Unable to respect unresonable rules ?

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I'm confused: Was it not me that first said: f**k stupid rules!?

Oh .... just re-read the thread .... my apologies!
Sometimes my working-memory plays tricks with me .....

So sorry... not my intention at all !

What do you mean?

Are we but animals that follow the rules for fear of being punished?

I'd rather get punished for breaking an unreasonable rule than rewarded for obeying it.

Me too ...
Nobody can punish me, if I truely believe I'm right!
... they can give me a fine, or lock me up ... but I am still right!

I face this a lot of the time in video games commonly when i pick a character nobody likes, they tell me to not play him and when i ask as to why they say that all they say is "He sucks" and then votekick me or something similar. It's fine. Didn't want to play with driftwood anyway.

I am like this.

Yeah. I hate punishments and don't want to face a consequence so I follow them. It's either follow them or get punished and some people are willing to get punished by breaking them. Rosa Parks for example and some homosexuals in Iran because they refuse to hide in the closet so they would rather be executed for being gay than being in the closest and not be able to live their lifestyle. Rosa parks decided to get arrested to stand up for herself because the law was so unfair that they had to give up their seats for white people.

As for the no smoking in the street law, I find that completely reasonable.

Not only is it disgusting walking through someone's cloud of smoke (and bad for my asthma), I also don't like how people often leave their cigarette remains all over the path where young children, or dogs might stick em in their mouth, or even step on a cigarette butt that hasn't been properly stomped out.

I watched as a man threw his cigarette into a trash can, which then caught on fire.

Your argument on how the smoke is 'diluted' down is also defunct, mainly because when someone is standing on the street smoking, they are in a close proximity to other people standing on the street, often times people are forced to inhale that awful smoke before it has a chance to dilute out into the air.

Rules exist, even ones people might find unreasonable, for the purpose of public safety.

If everyone disobeyed rules, then would many people stop at a crossing sign and let people cross the road? Would people still stop at a red light, even if there was no visible traffic or pedestrians?

Yes, many rules exist because people have proven themselves too stupid to use their own common sense, but that's no reason to disrespect something which is there to keep people safe.
Just my opinion, of course. I happen to be an avid rule follower, mainly because I'm paranoid of police confrontation and fines and such.

The real name of the game is fear and control. People fear those who are able to think for themselves and make their own decisions. Those who think for themselves are not likely to allow themselves to be controlled by others. Such persons are feared by the general population and considered dangerous. Making one's own decisions, as opposed to following the rest of the herd, tends to place one outside of the group (sheeple). The only law that one should follow is never to initiate force, or violence against others.

Not that I think people should be subjected to second-hand smoke, but...

Per pound, second-hand smoke is more toxic than first-hand -- but don't forget that a smoker inhales far more second-hand smoke than a non-smoker, and far more first-hand smoke than second-hand smoke. And that the toxins in the second hand smoke were also in the first-hand smoke it came from, it's just that some of the less toxic stuff has been removed. The point is, that by weight, second-hand smoke is more toxic, but the health risks to a smoker are still vastly greater than to non-smokers exposed to second-hand smoke.

That said, second-hand smoke is still toxic, and people not choosing to smoke shouldn't have to be around it. It just bugs me when people imply that being around a smoker is more dangerous than actually smoking, especially when the flaws in that assumption should be obvious.

I find that most laws are pretty logical because there are always reasons behind them and I find them to be reasonable. I also noticed they are black and white and the reason why they are is because it avoids confusion and it makes it easier. Sure people have gotten away with breaking a traffic law so the officer didn't write them a ticket due to a tragic situation like woman in labor. I did read a story about it online once from cafemom and the officer ended up taking the couple to the hospital after he pulled them over and no ticket was written. Sure what they did was still wrong and when I was in labor, my uncle didn't drive like a maniac even though he wanted to speed and get there in a hurry and I told him no he has to follow the law and keep going the speed limit or we can crash or get pulled over.

But there are such things as dumb laws no one follows them, not even the state or the officers. Plus some of them make no sense because why would someone ride with a sheep in their cab or tie an alligator to the fire hydrant? That is why they are dumb laws because they make no sense. In Spokane, WA you can't buy a TV on Sunday but I doubt anyone follows that law.

But yeah we do make laws because people are too stupid to use their common sense so we have to make them to get them to use it. Montana used to not have a law for wearing seat belts. Well right after we moved there, they finally made a law about it because people were not wearing them and it will save more lives if seat belts are worn. They still have no law for wearing helmets but my brother wore one anyway and crashed his scooter and lives because the helmet saved his life. They said if he didn't have one one, he would have been dead.
there are people that will follow the laws to avoid getting punished or from getting a ticket and there are people that follow laws because they know the safety and want to be safe and for others too. Like a parent may keep their child in a car seat because they care about their safety, not because it's the law. Someone may stop at a stop sign because they know there could be a blind spot and a car could come if they run the stop sign because they didn't see them before even though they looked, not because it's the law. And I do find it a shame that we have to make laws to get people to be safe because they don't know their own limitations or don't have any common sense. For one, our state has had to ban cell phones and texting while driving because people were unable to put the darn thing down because they thought they can multitask and they would end up crashing instead. So to protect them and other people, they had to outlaw it. Not all states have that law but just because the don't doesn't mean you should text and drive or talk on the phone while driving because it's not safe. I think we all expect people to use their common sense and when so many fail to, they finally make a law for something.

I think people who don't follow laws or rules have some sort of mental disorder such as ODD. I know not everyone who doesn't follow a rule or if they break a law means they have it. The ones who are extreme with it probably have it, perhaps conduct disorder too because they tend to keep breaking the laws and getting in trouble for it and they have been in and out of jail for it even faced charges and they still do it.

I don't agree with every rule, but I usually follow them because I'm not willing to deal with the punishments.

If the punishment isn't that bad, though, I might ignore the rule. When I was in middle and high school, we had to take a physical education class. For the P.E. classes, we were supposed to wear shorts. I was extremely uncomfortable wearing shorts (mentally, not physically), and it disgusted me that I was expected to do so. I wore pants every day. I was ok with losing a few points for not following the P.E. dress code. I still passed because I participated.

Absolutely agree! Maybe some rules seem illogical to some people despite being quite reasonable. We do not always know better than the people who created generally accepted rules and I think we should not assume we do.

This. Many of them do make sense, but there are so many that are just ludicrous.
The biggest problem I have with them is why some see breaking the ones that don't make sense as equal offenses to breaking the ones that really matter? Also the punishment is all whack; in my country - that is considered a paragon of equality - I've seen cases where rapists gets much less jail-time/fines than a person file-sharing.

(And about file-sharing, no matter what ones opinion is on that, everyone should be able to see what crime is worse there. If there are any rapist-apologists on this forum I'd rather not you said anything because I'd like to keep some of my hope in humanity.)