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JennBead
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23 Feb 2013, 2:48 am

Hi, I'm new. I have never been diagnosed. So far, from all my readings in regards to the "myth" about people with AS having a lack of imagination seems a bit odd (where did the myth come from? I have to wonder). It seems like no one person admits that he/she has trouble with imagination.

I have trouble imaging the follow? How many of you are with me?
Here it goes...
1. Imagine a room
2. Imagine three chairs in the room
3. Imagine two people sitting in two of the chairs
4. Imagine yourself sitting in the last chair

I totally could not do #4 after so many tries, and felt frustrated trying. Can you?
I'd like to know
1. Is there anyone out there who could do all four? Are you a diagnosed AS or otherwise?
2. If you can't do all four, at what step did you fail?

Ask your friends (AS or not) to try it and I'd appreciate it if you'd let me know.
thanks,
Jenn
p.s. Thanks for the replies. Looks like I need to clarify. What I could not do is to place myself in the room as a first person. The entire room seems to be "stuck" in front of me so I can't get in. So there is no one out there like this?? ;-(



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23 Feb 2013, 2:56 am

I just picture myself sitting in the last chair and I have AS.


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23 Feb 2013, 3:08 am

To be honest I'm not sure what imagining things is like. It might sound really weird but what's it like to imagine something? Do you see a clear picture of something in your head? Is that what imagining something is? For me it's really vague. It's like the picture's faded. It's really difficult to explain but when I try to imagine something (the room for example) I'm not sure I "see" it. I try to imagine it and I think "okay, this is a room and those are three chairs" but it's not like the picture's clear or anything. When I tried to imagine two people sitting in two of the chairs I didn't really see the people. I decided that two people were sitting in the two chairs to the left but I don't know what they looked like. Also, I found it difficult to imagine myself sitting in the last chair. I really wish I could explain what I mean because I really want to know if I imagine things the same way as other people. Do you understand any of the things I'm trying to explain? Sorry if it's all really messy and incoherent.

I'm not diagnosed yet. All the psychologists I've met think I've got AS and I'm waiting for an assessment. Personally I'm not sure if I have it or not.

EDIT: I should add that I'm quite bad a visualizing things in general. I believe I think in words. That's probably why I talk to myself a lot and when I for example imagine future conversations with people I go through the conversations out loud instead of visualizing them.



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23 Feb 2013, 3:46 am

I can easily imagine myself in that room, no problem. But I find your post very interesting nontheless. I wonder if your difficulty in this area has anything to do with AS, or if it's something completely different. It seems that your visual-spatial reasoning is severely limited or impaired.



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23 Feb 2013, 4:13 am

Easy.


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23 Feb 2013, 4:15 am

I can do it all. What exactly did you mean by "imagine yourself", though? Third person or first person? I mean, I can do both, but I'm still curious.


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23 Feb 2013, 4:22 am

JennBead wrote:
Hi, I'm new. I have never been diagnosed. So far, from all my readings in regards to the "myth" about people with AS having a lack of imagination seems a bit odd (where did the myth come from? I have to wonder). It seems like no one person admits that he/she has trouble with imagination.

I have trouble imaging the follow? How many of you are with me?
Here it goes...
1. Imagine a room
2. Imagine three chairs in the room
3. Imagine two people sitting in two of the chairs
4. Imagine yourself sitting in the last chair

I totally could not do #4 after so many tries, and felt frustrated trying. Can you?
I'd like to know
1. Is there anyone out there who could do all four? Are you a diagnosed AS or otherwise?
2. If you can't do all four, at what step did you fail?0.
...


Ask your friends (AS or not) to try it and I'd appreciate it if you'd let me know.
thanks,
Jenn



i can imagine everything apart from the people, but i have a problem with faces, i can always imagine objects but never people. :)



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23 Feb 2013, 4:23 am

Yuugiri wrote:
I can do it all. What exactly did you mean by "imagine yourself", though? Third person or first person? I mean, I can do both, but I'm still curious.


I can only do first person.



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23 Feb 2013, 4:23 am

franknfurter wrote:
JennBead wrote:
Hi, I'm new. I have never been diagnosed. So far, from all my readings in regards to the "myth" about people with AS having a lack of imagination seems a bit odd (where did the myth come from? I have to wonder). It seems like no one person admits that he/she has trouble with imagination.

I have trouble imaging the follow? How many of you are with me?
Here it goes...
1. Imagine a room
2. Imagine three chairs in the room
3. Imagine two people sitting in two of the chairs
4. Imagine yourself sitting in the last chair

I totally could not do #4 after so many tries, and felt frustrated trying. Can you?
I'd like to know
1. Is there anyone out there who could do all four? Are you a diagnosed AS or otherwise?
2. If you can't do all four, at what step did you fail?0.
...


Ask your friends (AS or not) to try it and I'd appreciate it if you'd let me know.
thanks,
Jenn



i can imagine everything apart from the people, but i have a problem with faces, i can always imagine objects but never people. :)



also i cant imagine myself, if you mean looking at myself sitting on a chair that is, i can imagine myself looking out on the room while on a chair.



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23 Feb 2013, 4:31 am

I can visualize the room, the three chairs, two other people (nondescript people, although I suppose I could pick any two people I know), and then myself. I can view the room from any point in the room and even from outside the room, with or without the walls blocking my line of sight. I can visualize myself in first or third person. I can add as much detail as I want and maintain it. play it like a video, rewind it, fast forward it, etc.

I have no idea why these people are sitting in the room, though.

I am diagnosed.



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23 Feb 2013, 4:33 am

Verdandi wrote:
I can visualize the room, the three chairs, two other people (nondescript people, although I suppose I could pick any two people I know), and then myself. I can view the room from any point in the room and even from outside the room, with or without the walls blocking my line of sight. I can visualize myself in first or third person. I can add as much detail as I want and maintain it. play it like a video, rewind it, fast forward it, etc.

I have no idea why these people are sitting in the room, though.

I am diagnosed.


Seriously, wow. That must be cool. Wish I could do that. What the heck is wrong with my imagination?



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23 Feb 2013, 4:34 am

Verdandi wrote:
I can visualize the room, the three chairs, two other people (nondescript people, although I suppose I could pick any two people I know), and then myself. I can view the room from any point in the room and even from outside the room, with or without the walls blocking my line of sight. I can visualize myself in first or third person. I can add as much detail as I want and maintain it. play it like a video, rewind it, fast forward it, etc.

I have no idea why these people are sitting in the room, though.

I am diagnosed.



thats cool, i wish my imagination was as detailed, must be fun. :D



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23 Feb 2013, 4:41 am

rebbieh wrote:
Seriously, wow. That must be cool. Wish I could do that. What the heck is wrong with my imagination?


I am not sure it is specifically imagination. I just tend to think in visual-spatial ways, and it is easy for me to visualize things. I think imagination is something a bit different, but is conflated with visualization.

@franknfurter

It is fun. :) On the other hand, it took me years of GMing roleplaying games before someone told me that not everyone can visualize the action like I could and that I should use maps and figures or other props to minimize conflict. I thought everyone could do it.



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23 Feb 2013, 9:31 am

Many people on this site talk about being able to 'see a whole car engine, and all of its workings" in their mind's eye.

I thought aspies were supposed to be too much into their own heads with too much daydreaming and imagination. Though we may be weak on social imagination.
That was a big part of why I was driven to seek a diagnosis- getting crap about daydreaming too much as a child.

About that excercies: okay - imagine a room, three chairs, two are occupied, then I enter the room and park my ass on the third chair ...

Is THAT it?

Is that all we have to do?

Whats hard about that?

I must be missing something.



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23 Feb 2013, 9:46 am

Easy. I would have preferred more explicit chair arrangement, e.g. in a line facing sideways or in a line facing the back of each other chair or a chair facing the other two chairs or all three chairs facing towards a centre point etc.


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23 Feb 2013, 10:26 am

JennBead wrote:
I have trouble imaging the follow? How many of you are with me?
Here it goes...
1. Imagine a room
2. Imagine three chairs in the room
3. Imagine two people sitting in two of the chairs
4. Imagine yourself sitting in the last chair

I totally could not do #4 after so many tries, and felt frustrated trying. Can you?
I'd like to know
1. Is there anyone out there who could do all four? Are you a diagnosed AS or otherwise?
2. If you can't do all four, at what step did you fail?


I can do all of the above. Although it's much easier for me to imagine my perspective being from the third chair than it is imagining looking at myself in the chair. I have trouble remembering what I look like honestly.
I'd say my imagination is odd, but definitely not lacking.