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14 Dec 2012, 11:10 pm

I'd argue that an extroverted person with Asperger's isn't an oxymoron as some have implied - an extrovert is someone who is the opposite to an introvert, someone who likes to be around others, which can be very common amongst aspies...they just lack the social skills so some may be annoying or they may be easily tired out because they're having to constantly keep-up the social side of things. You may have to look at the person as separate to the autism to see them as an extrovert, as the autism means they sometimes have to switch to being introverted to cope - much like a person may be very energetic but due to a health condition may need to re-charge. I'm sure many of us would agree that due to our problems with autism we can't always show who we really are.

I'm an extroverted autistic. I'd consider myself extroverted because I am outgoing and confident, I prefer to be around people and seek out opportunities to be around people, I prefer to be in large groups of people and I am often the centre of attention within my friends groups - I've never had anyone refer to me as annoying or any of the other negative terms or traits mentioned here. I have to work hard to use my social skills (during a time of regression being extroverted may be harder or even impossible...at least without a few alcoholic beverages down my throat, lol) and I can't manage it all the time, but I'm certainly no introvert!

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14 Dec 2012, 11:24 pm

Bloodheart wrote:
I'd argue that an extroverted person with Asperger's isn't an oxymoron as some have implied - an extrovert is someone who is the opposite to an introvert, someone who likes to be around others, which can be very common amongst aspies...they just lack the social skills so some may be annoying or they may be easily tired out because they're having to constantly keep-up the social side of things. You may have to look at the person as separate to the autism to see them as an extrovert, as the autism means they sometimes have to switch to being introverted to cope - much like a person may be very energetic but due to a health condition may need to re-charge. I'm sure many of us would agree that due to our problems with autism we can't always show who we really are.

I'm an extroverted autistic. I'd consider myself extroverted because I am outgoing and confident, I prefer to be around people and seek out opportunities to be around people, I prefer to be in large groups of people and I am often the centre of attention within my friends groups - I've never had anyone refer to me as annoying or any of the other negative terms or traits mentioned here. I have to work hard to use my social skills (during a time of regression being extroverted may be harder or even impossible...at least without a few alcoholic beverages down my throat, lol) and I can't manage it all the time, but I'm certainly no introvert!

Remember that message about those of us on the spectrum; we're all different.


I'm definitely an extrovert with the need for significant downtime. I've mostly been considered 'warm and engaging' but beyond the first few minutes.... see video below [Tad proudly declares at the end]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTPwcTlLiow[/youtube]



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14 Dec 2012, 11:51 pm

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There's a guy who works in the supermarket around here as a bag checker and cart getter. He's well intentioned, but boy, is he loud! He absolutely doesn't understand that some people simply want to get their groceries and get home in silence. No one wants to be rude, but when he starts a conversation with you, you're impelled to listen to it through its natural conclusion which is...never.


SOUNDS LIKE ME!! !! !! !! ! ha ha lol



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15 Dec 2012, 1:02 pm

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Basically, you're an annoying idiotface nobody likes.


That's me! :lol:


As a kid I was definitely an extrovert, now I'm more of an ambivert. I'm loud and obnoxious in groups in which I feel comfortable, like my tutorials at school or at home but I can be really quiet and spacey ,especially in unstructured social situations because I feel awkward. Also I can't handle too much social interaction-I get social exhaustion if I don't have enough alone time -which is an introvert trait.



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15 Dec 2012, 1:11 pm

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Yeah, extrovert Aspies often come off as annoying, but I find myself unable to actually dislike them. They are the epitome of "active but odd"--will talk forever if you get them started about their favorite topics, will greet strangers and start conversations on just about anything with just about anyone. As children they may consider everyone their friend, by default. Adults will know everybody in the area, possibly by name; maybe even thousands of names if they have a good memory for names and faces. They will often be mistaken for (or also diagnosed with) hyperactive-type ADHD. They tend to be under-sensitive, and to seek out intense sensory experiences. Their stims are often quite energetic and noticeable. They are more obviously "weird" than introverts are, but "annoying weirdo" isn't the judgment everyone will make about them. Most of them will be known as eccentrics and oddballs, but it's not inevitable that people will dislike them. Some people find their honesty and enthusiasm very refreshing. The most important skill for an extrovert Aspie to learn is probably to find out when the other person no longer wants to interact, so that you don't hang around someone who wants to be alone.


I like your description. This is exactly what I was like as a child except for the under-sensitivity. I HATED and still hate crowds and noisy places but I would react by screaming repeatedly that I wanted to go home if my mom took me to a crowded festival, amusement park ect. or I would hum or sing to myself during class if it was too noisy. I still make noise to cover up noise which is a bad habit that makes me even more annoying to people and gets me in trouble. :lol:



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15 Dec 2012, 1:57 pm

I can be extroverted, if I'm with the right people. Then, I can be myself, and things will work on their own. With others, I can make an attempt at appearing extroverted. It's more of a process of imitation then. It's hit and miss....

I really don't think that Introversion and Extroversion are completely distinct and in opposition. They can exist within each other, and there's always the context of the moment or the day, isn't there? Atleast, for me.



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15 Dec 2012, 3:01 pm

Yep, that 50 year old could be me...I started thinking \i coudln't be aspie because of my extraverted behaviour, but as a kid i wasn't. It was LSD at age 21 I guess that propulsed me inot taling to strangers and so on. By the time I was 35 I had understood how people had bullied me at age 17 when I was still very shy, but laughed and giggled a lot for no reason in class, which made me the laughing stock, and i was considered an immature fool, they didn't know I was living a dysfuncialna family trauma adn had depressions of me being differ gay, etc, whcih I was coming slowly to terms with. At 16 I had susch a low selfesteem taht I send in an ID picture for a Boy of the year contest in a music magazine. My pers found the magazine and cut me out of it and posted me on the balckboard. I was the laughing stock and bullied for another 2 years, until I went into voluntary psychiatric treatment after having run a way from home.

The olde rI became and knew I would never have real friends, the more I burned bridges and do what I want, and as an artist I saw even more reasons for eccentric behaviour that was not going to be stopped. But even on the arts forum in Holland, artist make fun of me, because they say art is important not how an artist looks like.
Icannot live without dressing the way I doo, to most younger generations I am feraky and weird most probably, but I also dress provoatively to start debates on gender dressing, and fashion, and to break taboos. But, SOmetimes I tell myself, I am going to leave all that dressing behind, but I cannot, it is ME. I am Mister Gaga everyday.


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16 Dec 2012, 1:27 am

When I was 3 I'd just walk up to random adults and talk to them about Star Trek and space ships and submarines. My mom was so mad as I didn't see any danger in talking to strangers.

Even now, the rest of my family is all shy about asking for directions, asking for free stuff, and I'm the exception.

Like at times, I can use my "idiot extroversion" to my advantage. For example, I was at an estate sale. I had no money. So I just asked the people if I could have the items I wanted for free. I figured worst that happens is they say no, best that happens is I get the items. I got the items. Maybe they thought I was weird, but hey, I got a bicycle and a record player. At Burger King, instead of ordering a new Frostee for my sister, I was just like "Hey can you refill this" and then got a free Frostee. I can be very ballsy in certain instances where I see the consequences as little and the reward high.



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16 Dec 2012, 4:00 am

Its stupid to say someone with aspergers cannot be extraverted. Just imagine someone who is socially outgoing but says the wrong things all the time and can be annoying but doesnt realize when and keeps doing it.

Anyways I can be introverted or extraverted depending on my mood or situation.
If Im working on something I usually want to be alone.
But sometimes I like to do things like go to the bar and talk to everyone and do karaoke songs and party.
Ive noticed when Im outgoing I tend to attract certain people who are usually either laid back or people who have their own issues.
The other half of the people at the bar dont approch me and probablly think im weird.
I often wear fun costumes to the bar. Its a way I express myself and it also gets people to come up to me and start conversation.
Being outgoing when I want to is easy for me because I could care less what people think.


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16 Dec 2012, 5:46 am

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Fewer friends, more enemies, more girls call you a creep (not sure how it works for girls), more likely to get fired, more likely to get jailed for sexual harassment. I met a very extroverted aspie at an aspie group meeting who complained about getting fired for making lesbian jokes. He talked all the time and just seemed so clueless, even at the age of 50. I think I would make many mistakes too if I talked as much as he does.

I think being shy is an important coping mechanism. I think it prevents me from making costly mistakes that other aspies make regularly. My only experience of trying to treat my social anxiety with medication actually made my ASD symptoms worse. Although doctors think my social anxiety is "clinically significant" and needs treatment, I refuse. What's irrational fear for an NT is not irrational for an aspie, and psychiatrists are all clueless NT's. Being extroverted for an aspie is the kiss of death.

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My 'shyness' has always been a sensory problem. hen I was younger I didn't much care about people but I think I was under stimulated by the environment and people. Now everything is so overstimulating I can't even say a word. So I take medication and it makes me want to talk to people and I talk more, and I talk too loudly and I say stupid impulsive things. I really want to talk to people but I don't want to yell and say stupid things.

I can never win.

When I'm around people I know well I can be extroverted, and say stupid impulsive things. I also have a speech problem so sometimes it's better to say nothing. I don't think I can go back to that though. People now expect me to talk.

I wouldn't say I'm shy anymore. Just 'not bothered' to speak and can't get the words out clearly. But mostly I do talk, if it's about my interests, I can be a chatter box.

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I still make noise to cover up noise which is a bad habit that makes me even more annoying to people and gets me in trouble. :lol:

I do this too.

I'm ADHD-C so I can be hyperactive and what Callista described can fit my hyper states. I have awareness though, eventually...


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16 Dec 2012, 3:32 pm

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Actually I would want to say its not possible. Aspie traits by their definition cultivate introverts. Or not....?....


No.



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16 Dec 2012, 3:37 pm

I think that an extrovert Aspie is similar to a common NT extrovert - just with Aspie traits. Somebody who touches people, speaks loud, loves to laugh, is open-minded, even goes to parties, but does not know how to behave properly in the given situation - due to his/her AS. But I am no expert, haha :-)


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16 Dec 2012, 4:13 pm

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They literally don't exist.

Even if they often appeared outgoing, they would need time to recharge after prolonged socializing. Aka. they are introverted. This is because every aspie, and every introvert (neurotypical or not) has a less developed desensitization, which means that they don't have (as much) protection from stimuli.


If I understand what you're saying, I'm like this. My job requires that I do some socializing, but I'm just drained at the end of the day because I'm really faking it. My job is to accept payments at the front counter, so I can't avoid the public. However, I couldn't care less about someone's daughter's upcoming surgery or sharing whether I'm "ready for Christmas." It's just such BS and so phony. Now, I'm willing to talk with members of our small staff - sometimes too much, I'm sure. But I've known them for years, they know that I have AS, and I'm therefore comfortable with them. I don't think they'd ever confuse me with an extrovert, however, because I can go literally for days an engage in small talk at all.


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16 Dec 2012, 7:23 pm

I think people asperger's are social blind because they have a hard time reading cues from people. Maybe it is a right brain disorder like NVLD. NVLD is like asperger but it wrose because you missup on things.



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16 Dec 2012, 7:25 pm

I'm an extroverted Aspie, an ENTJ. :)

Extroversion does not mean being a sociable party animal, it means you prefer dealing with objective "outer world" facts and things rather than living inside your head. Darwin was not an Aspie, but he is a good example of a quiet, unsociable extrovert, He was an ESTJ according to Carl Jung. Einstein was an Aspie and almost certainly was an extrovert.


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16 Dec 2012, 7:27 pm

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Yeah, extrovert Aspies often come off as annoying, but I find myself unable to actually dislike them. They are the epitome of "active but odd"--will talk forever if you get them started about their favorite topics, will greet strangers and start conversations on just about anything with just about anyone. As children they may consider everyone their friend, by default. Adults will know everybody in the area, possibly by name; maybe even thousands of names if they have a good memory for names and faces. They will often be mistaken for (or also diagnosed with) hyperactive-type ADHD. They tend to be under-sensitive, and to seek out intense sensory experiences. Their stims are often quite energetic and noticeable. They are more obviously "weird" than introverts are, but "annoying weirdo" isn't the judgment everyone will make about them. Most of them will be known as eccentrics and oddballs, but it's not inevitable that people will dislike them. Some people find their honesty and enthusiasm very refreshing. The most important skill for an extrovert Aspie to learn is probably to find out when the other person no longer wants to interact, so that you don't hang around someone who wants to be alone.
Holy crap, Callista, get outta my head! 8O


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