Do you ever feel that your feelings/emotions aren't real?

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15 Feb 2013, 12:06 pm

Does anyone else here have a lot of trouble with identifying their own feelings and deciding whether they’re real – whether they’re what you’re really feeling, and would be valid in other people’s eyes?

I do. I feel like I can’t take myself seriously, and always feel that others won’t take me seriously – which has been true in the past when I’ve been unable to really express myself. At the moment I’ve just kind of completely shut down in my life and I have a family member telling me that she knows that this is because of something along the lines of anxiety/stress/depression and not just laziness or stupidity. But I don’t know. I’ve half convinced myself that I don’t feel as strongly as others; that I’m just a thousand times worse at handling what I do feel. That I just shut down for no reason.

I’m getting help soon but I’m almost sure already that I won’t be taken seriously and just end up feeling even more confused and rubbish about myself. Am I overthinking this? On one hand if they decide that what’s going on isn’t valid I’ll be left totally confused and hopeless; if they decide it is, I’ll end up feeling fake. Has anyone felt like this before? I’m sorry if it doesn’t make much sense.



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15 Feb 2013, 12:28 pm

I have a hard time identifying what I'm feeling too, there's a definite disconnect there. The technical term for it is alexithymia. The difference for me is that instead of looking for my experiences to be valid to other people, I just assume I'm not going to be understood and don't even try to express it. I've probably shot myself in the foot a lot because of that.



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15 Feb 2013, 12:31 pm

I often fear my own emotions and don't trust them; this has costed me many relationship and professional opportunities; if you can't trust yourself then you can't trust anything or anyone.



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15 Feb 2013, 12:33 pm

Yes, I think so anyway. Feelings are hard for me to label properly, I miss them entirely sometimes even though they're there. so, I seem to not be able to properly talk about them, in a way that gets the meaning across to another person. Because of this when I try to think about them they can feel fake and like I should discredit or distrust my assessment of them. Is this what you mean at all?
Edited to add, that this has really messed up my life in a lot of ways and still causes trouble every day.



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15 Feb 2013, 12:57 pm

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When, in our evolutionary past, humans gained conscious access to the right hemisphere of the brain (the source of imagination), complex language with a past, present and future tense could develop.8 Only with the arrival of complex language could we escape from the present and describe things that were not there in front of us. It was this that opened up the possibility of universal reasoning: discovering the underlying patterns and rules by which matter and life operate. Only then could we begin to develop and test hypotheses and start to unravel the cause-and-effect sequences in the world around us — water enables plants to grow; sunshine facilitates growth; there is a rhythm to the seasons, and so on.

Although missing the template for parallel processing, the more intelligent a person with caetextia is, the more likely they are to have access to universal reason. They may then be able to use thought to reflect back consciously on whatever has happened and construct another perspective. But this is a slow process and, without instant access to their own reinforcement history, their sense of self will be impaired – that sense of ‘I-ness’, of being separate from whatever context we happen to be in. People on the autistic spectrum, lacking this ability, may struggle to develop a sense of self and typically feel insecure in a world where everything is constantly changing. It may be this impoverished sense of self that keeps driving the more creative people with this condition to find out who they are, trying out roles to play in life and reinventing themselves, etc. Since scientists began studying Asperger’s syndrome in the 1940s, it has been continuously remarked upon that sufferers lack a sense of who they are. “I feel like an outsider, and I always will feel like one,” the autistic writer Anne Rice once said, in an internet interview. “I’ve always felt that I wasn’t a member of any particular group.”9

Perhaps because they feel like outsiders, people with caetextia are often attracted to professions that give them an off-the-peg identity, very often one that comes with a uniform that announces that identity, such as army fatigues, police uniforms, church regalia or even the more eccentric costumes of ‘artists’ and ‘intellectuals’. Uniforms confer status. Professions that require uniforms also tend to have more tightly defined structures – rules, rituals and coded modes of speech – all of which render life more predictable and make people with caetextia feel more secure. In a well-ordered life, the sensory overload feared by autistic people can better be kept at bay.


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their sense of self will be impaired – that sense of ‘I-ness’, of being separate from whatever context we happen to be in. People on the autistic spectrum, lacking this ability, may struggle to develop a sense of self and typically feel insecure in a world where everything is constantly changing.

It might be this lack of this sense of "I-ness" that you are experiencing. I supposed "a sense of self" includes being completely aware what you are feeling and what you are not.



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15 Feb 2013, 12:59 pm

I suppose more so now than before. I've been feeling like... I'm not sure how to explain it, but disconnected maybe, although in my case I think it is because of too much stress and overloading...


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15 Feb 2013, 1:16 pm

For me, trying to describe what I am feeling in words makes the emotion seem superficial and silly and then I don't know if I am feeling anything at all. I would rather keep all my feelings trapped inside a wordless universe where they are real and beautiful.



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15 Feb 2013, 1:52 pm

Yes, and sometimes I do not have any emotion/feeling when I am "supposed to." If it's not there, it's just not. Then, as Marybird so eloquently wrote, certain feelings are so private they are indescribable.









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15 Feb 2013, 2:50 pm

Yes. This sounds sort of like what my deal is that has lead me to consider disorders like AS and a few others in the first place.

My "self'' is...nor right.

This to me is better than taking your own feelings so seriously that you cannot possibly consider than anything could be worse than what you're currently feeling, but it can be very strange and it's caused me long term issues with my identity. And many aspects of my identity, took my YEARS to really accept that my own sexual orientation was even something "l" was feeling.

Also because of this l'm always re-evaluating relationships with people, even after l've been as "real" as l can be with them, l start to feel like they don't know "me" because there is no real me, so the feelings l've had for them can't be real either. This is why l have zero long term friendships.

it's cyclical for me...l've been repeating this since adolescence, l'm not sure what to tel you OP. You should still seek help for your problems but in my experiences, my sense of self has been flexible and some of the feelings l've had than l thought were real have been very transient.


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15 Feb 2013, 2:54 pm

Nott exactly, though similar. I can usually identify my emotions, my problem is that if I know what's wrong and it's in my head I feel like I should be able to fix it, and when i can't it leaves me feeling guilty and incompetent.



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15 Feb 2013, 3:08 pm

I'm not sure. I was in a relationship once that I was very in love with the person, then periodically for no known reason I would question whether I really was and what love meant and I felt sort of blank and cold about the person, as if they didn't matter. The rest of the time I would be so in love with them and so sure of it, but then this feeling would keep rearing up. I don't know if that's the same thing.

Also, when things become overwhelming, to a ridiculous point, like there are too many things to stress about, sometimes when this happens, I sort of go into this internal hysteria where I want to laugh at it all because it seems too ludicrous and that I switch off all feelings about it because it's too big for me to deal with.

Don't know if any of that is related to alexithemia.


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15 Feb 2013, 3:33 pm

ForestRose wrote:
Does anyone else here have a lot of trouble with identifying their own feelings and deciding whether they’re real – whether they’re what you’re really feeling, and would be valid in other people’s eyes?

No, I have always been aware of what I feel. The only problem I have sometimes is to identify the exact level of feeling (like the subtler differences between the same spectrum of feelings; like joyous, happy, glad etc are all part of the happy part of the emotional spectrum and sometimes I have to think about it to find the exact word to describe it as accurately as possible). I always know they're real.
I also know they might not be valid to other people, because they can't always identify with what I feel or why, but that doesn't make it less valid, it's just a matter of not understanding our differences.


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Since scientists began studying Asperger’s syndrome in the 1940s, it has been continuously remarked upon that sufferers lack a sense of who they are. “I feel like an outsider, and I always will feel like one,” the autistic writer Anne Rice once said, in an internet interview. “I’ve always felt that I wasn’t a member of any particular group.”


But feeling like an outsider and feel you're not part of any group simply means you don't belong to them, don't feel at home with them. It has no bearing on your sense of self. I'd almost say on the contrary. You know who you are, and most other people are so far removed from how you are, you don't really identify with them.


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15 Feb 2013, 3:57 pm

A former female friend really was spot on (I used to help her deal with some emotional stuff). She said that I was more insightful than anyone she had ever met in what I expressed through words. But she also remarked on how I seemed out of touch with humanity. That kinda made me sad, because it's so true.


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15 Feb 2013, 4:08 pm

Assembly wrote:
A former female friend really was spot on (I used to help her deal with some emotional stuff). She said that I was more insightful than anyone she had ever met in what I expressed through words.


I've been called very reflective by some people. Maybe it comes with the territory of always spending time in our own minds? It's also somewhat typical (or at least more typical) of people who have been tried in life and people who aren't mainstream.


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15 Feb 2013, 4:24 pm

I've been feeling increasingly apathetic. I still act like I have emotions, though.

I've also been very self-aware emotionally/mentally for as long as I can remember. I didn't think that was an AS thing.


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15 Feb 2013, 4:36 pm

Assembly wrote:
A former female friend really was spot on (I used to help her deal with some emotional stuff). She said that I was more insightful than anyone she had ever met in what I expressed through words. But she also remarked on how I seemed out of touch with humanity. That kinda made me sad, because it's so true.


l've been told similar things and feel the same way about myself.

l think a degree of detatchhment is required to be truly insightful.

Types who consider themselves "empathetic" but who never take the time to step back and watch people from afar are much less insightful than they think they are IME. They may understand "feelings' more, not the same thing and the two get lumped in together.

But OFC when you do completely detached you are only getting closer to losing touch or even being able to express the insight that you do have.


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