gets lost. There are MANY, MANY, MANY traits common ONLY to those with Aspeger's that are not present in Autistics. And, there are traits common to everyone.

But, to erase the condition, takes a step back, in terms of progress. If anything I've seen in this forum is the amazing progress in people identifying common traits amongst Aspies that are NOT in medical books. People, knowing they have Asperger's, discuss their traits and notice the patterns. Now, let's go ahead and step into the future. All people are only "Autistic" or not. Well, you're not going to get as much "patterns" matching up, when you have people that are more further away from Asperger's comparing each other's conditions, than if you both knew you had Asperger's, being a subset of ASD. You'd just left in a huge, messy bucket, trying to sift through things that were previously (at least begun to be) sorted.

That's what bothers me the most. The "puzzle" thing never applied to Aspies since WE were starting to get patterns in everything and figure it out. In the overall autism spectrum, there's just so much else beyond what we have in common amongst ourselves, that they've got a lot of work to do. But, now all this order we've made is just tossed in the bucket and lost, for good. I really don't get how any reputable scientist could even accept this as a good thing.


I don't think that the patterns will be buried. To me, it is more useful and interesting to understand the larger patterns that apply to both autism and AS, as well as the specific manifestations that are more common in AS or more common in autism. Sometimes, these AS-type and autism-type manifestations of the same autistic trait can apply to the same person at different times of their life. Sometimes, things that look different are really teh same thing.



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03 Dec 2012, 10:41 pm

Eh, I can now tell people I have autism and they will won't scratch their heads unlike if I say I have Asperger's.

It's now a sliding scale. That means that (hypothetically speaking) if a girl who is a high school cheerleader has it, it would be somewhat safe to assume that's she's extremely high functioning. As much as I'm going to miss the DSM-IV definition, the sliding scale will be an interesting aspect of things.

[quote:"Tawaki"]Well, getting rid of Asperger, just made it that much easier to shunt all the ASD kids into self contain classes/schools.

One way of getting rid of those pesky IEPs, in general education population, is under the guise of "having all the services your child needs in one place."

Yeah. Bring on the 1930s, fast and fierce.

A school district by me is already doing this.

And I'm sure more are weaseling to see if they can get away with it.[/quote]

I'm now advocating for going back to the one room schoolhouse. Centralizing the s**t out of American public education has failed. It's interesting how once school districts merged across the nation, the quality of American education suffered and in fact has become more expensive.



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04 Dec 2012, 12:34 am

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. . . I think we're better off just calling ourselves autistic and daring the world to look down on us for it. Some will, but many will do a double-take once they realize "autistic" does not actually mean "worthless". The influx of highly-verbal individuals into the "Autism Spectrum" diagnosis means that they're going to have an even harder time trying to shut us up now, especially if we force them to remember that we're very similar to those people who can't speak as well and whom they've been shouting down. Well, it won't be so easy now. All those highly-verbal people who can talk the hind leg off a donkey and were given the "Asperger's" diagnosis for it? Just call them the cavalry. We're going to be able to yell even louder now. Sooner or later, they simply won't be able to ignore us any more.

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04 Dec 2012, 2:42 am

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The aim is not to expand the number of people diagnosed with mental illness, but to ensure that affected children and adults are more accurately diagnosed so they can get the most appropriate treatment, said Dr. David Kupfer. He chaired the task force in charge of revising the manual and is a psychiatry professor at the University of Pittsburgh.


Oh for christs sake.


How the deuce is removing a specification for a spectrum of order in any way helping accuracy of diagnosis?! Makes no Gorram sense!

I'm more wondering how the deuce an autism diagnosis of any shape or form in any way correlates with mental illness.

ABC just lost any credibility in my eyes.


Yeah I agree with all of this >,< W . .T . .F



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04 Dec 2012, 5:48 am

Can you believe that over here the media actually had this headline (sort of)
"Asperger's replaced by new term 'DMDD'"

Idiots. And that came from a MAJOR newspaper. :x


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04 Dec 2012, 6:16 am

I'm not sure if I like being defined as high functioning. It seems to make light of those things I find difficult.